Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

thebenjamin · Feb 4, 2022

rossdapep said:
These quotes are going to have people up in arms and criticising the window.

I haven't seen the presser yet but surely he means it's strange on the surface because you are sending your two biggest transfers in history/recent memory out on loan? Not that the business the club did this window was strange. Just the circumstances around it have been.

He's saying it's a strange position to be in, having to ship out players you recently bought because they didn't work out. Strange as in unusual.

Hotspur33 · Feb 4, 2022

Timberwolf said:
It does seem like he's implying that. He says he thinks Gil is a really good player but follows that by more or less saying he doesn't have the physical profile to make it in the Premier League. He then talks about it being important not to make mistakes in the market.

I.e. Don't make the mistake of signing talented players who don't suit the style of the league.

I think Gil will have a big career, but he really doesn't strike me as a Conte player at all. I think he could make it in England, but not playing in this type of system (and bulking up a little would also help ofc).

I suspect the club expect Gil to outlast Conte, Or prove him wrong which is why maybe they weren't interested in options to buy.

journeyman · Feb 4, 2022

He is very obviously saying our decisions in the past were strange, not our decisions in this window. And he is 100% correct. In fact, he seems quite positive about this window. Very straight talking, great to see. The point about needing to be precise in our recruitment from now on will be music to Levy’s ears too.

Timberwolf · Feb 4, 2022

Hotspur33 said:
I suspect the club expect Gil to outlast Conte, Or prove him wrong which is why maybe they weren't interested in options to buy.

Yeah I think that's his best chance of succeeding at Spurs. Another loan next year maybe then if Conte leaves he could come into the side under a new manager/system.

I can see Conte's point though. If we're on a limited budget and want immediate results, we need to be shrewd in the market and buy players who suit the league and can make an impact. Gil was clearly a signing for the future, but due to his diminutive size he's barely played at all which isn't great however you try and spin it.

Russ1201 · Feb 4, 2022

hughy said:
8pm Saturday kick-off. If you haven't had a few by then you're doing Saturdays wrong.

True may have to start early to ease the pain ?

synththfc · Feb 4, 2022

Timberwolf said:
Yeah I think that's his best chance of succeeding at Spurs. Another loan next year maybe then if Conte leaves he could come into the side under a new manager/system.

I can see Conte's point though. If we're on a limited budget and want immediate results, we need to be shrewd in the market and buy players who suit the league and can make an impact. Gil was clearly a signing for the future, but due to his diminutive size he's barely played at all which isn't great however you try and spin it.

Going off your last sentence, I think that's part of what Conte's talking about. You can't be spending 25m + Lamela (so, total value around what 35m?) on a player who isn't ready to contribute when your squad needs a lot of improvement. Looking back, it's madness.

spursfan77 · Feb 4, 2022

rossdapep said:
These quotes are going to have people up in arms and criticising the window.

I haven't seen the presser yet but surely he means it's strange on the surface because you are sending your two biggest transfers in history/recent memory out on loan? Not that the business the club did this window was strange. Just the circumstances around it have been.

Hes basically saying we’ve made mistakes in the past, huge ones, and we can’t afford to do it again. It’s fair enough and it’s the truth. Why would they have people up in arms, it’s what 99% of spurs fans have been saying!

ajspurs · Feb 4, 2022

Timberwolf said:
It does seem like he's implying that. He says he thinks Gil is a really good player but follows that by more or less saying he doesn't have the physical profile to make it in the Premier League. He then talks about it being important not to make mistakes in the market.

I.e. Don't make the mistake of signing talented players who don't suit the style of the league.

I think Gil will have a big career, but he really doesn't strike me as a Conte player at all. I think he could make it in England, but not playing in this type of system (and bulking up a little would also help ofc).

I haven't seen it yet but if that's what he intended I understand it. I think it is a mistake of a signing if we're talking about players being ready to make an immediate impact in the side. It depends on what we saw him as though, whether it was as a prospect or someone who we wanted to come straight into the side. I like Gil myself, has a sharpness about him and I think he has a really good and positive attitude but he also really doesn't seem ready for the PL.

Even though we kind of just bought one in Kulu, hopefully it's him saying we need to stop gambling on prospects so much and start buying more of the finished article also.

rossdapep · Feb 4, 2022

thebenjamin said:
He's saying it's a strange position to be in, having to ship out players you recently bought because they didn't work out. Strange as in unusual.

Yeah I know. Thats what I mean.

Sorry, I guess I didn't phrase my post well enough.

But people will pick up the "very strange" and suggest that he's not happy or that it confirms the window was bad. Rather than what he really means.

But of course he means strange in the sense it's not a typical thing to do.

SpartanSpur · Feb 4, 2022

journeyman said:
He is very obviously saying our decisions in the past were strange, not our decisions in this window. And he is 100% correct. In fact, he seems quite positive about this window. Very straight talking, great to see. The point about needing to be precise in our recruitment from now on will be music to Levy’s ears too.

Yeah for a post window analysis from Conte I'm taking that as largely positive. Just a warning that we can't afford to repeat the mistakes of recent years. Seems happy with the two new players, wanted the other players out and accepts January is difficult. Don't think he's fed the narrative as much as he could have, although I'm sure some will try and spin it that way.

I'm sure he has high expectations from Paratici and the club in the summer though, can't use the January excuse there.

rossdapep · Feb 4, 2022

spursfan77 said:
Hes basically saying we’ve made mistakes in the past, huge ones, and we can’t afford to do it again. It’s fair enough and it’s the truth. Why would they have people up in arms, it’s what 99% of spurs fans have been saying!

Because some people will read the "very strange" comments and take it to mean he's not happy, which is clearly not the case.

I understood exactly what he means as I've been someone who has credited the window. I think it has been very good

But you already have posters saying it will be a window we will regret.

Athenspur · Feb 4, 2022

rossdapep said:
why?

Here's why.
I thought Lo Celso should be kept and worked with, as he's been more unlucky than incapable. Ndombele, not so much.
I believe Dele is too good and young to give up on, let alone be given away for next to nothing.
I don't think Kulusevski is ready to make an impact in a PL team with top 4 aspirations. Bentancur, I don't know him well enough.
Gil is obviously nowhere near ready, but he could be useful as a late impact sub with his speed and trickery in games we are chasing.
I believe that a great manager such as Conte should earn his money working with players and make them play better, like he has done with Winks et al. That's the whole point of having a top class manager.
With four first teamers out, and just two unproven players in the EPL in, I'm afraid that our squad is now too thin in numbers and quality.
We didn't do anything to bolster the defense, or get a better RWB, or finally find a backup for Kane.
We lost precious time chasing Traore, who I don't consider even remotely good enough.
We lost out to Liverpool for a player (Diaz) who could become our Bruno Fernandes.
We parted ways with the experienced Hitchen, who was pushed out.
Behind the scenes reports at Athletic and elsewhere, plus Conte's quotes, don't exactly reveal a happy war room.
We have a real chance for top-4 this season, and that can be a game changer. Did we go all out to chase this opportunity? I don't think we did.
Overall, I don't see myself as negative at all. On the contrary, I just might have been the only one in SC defending each and every Spurs player, even when everyone here calls for their head (Doherty, Winks, Dele, Dier etc). And every manager. Well, except Mou, who I thought was completely wrong for Spurs from day 1. And I was proven right.

YB123 · Feb 4, 2022

Athenspur said:
Here's why.
I thought Lo Celso should be kept and worked with, as he's been more unlucky than incapable. Ndombele, not so much.
I believe Dele is too good and young to give up on, let alone be given away for next to nothing.
I don't think Kulusevski is ready to make an impact in a PL team with top 4 aspirations. Bentancur, I don't know him well enough.
Gil is obviously nowhere near ready, but he could be useful as a late impact sub with his speed and trickery in games we are chasing.
I believe that a great manager such as Conte should earn his money working with players and make them play better, like he has done with Winks et al. That's the whole point of having a top class manager.
With four first teamers out, and just two unproven players in the EPL in, I'm afraid that our squad is now too thin in numbers and quality.
We didn't do anything to bolster the defense, or get a better RWB, or finally find a backup for Kane.
We lost precious time chasing Traore, who I don't consider even remotely good enough.
We lost out to Liverpool for a player (Diaz) who could become our Bruno Fernandes.
We parted ways with the experienced Hitchen, who was pushed out.
Behind the scenes reports at Athletic and elsewhere, plus Conte's quotes, don't exactly reveal a happy war room.
We have a real chance for top-4 this season, and that can be a game changer. Did we go all out to chase this opportunity? I don't think we did.
Overall, I don't see myself as negative at all. On the contrary, I just might have been the only one in SC defending each and every Spurs player, even when everyone here calls for their head (Doherty, Winks, Dele, Dier etc). And every manager. Well, except Mou, who I thought was completely wrong for Spurs from day 1. And I was proven right.

Some effort to type all that out and I stopped reading after the second sentence in.

rossdapep · Feb 4, 2022

His comments do fill you with a lot more confidence though, don't they?

I mean, had it been Nuno or another stooge, they would probably defend the decisions or be very clear about what needs to happen.

With Conte you get a strong impression he knows exactly what is needed and that we will be targetting players who fit what we need in order to get back up there again

YB123 · Feb 4, 2022

To add, we will regret this window if we dont make top 4. Lets just see how the season pans out.

thebenjamin · Feb 4, 2022

Worth watching the whole thing. He just talks such sense. Only sign players who will make you better. Don't sign players who make you worse. When you're thinking about signing someone, you have to be sure about 'many aspects', not just whether he can kick a ball or not.

ALL IN ON TONY

Bluto Blutarsky · Feb 4, 2022

Athenspur said:
Here's why.
I thought Lo Celso should be kept and worked with, as he's been more unlucky than incapable. Ndombele, not so much.
I believe Dele is too good and young to give up on, let alone be given away for next to nothing.
I don't think Kulusevski is ready to make an impact in a PL team with top 4 aspirations. Bentancur, I don't know him well enough.
Gil is obviously nowhere near ready, but he could be useful as a late impact sub with his speed and trickery in games we are chasing.
I believe that a great manager such as Conte should earn his money working with players and make them play better, like he has done with Winks et al. That's the whole point of having a top class manager.
With four first teamers out, and just two unproven players in the EPL in, I'm afraid that our squad is now too thin in numbers and quality.
We didn't do anything to bolster the defense, or get a better RWB, or finally find a backup for Kane.
We lost precious time chasing Traore, who I don't consider even remotely good enough.
We lost out to Liverpool for a player (Diaz) who could become our Bruno Fernandes.
We parted ways with the experienced Hitchen, who was pushed out.
Behind the scenes reports at Athletic and elsewhere, plus Conte's quotes, don't exactly reveal a happy war room.
We have a real chance for top-4 this season, and that can be a game changer. Did we go all out to chase this opportunity? I don't think we did.
Overall, I don't see myself as negative at all. On the contrary, I just might have been the only one in SC defending each and every Spurs player, even when everyone here calls for their head (Doherty, Winks, Dele, Dier etc). And every manager. Well, except Mou, who I thought was completely wrong for Spurs from day 1. And I was proven right.

So much wrong with this post.

But, go ahead and submit your CV to Spurs for Hitchen's spot.

spursfan77 · Feb 4, 2022

rossdapep said:
Because some people will read the "very strange" comments and take it to mean he's not happy, which is clearly not the case.

I understood exactly what he means as I've been someone who has credited the window. I think it has been very good

But you already have posters saying it will be a window we will regret.

Fuck ‘em! ?

Japhet · Feb 4, 2022

spursfan77 said:
Hes basically saying we’ve made mistakes in the past, huge ones, and we can’t afford to do it again. It’s fair enough and it’s the truth. Why would they have people up in arms, it’s what 99% of spurs fans have been saying!

Well. I hope for Conte's sake that Kulusevski and Bentancur hit the ground running and pull up trees. Gil got very limited opportunities and LoCelso had barely got back from injury so had little time to impress. They were shipped out pretty ruthlessly and I'm OK with that but they weren't given much of a chance.

synththfc · Feb 4, 2022

rossdapep said:
His comments do fill you with a lot more confidence though, don't they?

I mean, had it been Nuno or another stooge, they would probably defend the decisions or be very clear about what needs to happen.

With Conte you get a strong impression he knows exactly what is needed and that we will be targetting players who fit what we need in order to get back up there again

It seems like he likes the path we took during the window and offers that little bit of assurance that we will stay on that path. Very reassuring.

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