Have you ever felt more disconnected?

fortworthspur · May 20, 2021

feels pretty much par for the course as a Spurs fan. Someone here has the quote from In Bruges in their sig: "Purgatory's kind of like the in-betweeny one. You weren't really shit, but you weren't all that great either. Like Tottenham. "

NEVILLEB · May 20, 2021

What’s really sad is the amount of members who have aggressively backed Levy’s every mistake.

This is the inevitable outcome.

Tel Boy · May 20, 2021

Rocksuperstar said:
And, despite all of this being 100% on the nose about Sugar... we owe him everything.

He put his own money up to save the club, we can't ignore it so even if he was the most infuriating **** to have in charge, without him we'd probably be the White Hart Hotspurs or something by now, playing away at Hereford.

I prefer the version where it was Terry Venables who saved us

JUSTINSIGNAL · May 20, 2021

Yep, throughout the 90s! Failing to finish in the top six for the first time in 13 or 14 years is nothing compared to always finishing below 8th and above 12th, with a relegation battle thrown in. That's when I felt disconnected lol

n0.1.spurs · May 20, 2021

Geyzer Soze said:

This is why I love this place. Laughed discretely in a coffee shop to about 5 posts today despite the shambles we are in at the moment. You either laugh or cry.

Geyzer Soze · May 20, 2021

n0.1.spurs said:
This is why I love this place. Laughed discretely in a coffee shop to about 5 posts today despite the shambles we are in at the moment. You either laugh or cry.

You can credit @Barmy_in_Palmy for that laugh, I just ported the pic over from the Picture thread where he'd posted it

n0.1.spurs · May 20, 2021

Geyzer Soze said:
You can credit @Barmy_in_Palmy for that laugh, I just ported the pic over from the Picture thread where he'd posted it

I see, well thanks to you and @Barmy_in_Palmy for nearly making me spit out my coffee.

Marty · May 20, 2021

I felt worse in the last few months of Sherwood.

It's perfectly rational to dislike that **** but I think my dislike borders on irrational hatred. I was pissed off he was in the dugout to a far greater degree than even post-Zagreb Mourinho and everything he said or did made me hate him a little more. And I couldn't stand half the squad we had although that is something that mirrors today's situation.

But my membership hasn't been renewed yet, and I'm very much on the fence especially given I can only go once or at most twice a season even in normal times.

lis spur · May 20, 2021

SecretLemonadeDrinker said:
Trust me, NickHSpurs, it was far, far worse in the 1990's. Today is a walk in the park by comparison.

Sugar and his pitbull, Claude Littner, had absolute contempt for players; for staff; for fans; even for football.

People think our approach to player and manager recruitment is scattergun and shambolic now... it's nothing compared to what it was back then. People think Levy is miserly... he is Father fucking Christmas compared to Sugar. People complain that we can't compete with the biggest clubs now...we couldn't even compete with Sheffield Wednesday or Middlesbrough under Sugar.

We were charged sky high prices to finish 14th instead of sky high prices to finish 6th. Everything about the club was cheap save for tickets and merchandise.

Truly, the atmosphere surrounding the club was poison.

Now only seems worse, perhaps, because we have the internet and twitter and all the many echo chambers within it.

All of the above plus our hopes were raised for 4/5 years ,but yes the 90s dished up some shite!!

Humbolt · May 20, 2021

This season has been hard for me. Really hard.

It's nothing to do with how bad we currently are. Hell, I've seen us during the 90's and it wasn't pretty. It's a combination of things for me:

1. The style of play. I've always been a Spurs fan, I didn't really have much of a choice as my family all were, and win, lose or draw I've always associated us with playing the game 'the right way'. Yeah, we might be crap, but at least we try and pass the ball around and have a go at teams . This season under Jose was torture. Getting a quick early goal then sitting back with no ambition or pride was awful to watch. It got to the point where for the first time in my life I actively avoided watching our games. It was not fun. So now Jose has gone but getting back to the Tottenham style I know and love will take time.
2. Effort. Quite simply there are players who do not seem to care and should be sold immediately. Lack of effort disgusts me. In my younger days, I'd have given my left nutsack to play for Spurs and cannot understand that basic lack of pride and effort. The shoddy, lazy displays of the last two years are a symptom of that. It can't be a coincidence that this has happened under three managers now. Unacceptable. If they players don't care, why should I?
3. Levy. To paraphrase Jose, he is a specialist in failure. He'd happily rip the heart and soul out of the club for a few quid. He needs to go for obvious reasons. I don't trust him to invest the resources we need or to invest them wisely.

Add all these things together and my enthusiasm has waned considerably over the last couple of years. Whoever the next manager is, he has a big, big job on his hands!

muppetman · May 20, 2021

I was really disconnected during the AVB/Sherwood, where it felt like a bunch of mercenaries going through the motions. Regularly getting pumped for 5 or 6 goals by Liverpool, Verts looking like he just couldn't give a fuck.

Then along came Poch and his team of exciting, fully committed youngsters. The best thing (for me) about that era was not the success, it was that feeling of connection, being part of something special and on a journey. I was lucky enough to have a ST just behing the goal where Harry scored that curler that went in off the post against Arsenal and being there for our last season in the old ground was magical.

I know that for many fans it's all about winning trophies and shutting up other teams supporters but for me it's about that sense of connection and excitement. I've spent most of this season half watching the games whilst either on my phone or on here, which I think says it all.

I generally try not to get caught up in the blame game or all of the negativity that many wallow in but it's really tough to see a way that Levy fixes this any time soon.

WhiteStripe · May 20, 2021

SecretLemonadeDrinker said:
Trust me, NickHSpurs, it was far, far worse in the 1990's. Today is a walk in the park by comparison.

Sugar and his pitbull, Claude Littner, had absolute contempt for players; for staff; for fans; even for football.

People think our approach to player and manager recruitment is scattergun and shambolic now... it's nothing compared to what it was back then. People think Levy is miserly... he is Father fucking Christmas compared to Sugar. People complain that we can't compete with the biggest clubs now...we couldn't even compete with Sheffield Wednesday or Middlesbrough under Sugar.

We were charged sky high prices to finish 14th instead of sky high prices to finish 6th. Everything about the club was cheap save for tickets and merchandise.

Truly, the atmosphere surrounding the club was poison.

Now only seems worse, perhaps, because we have the internet and twitter and all the many echo chambers within it.

Yet I preferred being a spurs fan then than I do now!

Lea · May 20, 2021

NickHSpurs said:
Last night felt like a watershed moment for me. I've been a season ticket holder since the Martin Jol era in 2006, a supporter all my life (I'm 37) and I've never felt more disconnected with the Club than I did yesterday and still do today. Before the game Levy put out his statement about how we're a family and we're stronger together but last night they made us fans in the stadium feel like they simply don't care about us at all.

I was one of the unlucky ones who chose to spend £60 on watching that shower on the pitch. Like most others, I hadn't been to the stadium since March so I was buzzing to get back. I got to see a couples mates that I hadn't seen since March either so to feel that little slice of normality again was a big moment.

We were told at various points before the day via email and on the actual day in the stadium to stay in our seats after the game for the traditional lap of appreciation from the players to the fans, to thank us for our support as they do every single season.

The full time whistle went. Kane, Bale, Son and Dele clapped every single side of the stadium immediately after the full time whistle before heading to the changing rooms. Hojbjerg and Toby to a lesser extent, meanwhile everyone else went back inside. What would normally happen is the players go and put their tracksuits on, then come back pretty quickly (with all the staff) to clap the fans. That didn't happen.

We were soon politely told over the PA to leave. No explanation, just basically told to go home. That's when the atmosphere started to become pretty toxic, scuffles broke out with stewards, negative chants towards Levy, ENIC and the cost of tickets began and people were angry.

We may not have a permanent manager but we have people on the staff like our caretaker manager Ryan Mason and coach Ledley King who are supposed to be Spurs through and through. Where were they last night? Hiding because a few fans decided to boo what was a poor performace? Spineless. Not only did they not show their own faces but they clearly didn't stand up for us fans and get the players and staff to come out and show us some appreciation.

What about our captain, where was he? Hiding in the changing room with everyone else.

This disconnect has been slowly breaking for the last few years. The last season in the old stadium I had never felt closer to the Club, it was an amazing place to be but there's been a steady decline between how the Club treat the fans and taking us for granted since.

Any good will built up before that time has now completely gone, all bridges completely burned and that's sad.

I got my ST when Gross bought his underground ticket, my lowest point was when Chelsea put 6 goals into our net and I turn around to realise the two of us are only ones left at the stand. Saying all that we got over it, I understand how low you feel but it’s only football and new season will come soon enough and we will go again.???

wrd · May 20, 2021

I don't feel disconnected from the club, I was raised on sticking with the club through thick and thin and my dad hammered home the point during the fleeting good moments we had as a kid and said this is why we stick with the club through this poor moments because it makes these moments all the more sweeter.

I'm also somebody who believes on focusing on how to improve and we have so many areas that we can improve that it makes me hopeful. I also think it's difficult to be disconnected when every time I choose to procrastinate when I'm meant to be working I'm spending it talking with fellow fans on here and trying to get a laugh out of everyone, this club is so much more than the results and it's not great at the moment but when you're apart of a little internet community like this which for me better represents what football is about then I find it hard to be disconnected.

I've never been more disappointed and today all I can think about seeing the Kane news is just how I wish that Champions League final went differently and what it would have meant for everybody connected to the club, that makes me feel low but I still believe that with the right man in charge, a change of approach from the board and some astute signings and some aggression when it comes to selling it can be turned around quickly. My opinion is that if we bomb out of Europe this weekend as it appears we will then 1 game a week might be the foundation for which we build back up again.

I've suffered some monumental failures in what I've pursued in life and my approach has always been that you accept the worst case scenario and then you begin figuring out how to rebuild from that worst case scenario. In the past 12 months it's all turned around and I think the same approach is how we as fans and the club itself need to approach things. We need to accept the worst will happen, draw a line under what has already happened and now look at how we begin the rebuild.

slartibartfast · May 20, 2021

SecretLemonadeDrinker · May 20, 2021

WhiteStripe said:
Yet I preferred being a spurs fan then than I do now!

A few reasons for that, I think, all of which have been mentioned in this thread.

- The internet barely existed in the early 90's and was still in its relative infancy by the time that Sugar sold up in December 2000. Twitter and other social media didn't exist at all. So we didn't have failure and discontent thrust down our throats; and regurgitated; and argued over again and again; 24 hours a day and 7 days a week.

- We were younger; not as world weary.

- Our expectations were much lower. If we hadn't hit the relative highs under Poch, this relative low wouldn't feel anything like as bad.

southlondonyiddo · May 20, 2021

It was poisonous when I started going around 1974 right at the end of Nicholson and then under Terry Neil!!
The supporters were treated like shit back then under chairman Sydn
We were absolutely dreadful and finally got relegated

That season in the 2nd division watching the birth of Hoddle was magic and over the course of the 80's and very early nineties it was mostly good although obviously they still took the piss out of the loyal ST holders

Along came the dark days of the 90's and we really did see some shite and once again the supporters were treated like shit

Basically as long as I can remember the loyal supporters have always been treated like mugs

For me it’s the huge hike in wages and the price of our ST along with the ginormous disconnect between the supporter on the ‘terraces' and the players

Add that to VAR and zero trophies won with a super team and one of the greatest strikers of his generation and it all adds up to this

We need a complete rebuild again and many many years of TRANSITION!!!

Many of us are not cut out for that journey once again!

In a nutshell I don’t think it’s actually much different to how it’s been 3/4/5 times in my Spurs career but as the years tick on it somehow feels like it

pook · May 20, 2021

F*ck it. I'm 57 years old. Spurs are going to take me wherever they take me.* That's just how it works. I could probably get off this ride if I wanted to - but I don't.

Would it be better if we weren't shite? Sure. But whatever. It could be waaaay worse than this, and I'd still feel no less 'connected'. It's just how it is. I can cope. Life is good.

*and at least they're not taking me to f*cking Stratford.

Dave1882 · May 20, 2021

Think the Sugar years were pretty bad in 90s. You forget how shit we were.
But this feels pretty bad and Levy/the club just don’t seem to have a clue. Despite their flimsy statements, everything else does suggests they could give a fuck about fans

thelak · May 20, 2021

I felt more connected under the Sherwood/AVB period

We were still at white hart lane which was less corporate and cheaper tickets

expectations were lower

we had some interesting young players coming through our academy

Transfer fees were not as crazy, our scouting seemed a bit more on point and City’s dominance was not as cut and dried at that point

We had, had 6-7 years less of ENIC and Levy to grind us down further

hadn’t been mugged off with £60 tickets To return to our stadium after a global pandemic and seen our club sneakily try to join a breakaway league

The world itself was a more normal place

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