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Guernman

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@guernman How can you say probalistically (which I'm guessing is probably statistically) speaking when you arrived at that conclusion with "My personal opinion is that they will be in the vast minority."

That's not how objectivity works at all.
I believe that the number of women who make up an accusation of sexual assault is in the vast minority. Statistically the number of genuine sexual assaults that lead to a successful prosecution are around 2.5%. Therefore if you are accused of sexual assault, if you are arrested and handcuffed, if you are bailed three times and still under investigation after 8 months, you are probably guilty but will still probably get off.
 

McFlash

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Here is the added salt on top, all that information, regardless of you being innocent, is still held by the police as non-conviction information. You can apply to get it deleted, but good luck with that :ROFLMAO: It comes up in background checks for certain jobs regardless of you not being convicted. System is fooked
Maybe but I've just had to complete a dbs check for a job I'm about to start because I may be in contact with vulnerable children.
It came back completely clean but I will admit to being a bit concerned for a while, not really knowing the process.
So thankfully, a couple of false allegations from a deranged ex didn't show.
 

RuskyM

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Can I be the first to say, the sexual assault case chat is boring as fuck. Can we not please clog up his thread with this stuff? He hasn't been charged, nobody knows the facts, the club will have done their due dilligence. I don't care what moral highground people want to stand on. Take it somewhere else.

I don't want to keep coming into this thread to see people discussing this case.
I mean “should we not sign potential sex offenders” doesn’t seem like particularly high ground.
 

AustroSpur

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Oh wow, this is quite some take. Even with Winks in there I suspect this guy has never seen Hojbjerg or Bentancur.

The two key assumptions here being that a.) Tielemans actually joins them and b.) Winks won´t leave - while both are fair chances, let´s remove both names off that list and it get´s even funnier
 

Wick3d

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Maybe but I've just had to complete a dbs check for a job I'm about to start because I may be in contact with vulnerable children.
It came back completely clean but I will admit to being a bit concerned for a while, not really knowing the process.
So thankfully, a couple of false allegations from a deranged ex didn't show.
I'd say your lucky as the police are very risk adverse at the moment. They apply a framework to aid their decision making, and they do get it wrong sometimes. Its a bit inconsistent with how they apply it, the fact that the information is still held is a concern as well. If I were you, you can apply to get it deleted. Takes ages though
 

Barmby Army

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I agree, although @Aphex has a point re: the discussion of it.

None of us know the details so at this point any conversation surrounding it is purely hypothetical or speculative, which doesn't really get us anywhere (and has already been done to death in previous windows).
It's a relevant part of the discussion and something that absolutely should be discussed in my opinion. These things matter. Everyone is quick enough to point out the various shitebags that have played for our rivals, if you have any ethical consistency whatsoever you can't then support the signing of someone under investigation for sexual assault on the basis that he improves the first eleven. I'm no religious nut but "what does it profit a man to gain the world and lose his soul" springs to mind.
 

Wick3d

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It's a relevant part of the discussion and something that absolutely should be discussed in my opinion. These things matter. Everyone is quick enough to point out the various shitebags that have played for our rivals, if you have any ethical consistency whatsoever you can't then support the signing of someone under investigation for sexual assault on the basis that he improves the first eleven. I'm no religious nut but "what does it profit a man to gain the world and lose his soul" springs to mind.
Exactly. There is no harm in discussing the case. The issue is when people can't making things up or saying he is innocent/guility with the limtied information we have. The truth is that anyone at any moment can be accused of a crime, why would you condemn them before any investigation as concluded? Seems utterly bizarre and quite unfair
 

GutBucket

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Insanely good value for money, if we get Eriksen or similar we won't ever have to worry about being press resistant again. Bissouma can play almost any midfield role.
 

Aphex

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What a bleak state of affairs. Is this all fandom is to you, all bets are off as long as we can get a few trophies under our belts?

I could not disagree with you any more on this. To me, a club should represent something beyond the football. I don't stand to benefit from the club's success financially, the enjoyment I get from my team is based on the understanding that they mean something important to me, that they represent something that matters, that I can be proud of. If the players, and by extension the club, don't hold any values that I care about, then what is the point in me supporting them?

I think that might be the single worst post I've ever seen on SpursCommunity, which I suppose is an achievement of sorts.


Talk about an overreaction. Nobody knows anything about the case, just that he is a person of interest in a sexual assault case, it doesn't mean he has commited any crime. Signing a player like Bissouma as it stands right now shouldn't make you question what the club stands for. What is the point of discussing something when nobody has the facts? It means it is full of conjecture and hypotheticals.
 

arunspurs

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I didnt realise that Bielsa was his ex-manager at Lille and often used him at RB...Eventually when Galtier took over, he was played at his natural CM position.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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This is something to get excited about! Top quality midfielder.
He’s a bit like Wanyama, an absolute athletic beast but at the same time real quality on the ball.

Top Top signing if it comes off.
Also I love it when we sign other PL teams top players, Man.U did this for years, ironically from us quite often (Carrick, Berbatov etc) nice to see we are truly a big club now and we are the end point for players reaching the top level in their careers and no longer a stepping stone.

Absolutely buzzing about this
 

Aphex

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It may be boring to you but in this instance it has some relevance, especially when someone claims Bissouma is "probably guilty".

That's going to strike a chord with some of us and while you may not like it, it's not something to be ignored.

I agree with you there, but that is precisely the type of chat I am sayign we should avoid. People will start leaping to conclusions, IMO it's a toxic conversation.
 
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