Jose Mourinho

I went on the record in the general football thread before Christmas saying he would be sacked before Arteta was and I was slated.

Im getting more confident about it by the week.

HodisGawd said:

He may have won two cups and finishes second at Man U, but that was not enough and he was sacked and considered universally as a failure. That's because those trophies mean nothing at Man U because they are a big club. It's all about the league and the Champs League and that should be the same for us. If he wins the Carabao but fails to qualify for the CLUB, that is a failure in my book.

We need to qualify for the CL, that is imperative, and right now it looks unlikely.

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I do wonder about this. We keep being told that his time at ManU was actually a success because he won two trophies and came second. Now replace ManU with Juve, Barca, Bayern - would that be success for any of them and therefore was Jose's time a success?

handsomecake said:

I went on the record in the general football thread before Christmas saying he would be sacked before Arteta was and I was slated.

Im getting more confident about it by the week.

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Well done?

I read an article by Jose where he said " the biggest and strongest do not always win it is the ones that are able to adapt and evolve that win in the end " not the exact words but you get the drift . It seems clear to me that Jose should take heed his own words we are not adapting or evolving we are going back to what most of us who love the game and spurs especially see as old style football that suits a manager like Pulis / Alydyce / Mc Carthy / . If we won the league / the cup / the league cup / the europa cup / playing Mourhino ball I am afraid it would not be good enough for me . I have come to the conclusion that winning is not everything but the way you play is .
I did not want Jose ( the deciding factor being when he tried to gouge that Barcelona guys eye out ) but even with all this I decided as a spurs fan first to give him my full support . But nothing goes on forever and for me his time is up .
I just want to enjoy what I am watching win lose or draw .but this is like a slow death where you know its coming and you know how its going to end . It will be kinder for him for the fans and for the players to get rid .
What makes it worse is my nostalgia button keeps reminding me of Rowe / Nicholson / Burkenshaw / Venables / Redknapp / Poch / and then I think of Jose and I want to turn the off button .

I have always backed Jose since being appointed, I was actually excited when we brought him in, genuinely believing that during his break from the game and with his new backroom team he may have adapted his approach to the game and we were going to see some innovative tactics.

ITK suggested that he would play this new lopsided formation which was spot on, unfortunately it just hasn't worked out for him. You just cannot have one game plan and if that fails nothing to fall back on.

I do believe that our squad needs some serious investment as I don't think outside Hojbjerg, Ndombele, Lo Celso (frustrating injuries but clearly talented), Reguilon, Son and Kane that any of the other players are good enough if we wish to be challenging for titles. However, especially this season, the squad we have should 100% be getting top 4. I refuse to accept the likes of Leicester, West Ham, Everton & Villa (both can go above us with game in hand) are better than us. I also cannot watch the football we are playing for much longer, it is absolutely embarrassing.

Yesterday was a new low, you can tell he has lost several of the players and without Kane on the pitch leading by example, they looked ridiculously flat. Dele and Serge are popular members of the squad I feel if you watch the documentary and if they aren't happy that will be having a massive impact on the squad. Dele is big mates with Dier and Aurier with Ndombele, Sissoko, Sonny etc and will 100% be having conversations on the side. I have been in enough teams growing up to know that when some of the big personalities aren't happy, it spreads like wildfire throughout the team and it isn't long before you've lost the whole squad.

I was happy for him to see the season out, try and win us a trophy or two and then replace him with a younger manager with some new ideas but a bit like Poch towards the end of his rein, there is a negative feeling around the club.

I guess he has two options, change his style and let the players express themselves more or stick to his stubborn ways and find himself searching for another job.

I am not pinning all the blame on Jose, we are in extremely difficult financial circumstances but it was clear we needed a World Class CB which would have massively improved us and we failed to bring one in. We need a player like Sabitzer and also a striker like Ings who can come in when Kane is injured or play with him as Jose is clearly not entirely happy with Vinicius.

Whatever happens, I cannot believe I am saying this but I believe his days are numbered and a loss to Chelsea next could be curtains for him. When teams like Brighton outplay you like they did last night so comprehensively it has to be time for a rethink.

KingKay said:

Well done?

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patently obvious it’s going to end in tears.

handsomecake said:

I went on the record in the general football thread before Christmas saying he would be sacked before Arteta was and I was slated.

Im getting more confident about it by the week.

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handsomecake said:

patently obvious it’s going to end in tears.

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Didn't want him in and despite an improvement during last season after Poch was sacked and a good start to this season it's starting to show that he isn't as good a manager as he used to be.

If the league form continues to the end of the season he has to go.

Vinny_Sammways_left_peg said:

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This is part of the problem with society today. People being happy if we lose so they can be proved right. Don’t get it personally, me being right or wrong is secondary to the success of the club.

Surely this is a massive fortnight coming up... Chelsea, WBA, Everton (fa cup) Man City away.

waking up this morning it’s very hard to see us not picking up much more than three points in the next week. very difficult to see us get anything from the Chelsea, Everton, Man city games. Surely no matter what form we are in we have enough to beat a dreadful WBA team at home!

Surely Jose has to go back to basics for those three games litterally pack the defence and try and nick something on the break. Like we did earlier in season when we played Chelsea and City.

spursfan77 said:

I can because we don’t move players on when their time with us has expired. How the fuck we kept players around last summer like Lamela and Lucas and not bought Eze when we’d been tracking him for 18 months just sums us up.

The whole club is just stale. I didn’t rate Paul Mitchell but since he left we have gone backwards in the transfer market. Mourinho tried, on a smaller budget, to begin to change things in the summer but it will take more than one window. While the football is terrible nobody has the patience for that. Mourinho needs to get us playing better.

If Mourinho goes in the summer, expect to see Kane ask to go.

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Some of that I agree with but I still think the summer window was good. Surely Regi and PEH have to be considered successful transfers. Vini I think for what we have outlayed so far is a free hit. I think there is a player in there if he gets the opportunities. Bale while expensive is a player 95% of fans wanted. So only Docherty has this far been a failure as far as we've bought him and it's not working.

nedley said:

Great Post.

I've gone Jose Out now because I'm not sure what people are going to expect over the next few games. It ain't going to change anything.

In fact in mirrors the Poch ending, when Brighton was the right time to call it a day and Levy imo dragged it out for a handful of games.

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@sak11

Can I ask politely what bit you disagree with?

Cheers.

HodisGawd said:

He may have won two cups and finishes second at Man U, but that was not enough and he was sacked and considered universally as a failure. That's because those trophies mean nothing at Man U because they are a big club. It's all about the league and the Champs League and that should be the same for us. If he wins the Carabao but fails to qualify for the CLUB, that is a failure in my book.

We need to qualify for the CL, that is imperative, and right now it looks unlikely.

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Therein lies today's Man Utd problems right there. Fergie would say that it was a bad season if they didn't win something, and if he didn't think the title was likely, then he'd make damn sure they won something like the League Cup, as he did in 2009 against us.

spursfan77 said:

This is part of the problem with society today. People being happy if we lose so they can be proved right. Don’t get it personally, me being right or wrong is secondary to the success of the club.

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I get that there are a few in here who didn't want Mourinho from the start (just have a look at the beginning of this thread ...) but the fact so many have come out of the wood work to take pleasure in the situation the club now finds itself in. Can't get my head around it to be honest.
AFTV levels from some ....

Can we have a 'Next Manager' discussion thread? We had one last year when we looked shit

the yid said:

Look I'm ENIC Out they've never backed a manager but with Jose I don't think we can say he wasn't backed we addressed every position he wanted addressed apart from 1 in the summer.

HAVING SAID THAT the majority of us knew Jose was the wrong choice of manager but Levy appointed him that's ENICs fault here

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Honestly, how do you know that?

If im Jose, last summer, I want Gio and Ndombele out and to bring in a fit and reliable midfielder.

muppetman said:

I do wonder about this. We keep being told that his time at ManU was actually a success because he won two trophies and came second. Now replace ManU with Juve, Barca, Bayern - would that be success for any of them and therefore was Jose's time a success?

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You can't compare the teams like that. Juve, Barca Madrid, and Bayern don't have to contend with teams that can outspend them window after window. Most successful teams in their respective leagues yes. I get the comparison. As far as strength of financial dominance no.

Everlasting Seconds said:

I think this is touching on something important back in 2019. I was probably the first on SC to post about the possible scenario of Pochettino being replaced by Mourinho. And initially I did not personally want Mourinho but I saw that it was a like case regardless of my personal preferences. But as you say, I remember taking to ManUtd fans back then about how Mourinho was, as you say, outdated and flat. Later on during that autumn of 2019, I changed my mind and actually thought Mourinho could be a good choice. Why? We were being sold this idea that Mourinho had taken time off, updated himself, reinvigorated himself and would come back as Mourinho 2.0. And honestly who wouldn't want a 2.0 version of a renowned winner who was impressive in the PL in the past? The issue was, and is, that there has been no reinvention.

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It was all spin. Big jobs had come and gone and he was still unemployed. Let's be honest, when has he ever taken on 'a project'. Chelsea was the closest and even then it wasn't really because he was basically playing Fantasy Football.

And yet, he swaggers into Tottenham, a club which simply doesn't match to any of his M.O's previously and there he was talking about coaching players, being refreshed etc etc. It got him his desired wage, it will get him his desired pay out and he will come out of it blaming the club/squad and some other mug will give him a big deal elsewhere.

You can't help but feel for the coaching staff he took on to add to the illusion, all with growing reputations in their field through their work with Lille but we have seen nothing to suggest that any of the traits mentioned in them, Sacramento in particular are even used at Spurs. Wasn't he supposed to be an impressive attacking coach? He will struggle to get out of this well, just like you don't see anything from any of Mourinho's other staff that stick with him. AVB left and he is the only one you can claim to know what he did next.

handsomecake said:

patently obvious it’s going to end in tears.

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Not for King Kay

He embraces failure.

teenageYIDDO said:

Can we have a 'Next Manager' discussion thread? We had one last year when we looked shit

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Unfortunately yes.

Player power rules!!!