Update on Rose

Gassin's finest · Oct 28, 2020

He should just retire, save himself a lot of grief.

Trix · Oct 28, 2020

I think most of his ego issues come from jealousy and resentment of Walker getting his move to City.

Demanding a massive new contract when a similar move never materialised for him, and on the back of being out for ages put Levy's back up and meant he was stuck on those wages ever since. Then all the press stuff when he couldn't get his own way have added to his decline.

The one thing no one can criticise Levy for is how he's treated our top performers, as far as renewal of contracts are concerned. Yet Danny is where he is. Sooner he goes now the better, and I'll for one not be wishing him the best when he finally fucks off.

Gilzeanking · Oct 28, 2020

So easy in situation like this to think of Danny as a sad case .

It should be remembered that he has had a brilliant footie career in the front rank of players....playing for England etc . Plus he is sitting on mountainous amounts of money . At 30 he has a wonderful, secure, life ahead .

Is there anyone here who wouldn't swap ?

Hakkz · Oct 28, 2020

Put him on triple training sessions on his own.

spursfan77 · Oct 28, 2020

FibreOpticJesus · Oct 28, 2020

MR_BEN said:
He has said a couple of times that he cannot wait to retire.

I don’t blame him for holding out for the value of his contract, would have been better if they had arranged this pre-transfer window though, a bale type deal. His new club pay X, and we top it up to his full salary.

Not many takers. Didn’t he turn down Watford at the last minute? Unfortunately he created his own problems.

The Doc · Oct 28, 2020

Trix said:
I think most of his ego issues come from jealousy and resentment of Walker getting his move to City.

Demanding a massive new contract when a similar move never materialised for him, and on the back of being out for ages put Levy's back up and meant he was stuck on those wages ever since. Then all the press stuff when he couldn't get his own way have added to his decline.

The one thing no one can criticise Levy for is how he's treated our top performers, as far as renewal of contracts are concerned. Yet Danny is where he is. Sooner he goes now the better, and I'll for one not be wishing him the best when he finally fucks off.

Sad to hear, but accept you probably know more than I do re: background. Did City and Utd both bid for him the summer we sold Walker, or was it just paper talk? Think Dier was linked too that window (to Utd)?

midspur · Oct 28, 2020

spursfan77 said:
Who?

Google him.

Everlasting Seconds · Oct 28, 2020

I wonder have many of our newest fans have a need to google who Danny Rose is.
Shut up @midspur you beat me to it.

Honestly, I think Rose is managing his career poorly, however he has a contract and is entitled to make demands according to it. Personally I'd probably compromise, but he doesn't have to. He is just stupid not to.

newbie · Oct 28, 2020

tiger666 said:
He has a contract, he's perfectly entititled to be paid in full for it.

why should he be paid early? so he can then go elsewhere and get a new contact whilst being paid by spurs!
he has to be reasonable!
Spurs have paid him whilst he was injured.
His been a good player but not for a few years and his also been a dick!

Locotoro · Oct 28, 2020

rupsmith said:
I'm really not sure why Danny gets his back up so quickly. It really seems that there are larger socio-cultural matters that don't sit well with him and it seems to manifest itself into highly sensitive, quickly antagonistic reactions that people will quickly and dismissively put in a "whinger with lots of baggage" bucket. I remember that meeting he called with Jose in that documentary and how he approached the conversation. Jose Mourinho is not someone you want to mess with. Either jump on his bandwagon with obsessive focus or get dumped to the side. Clearly the outcome with Danny and seemingly - and increasingly - the case with Dele.

From my experience, Danny has always been about Danny. I always found him to be very narrow-sighted and somewhat selfish. I don't necessarily think it was malicious selfishness but he seems incapable of having a sense of perspective and yes even from 10 years ago seemed to be hard done by.

Everlasting Seconds · Oct 28, 2020

newbie said:
Spurs have paid him whilst he was injured.

The insurance company probably has, to be honest.

tiger666 · Oct 28, 2020

newbie said:
why should he be paid early? so he can then go elsewhere and get a new contact whilst being paid by spurs!
he has to be reasonable!
Spurs have paid him whilst he was injured.
His been a good player but not for a few years and his also been a dick!

I'm not saying he should be paid early. I'm saying he's entitled to the full pay of his contract. From the article:

A Tottenham source has told Football Insider that Rose is set to resist a payout on reduced terms.

He wants the full £2.5million-plus remaining on his deal, which runs until June of next year.

He's fully entitled to take that stance, I would do the same.

thecook · Oct 28, 2020

newbie said:
why should he be paid early? so he can then go elsewhere and get a new contact whilst being paid by spurs!
he has to be reasonable!
Spurs have paid him whilst he was injured.
His been a good player but not for a few years and his also been a dick!

That's not how it works.

He will only get fully paid up if he does not sign another contract with another club. It isn't just a case of here's a cheque for what we own you until the end of your contract. These payments are still made in installments and subject to a compromise agreement between him and the club that will include many clauses about what he can and can't do if he wants to be paid in full.

Rememeber when we paid Poch off there were clauses about when he could take a new job? It's similar to that.

mark87 · Oct 28, 2020

Could be worse, he could be on 350k a week with his contract running out next summer...

cliff jones · Oct 28, 2020

ginola007 said:
I think he wants his £2.5M then join the MLS or free to go to China in june, only 8 months from now.

he might like a pound note who doesn’t but I’d be amazed if he went to or could handle China

Lighty64 · Oct 28, 2020

Trix said:
I think most of his ego issues come from jealousy and resentment of Walker getting his move to City.

Demanding a massive new contract when a similar move never materialised for him, and on the back of being out for ages put Levy's back up and meant he was stuck on those wages ever since. Then all the press stuff when he couldn't get his own way have added to his decline.

The one thing no one can criticise Levy for is how he's treated our top performers, as far as renewal of contracts are concerned. Yet Danny is where he is. Sooner he goes now the better, and I'll for one not be wishing him the best when he finally fucks off.

totally agree.

I know he was injured the last 4 months of our FINALE season at WHL, but when walking out the tunnel after the game with Walker by his side he looked well and truly pissed. soon after we had the snide digs about google, wages, and blah blah blah but never popular. a little later it broke that he was suffering from depression, and would be interested in a move closer to home.

only last season he said in another interview he would be willing to see his contract out, and that looks like happening. If he really wants out to play football he has to agree either agree on a deal that makes him a free agent or sit it out. why should we pay him off for the rest of his contract if he might even get another club quickly and even play against us.

he has been with us for 13 yrs and only played 156 matches, and to be totally honest has only had 2-3 really good seasons and still missed big parts of those

UbeAstard · Oct 28, 2020

rossdapep said:
If he had any self awareness he'll regret ever doing that interview in 2017.

He was injured at the time and it had been about 6 months since we'd last seen him on the pitch, which means it's now over 3 years ago since he was at the peak of his powers. He's lost an absolute ton of credibility as a player because he's not got close to those levels since and even a loan spell at Newcastle proved fruitless.

He needed to understand that his stock dramatically dropped. He'll probably blame Jose or the club in some way but at the end of the day if he hadn't have spoken out against the club publically when it was completely unnecessary to do so, he would have kept his credibility at the club and maybe wouldn't have been cast aside.

I wouldn't be surprised if Jose already had his mind made up about Rose before he even came to the club, you don't want a player around who can potentially run to the papers the minute you upset him......which Danny took hook, line and sinker.

As a player and professional on the pitch I really liked him and think he was one of the best we had at his best, he's also been with the club for sooo long which should be admired but he's left a massive stain on it by not being able to know when to speak out and how to do it.

Ive disagreed as the interview if I remember he said some inadvisable things but it was no real big deal to me. I dont think JM should or would have a negative view of Rose because of that, I believe everyone likely had a clean slate and Danny did get to play games and it was what he did on the pitch that determined the game time he was getting. I believe he did think he was better than his performances and when he confronted JM about his lack of game time then stormed off that he was going to confront Levy too, he shot himself in the foot. He has had plently of time to realize he was wrong and to apologise and ask for another chance (I think he would have been given it) but he's too up himself to do that. That is my opinion, I could be wrong but I think you are wrong.

rossdapep · Oct 28, 2020

UbeAstard said:
Ive disagreed as the interview if I remember he said some inadvisable things but it was no real big deal to me. I dont think JM should or would have a negative view of Rose because of that, I believe everyone likely had a clean slate and Danny did get to play games and it was what he did on the pitch that determined the game time he was getting. I believe he did think he was better than his performances and when he confronted JM about his lack of game time then stormed off that he was going to confront Levy too, he shot himself in the foot. He has had plently of time to realize he was wrong and to apologise and ask for another chance (I think he would have been given it) but he's too up himself to do that. That is my opinion, I could be wrong but I think you are wrong.

I do think arranging an interview with a media outlet in which you criticise the club behind the club's back is an issue. Especially when you have been out injured. Morale at the club at the time was very good and there was no need to rock the boat.

I'm a coach and I'd be very wary of any player who is happy to undermine the club, I wouldn't trust them as it feels like they are looking out for themselves. As @Trix points out, he seemed to see how good Walker had it and was angling for the same.

newbie · Oct 28, 2020

tiger666 said:
I'm not saying he should be paid early. I'm saying he's entitled to the full pay of his contract. From the article:

He's fully entitled to take that stance, I would do the same.

i am not saying his not entilted to it but if he wants it then he cant play till his contracts up you cant have it both ways, get the money and have another paid job!

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