nedley
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Everlasting Seconds
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That's an interesting point, yeah. I guess you can add Brendan Rodgers to that list, but I'm unsure whether that's very redeeming.
G Ron
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I’ve backed Mourinho since he arrived and tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, but i’ve now reached the point where I’m seriously doubting that he can turn this around.
Our players look devoid of ideas, unfit, scared to take risks for fear of the consequences, and totally lacking in confidence.
Setting up with those two in wing back positions last night was one of the worst decisions I’ve ever seen. That system puts faith in your wing backs to provide the attacking threat, but setting up with such limited players in those positions just meant that we started with 5 at the back against relegation fodder. As others have said, he’s too worried about not losing games rather than winning them and when you start losing that philosophy is fundamentally flawed.
Thursday will be very interesting. If we set up with that shit system again I’ll accept that he’s dead man walking (he may already be). Will he bring Dele and Aurier in from the cold? It’ll be telling but I think the writing is in the wall for him now.
I’ll say one thing, if he does go I hope all fans can finally put the Poch arguments to bed and move on, back the new manager and stop comparing them to what’s come before them, we’ll never progress otherwise.
Our players look devoid of ideas, unfit, scared to take risks for fear of the consequences, and totally lacking in confidence.
Setting up with those two in wing back positions last night was one of the worst decisions I’ve ever seen. That system puts faith in your wing backs to provide the attacking threat, but setting up with such limited players in those positions just meant that we started with 5 at the back against relegation fodder. As others have said, he’s too worried about not losing games rather than winning them and when you start losing that philosophy is fundamentally flawed.
Thursday will be very interesting. If we set up with that shit system again I’ll accept that he’s dead man walking (he may already be). Will he bring Dele and Aurier in from the cold? It’ll be telling but I think the writing is in the wall for him now.
I’ll say one thing, if he does go I hope all fans can finally put the Poch arguments to bed and move on, back the new manager and stop comparing them to what’s come before them, we’ll never progress otherwise.
Japhet
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Maybe Levy (and ENIC) believed the bullshit that he's re-invented himself during his sabbatical.
nedley
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Probably to try and give them the opportunity to change the course of the game themselves. It didn't work because I fear hes losing that dressing room
Stamford
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Agree its utterly pathetic
dudu
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Can you name a managerial appointment where that wasn't the case?
WannaDanceWithUdogie
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He has got to play Dele, when he Mourinho first came in he was unreal for 5 games. Refuse to believe he can't play football anymore
NEVILLEB
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Something has happened between them.
No way it’s about his performances.
There‘s been plenty worse than him.
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Is Dele the answer to our problems? Probably not, based on recent history. But there's no way he shouldn't be in the squad or getting chances.
Interesting that dragon's info says Gio needs to start. Thought he was injured? In fact, he always seems to be injured.
Interesting that dragon's info says Gio needs to start. Thought he was injured? In fact, he always seems to be injured.
Gassin's finest
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It is for me. Trophies are trophies. Being snobby towards "lesser" silverware did for Poch imo.
Trix
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I don't think ability or lack of is in anyway the reason Jose isn't picking him.
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Gassin's finest
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I hate to say it, but were aren't on the same level as the likes of the Manchester's, Liverpool or even Leicester this season.
the yid
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Gio was our best player last season Jose didn't want Gio gone. Ndombele I think they both wanted him to leave. As far as players in you cannot look at the summer middle of a pandemic and tell me we didn't back Jose with incoming signings.
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I don't know whether Mourinho is or isn't the answer, but what I do know is we have gone through manager after manager and it is the same result, and at some point there must be a realisation that there is more wrong here than just sacking managers.
For example, if we're willing to spend £30million or so to sack Mourinho, either now or at the end of the season, and then another £15-20million in compensation for our next manager, then you have to question recruitment and transfer strategy.
That £50 million, can be an equivalent of offloading up to 10 players in a squad a lot quicker, by taking for example £5million off what our ideal asking price potentially is. Personally, I know which scenario would benefit the club more;
Scenario 1. (Reduce Player Asking Prices) Getting rid of a number of players that are not up to it any longer quicker, which then frees squad space and releases funds quicker, for us to strengthen, making the clear out instant and not spread across 2-3 seasons.
Versus; 2. Spending £50million on a sacking and recruiting a new manager, given him more money on top to spend for transfers, but hampered by squad size limits and complexity of offloading players to the values we want before being able to strengthen. This then results in unable to buy players because offloading stagnated players has failed due to no takers at price we want, or last minute deals on incomings, due to the duration of outgoings, causing an incomplete transfer window not being able to strengthen positions we need, and still have stagnated average players and rebuilding process continues to the next season as January is too hard to sell/buy.
Business sense means you should not apply Scenario 1, and I agree you should hold out for max value and I am not advocating this approach at all long term. However, we are at a crossroads where we either do Scenario 1, on a one off transfer window for longer term benefits of the squad, or we don't and we will end up eventually doing Scenario 2.
Taking a hypothetical £50million hit on incoming fees for players, does not mean the club takes a negative impact in finance, it just means that by selling a player for £15million instead of £20million for arguements sake, raises £150million in transfer fees a lot quicker than waiting for £200million and allows 10 spaces to be freed up in the squad.
As a club, we rinse and repeat scenario 2.
For example, if we're willing to spend £30million or so to sack Mourinho, either now or at the end of the season, and then another £15-20million in compensation for our next manager, then you have to question recruitment and transfer strategy.
That £50 million, can be an equivalent of offloading up to 10 players in a squad a lot quicker, by taking for example £5million off what our ideal asking price potentially is. Personally, I know which scenario would benefit the club more;
Scenario 1. (Reduce Player Asking Prices) Getting rid of a number of players that are not up to it any longer quicker, which then frees squad space and releases funds quicker, for us to strengthen, making the clear out instant and not spread across 2-3 seasons.
Versus; 2. Spending £50million on a sacking and recruiting a new manager, given him more money on top to spend for transfers, but hampered by squad size limits and complexity of offloading players to the values we want before being able to strengthen. This then results in unable to buy players because offloading stagnated players has failed due to no takers at price we want, or last minute deals on incomings, due to the duration of outgoings, causing an incomplete transfer window not being able to strengthen positions we need, and still have stagnated average players and rebuilding process continues to the next season as January is too hard to sell/buy.
Business sense means you should not apply Scenario 1, and I agree you should hold out for max value and I am not advocating this approach at all long term. However, we are at a crossroads where we either do Scenario 1, on a one off transfer window for longer term benefits of the squad, or we don't and we will end up eventually doing Scenario 2.
Taking a hypothetical £50million hit on incoming fees for players, does not mean the club takes a negative impact in finance, it just means that by selling a player for £15million instead of £20million for arguements sake, raises £150million in transfer fees a lot quicker than waiting for £200million and allows 10 spaces to be freed up in the squad.
As a club, we rinse and repeat scenario 2.
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WannaDanceWithUdogie
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I agree, and also Dele seems best mates with half the squad.. imagine what it's like when your mate is being treated like that. Defo reduces morale
nedley
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Exactly.
nedley
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So let's say we finish 6th and win the Carabao. You give him a new deal. Happy for another 2-3 years of this football?
You'll be in the smallest of minorities.
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