Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

THOWIG · Jan 1, 2023

arunspurs said:
Let’stop re-writing history. It wasn't woeful . It was good but we needed a great window

When you sign one player out of 7 who has made a difference then it’s pretty woeful.

THE SPURSBOY · Jan 1, 2023

Well we’re fucked either way, if he has offered to resign and the players know that and he had just said they’re not good enough anyway what is Training and their motivation is gonna be moving forward

SaiboT · Jan 1, 2023

Hercules said:
Whilst I understand your comments, to me it is pointless. The club knew what type of manager they were getting. You bring him in, you back him with what he wants. And to this we haven’t. He accepted players he had not much choice tbf.

He has been properly backed tho. Impossible to sign a player when the player doesn’t want to come to the club. He wanted Richy, he got him. He wanted perisic, got him. He wanted Bastoni, didn’t get him because he wanted to stay at Inter. He wanted bissouma and got him. This talk about him not getting backed enough is bullshit. Is he even worth the backing. Not for me.

mil1lion · Jan 1, 2023

gibbospurs said:
Probably. But 50m on him? Lots of players can be obtained for that fee. Hardly the creativity we need. Imo.

Not sure where 50m is from

glacierSpurs · Jan 1, 2023

-Afri-Coy- said:
I still wonder why we did so well at the end of the last season with the same players, under the same "stubborn" manager and tactics, who doesn't change his ways, but this season it has been the polar opposite?

Can't be Conte's fault then, he's too "stubborn" to change his tactics. The only other suspect? The players.

When things didn't go well, they never really do as they said in post interviews, like 'learning from that and will do better', or 'can't wait for the next match and bounce back'. Basically the majority of the players have gotten the wrong DNA of the club, which is soft and weak in mentality.

gibbospurs · Jan 1, 2023

JayB said:
There’s no doubt that the squad needs heavy investment but I’m not sure I agree that it would need top-to-bottom changes regardless of who replaced Conte.

Jose, Nuno, and Conte all play counterattacking football. That is the profile of the squad we’ve built. A manager such as say, Tuchel, would need additional squad depth but not necessarily wholesale changes.

Poch, on the other hand, would require a total revamp. The board has to be willing to commit to a long, painful process if that’s the route we choose.

Who exactly can’t play the pressing game? Maybe only Kane?

rossdapep · Jan 1, 2023

Tony-Bish said:
What do you want ENIC to do? You want an owner like Man City, Newcastle etc that just throws their cash around. What happens when these owners leave the club? ENIC are investing in the club and are making money available in a sustainable way. We've had money to spend while building a world class stadium

FSG are very similar owners to ENIC.

Yet they've won CL, PL title, League Cup and BACKED Klopp all the way.

They have now decided to sell up cause they can't keep spending this way to compete.

They've been fair to the fans all the way.

ZiggySpurs · Jan 1, 2023

-Afri-Coy- said:
I still wonder why we did so well at the end of the last season with the same players, under the same "stubborn" manager and tactics, who doesn't change his ways, but this season it has been the polar opposite?

Can't be Conte's fault then, he's too "stubborn" to change his tactics. The only other suspect? The players.

I think the lack of cup football and midweek fixtures helped, plus there was generally a good vibe and atmosphere around Spurs. I think that was also around the time of the announcement of a cash injection (or was that after the end of the season?). That home atmosphere during the NLD last year was incredible. I understand though that the atmosphere now reflects results and what's happening on the pitch and there's a lot of anger or worse yet, indifference.

freeeki · Jan 1, 2023

Pistols At Dawn said:
Conte should *at minimum* be getting more out of this group of players.

And he should *at minimum* be trying new solutions.

We’ve been in the top 4 all season until this week.

When you look at our squad, I would say it’s over-performing.

We have 1 defender who would get into the other big 6 clubs’ starting XIs.

Arguably 2-3 attackers who would, and 1 midfielder.

That’s simply not good enough.

Sure, Conte got a tune out of them last season when we were out of all other competitions and had the new manager effect.

In reality you can’t keep sub-par players over-performing for long. It’s not realistic or sustainable.

Our squad is shockingly weak, and that was exposed clearly and brutally today with Kulusevski, Richarlison and Bentancur injured.

arunspurs · Jan 1, 2023

rossdapep said:
It amazes me that people expect a change in coach to be a brighter future.

EVERY single coach we've had has at some point had an issue with the way Levy works.

AVB complained that Levy brought in a load is players he didn't want and ignored players he wanted.

Poch (and his body language) complained that the club needed to behave like a big club and go up a level with players, start to replace quality with quality instead of punts.

Jose couldn't believe he was fired on the eve of a final and made a dig at Levy.

I don't see how people can continue to back Levy. He's proven time and time again to be a huge hindrance on coach's ability to get us over the line.

The coach he had the best relationship with (the perfect coach for him) even got pissed off eventually.

There's no other club that has had that many coaches leaving feeling frustrated, bemused or angry.

Absolutely no-one should be wanting Levy to still be in charge of any footballing decisions.

The club needs new ideas, a new direction and new energy

I dont think any serious Spurs fan backs Levy in how he manages the football side of things
Most are frustrated and understand the reality, there is not much can be done, when it comes to change of ownership. Ownership change will only happen if Levy or Lewis wants to.

Jamturk · Jan 1, 2023

arunspurs said:
Lets stop re-writing history. It wasn't woeful . It was good but we needed a great window

To achieve what?

mil1lion · Jan 1, 2023

spursfan77 said:
What does he mean here? At the end it sounds like he’s saying the club are going to give him the players he needs.

This sounds promising that the club agrees. He's calling for patience to build what we need to win titles. The fans need to be patient and let us build. We really need a couple important signings this month just to lift the mood.

For the love of Spurs · Jan 1, 2023

JayB said:
There’s no doubt that the squad needs heavy investment but I’m not sure I agree that it would need top-to-bottom changes regardless of who replaced Conte.

Jose, Nuno, and Conte all play counterattacking football. That is the profile of the squad we’ve built. A manager such as say, Tuchel, would need additional squad depth but not necessarily wholesale changes.

Poch, on the other hand, would require a total revamp. The board has to be willing to commit to a long, painful process if that’s the route we choose.

Issue is Counter attacking football needs results. If the football isn’t great to watch you only have results to fall back on and if they go the fans get angry. I think defensive style we are going down is a mistake and creates more pressure. A long term possession attacking approach will get more patience.

chrisd2k · Jan 1, 2023

Can't see any of these rumours on twitter. Then again I don't know what I'm doing on twitter ?

-Afri-Coy- · Jan 1, 2023

SaiboT said:
He has been properly backed tho. Impossible to sign a player when the player doesn’t want to come to the club. He wanted Richy, he got him. He wanted perisic, got him. He wanted Bastoni, didn’t get him because he wanted to stay at Inter. He wanted bissouma and got him. This talk about him not getting backed enough is bullshit. Is he even worth the backing. Not for me.

Do you think the squad he inherited only needed 5 players (I'm including Bentancur and Kulu here) to compete?

Keep in mind that the teams around us strengthened too. 5 players isn't even the minimum.

-Afri-Coy- · Jan 1, 2023

AJW said:
Personally I think people are over exaggerating our form. From February we won 12, drew 2 and lost 6. I know that’s good but not as brilliant as people are saying. Included defeats to Southampton, Wolves, Middlesborough, Burnley, United, Brighton. Much better performances than currently but still not as great as people are suggesting. I remember people feeling similar to today after the Burnley game. A lot of our opportunity came from Arsenal being disastrous

@freeeki Gave me the exact answer I was looking for above, which coincides with your post too.

Jamturk · Jan 1, 2023

chrisd2k said:
Can't see any of these rumours on twitter. Then again I don't know what I'm doing on twitter ?

Better to stay off twitter mate it's full of hyperbolic bullshitters.

Bing · Jan 1, 2023

You can moan about quality of players and lack of spending all you want....we got turned over by Villa at home.

All I hear is people saying we need to spend, back Conte and he''ll win us trophies. Not disagreeing we need to spend but do we not have quality? Son, Kane, Perisic, Romero....Kulu, Bentancur when fit. Hojberg, Doherty, Dier would all walk into most PL teams. The performances have been terrible all season...results have flattered us.

I am a died in the wool Conte apologist but must say whatever he is doing at the moment is not working. What we are getting out of this crop of players is woeful.

Archibald&Crooks · Jan 1, 2023

rossdapep said:
It amazes me that people expect a change in coach to be a brighter future.

EVERY single coach we've had has at some point had an issue with the way Levy works.

AVB complained that Levy brought in a load is players he didn't want and ignored players he wanted.

Poch (and his body language) complained that the club needed to behave like a big club and go up a level with players, start to replace quality with quality instead of punts.

Jose couldn't believe he was fired on the eve of a final and made a dig at Levy.

I don't see how people can continue to back Levy. He's proven time and time again to be a huge hindrance on coach's ability to get us over the line.

The coach he had the best relationship with (the perfect coach for him) even got pissed off eventually.

There's no other club that has had that many coaches leaving feeling frustrated, bemused or angry.

Absolutely no-one should be wanting Levy to still be in charge of any footballing decisions.

The club needs new ideas, a new direction and new energy

Nice one

I don't know if it's just reaction to today's rubbish but at the moment I'm at the point where I don't care who the manager is. I'd like it to be Conte because IMO he's not the problem. Levy is. That's not to say there aren't things Conte might do differently or is beyond criticism but him moving on is no sort of fix. Not if the same man is overseeing it all. I'd much MUCH rather Levy goes before Conte because the cycle is surely undeniable now.

But it will be Conte who goes, it will be Pochettino who takes over (IMO) and we will eventually be back where we are now. I really wouldn't be surprised if that happens before the end of the season. But we'll see. Let's see what happens in January, pivotal month for Conte.

Nebby · Jan 1, 2023

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