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Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

arunspurs

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When you sign one player out of 7 who has made a difference then it’s pretty woeful.

Speaking about things in hindsight is easy.
Perisic was wanted & a success. Richarlison was wanted but been injured or in bench. No body questions his abiity or fit post the world cup. Bissouma was wanted - If anything dude has lost all confidence under Conte. But doesnt mean he was bad player. Forster hasnt done much wrong - if anything, howlers belong to Lloris. Udogie was wanted by Conte & is doing very well in Serie A this season
Spence is the only player who seems to be not Conte pick.

Ofcourse, there may be players Conte wanted like Bastoni but we failed. Blame club management for other missed targets but not for those who came in
 

SA_Spurs

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It amazes me that people expect a change in coach to be a brighter future.

EVERY single coach we've had has at some point had an issue with the way Levy works.

AVB complained that Levy brought in a load is players he didn't want and ignored players he wanted.

Poch (and his body language) complained that the club needed to behave like a big club and go up a level with players, start to replace quality with quality instead of punts.

Jose couldn't believe he was fired on the eve of a final and made a dig at Levy.

I don't see how people can continue to back Levy. He's proven time and time again to be a huge hindrance on coach's ability to get us over the line.

The coach he had the best relationship with (the perfect coach for him) even got pissed off eventually.

There's no other club that has had that many coaches leaving feeling frustrated, bemused or angry.

Absolutely no-one should be wanting Levy to still be in charge of any footballing decisions.

The club needs new ideas, a new direction and new energy
ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY this! Levy is the single reason we became known as spursy - forever going all the way to the toilet only to take a dump at the door. As the posters said - to dare is (WAY) too dear! It's time he left the club and got someone else in, someone who realises that we can even bigger (with our stadium, etc.) if we won things and grew the actual football brand.
It's pretty royal (no pun intended) for people to say conte out ....he's won wherever he's been because he's been backed wherever he's been (same for Jose) hence if he fails here, its yet another example of DL fucking over the managers & the club only to save a few pennies on transfers and to continously print money at Spurs expense. His track record, he did it to Jol, Redknapp, AVB, Poch, Jose & is doing it live as we speak to Conte. The short, bald very miserly dwarf needs to find snow white quickly!
 

Ledders Army

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Yeah, it feels like Conte needs to win this battle.

The question is who exactly is the cancer.

Is it ENIC as a whole? Or just Levy?
This is the key question for me. Levy gets all the blame but isn’t it ENIC/Lewis who determine what our transfer budget is?
 

JamieSpursCommunityUser

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I've been supremely patient with ENIC and Levy for 20 years, but I've finally had it.

Conte is right.

Our squad is disjointed and not up to it, and many of our fans have false expectations because we had a good run in one competition last season playing one game a week with no injuries.

We got left behind in the summer, and failed to prepare a squad able to handle the demands of this season. 3 windows under Conte and we FAILED to sign a starting RWB, decent ball playing CBs, and a passing midfielder.

Most of our very best XI wouldn't get in any other Top 6 team. Throw in any injuries and we're terrible.

I tell you now Levy's people will be monitoring social media tonight and rubbing their hands - knowing they've got away with it again.

The fans love the soap opera, and will blame the manager. Poch, Mourinho, whoever that other Jorge Mendes cast off was, and now Conte.

Who next? Which paragon of virtue is going to turn Dier, Sanchez, Davies, Doherty, Emerson, Sessegnon, Hojbjerg, and Moura into the world beaters they've never been before?

We're allowing Levy to follow his modus operandi which is to meddle and hang onto players so long that our squad becomes bloated so we can't rebuild, the team fails, replace the manger again, rinse and repeat.

"Winks was worth £40min 2016! Let's send him on loan again! Oh we can't buy a CM we've got too many on loan!" Same rubbish with Wanyama. Same with Sanchez. On and on.

We sold a £50m Right Back and replaced him with several £20m right backs, one we paid to leave for nothing. We've now spent £65m on Right Backs over 5 years and only made the position weaker. Ridiculous. We'll now pass on Porro because we can't shift Emerson. You watch.

What Levy has done to this team since the peak Poch team with his meddling is criminal.

He's a paper billionaire with most of his net worth tied up in the clubs shares, and acts accordingly. The moment we get anywhere he'll take it as a cue to meddle and put his foot on the brakes, rather than cut losses on dead wood so we can push forwards.

The opportunity cost now to the club in missing out on a generation of new fans, and all the exposure and commercial revenue that comes with it is astronomical.

He built us a nice space ship Westfield, but he isn't competent at the job that needs doing now. If Levy worked for Levy he'd have sacked him long ago.

You can change the manager 100 times, it won't matter. We'll never get anywhere with him in charge.

Conte will go and win trophies with a serious football club, and we'll be a mid table investment vehicle.
 

dagraham

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It amazes me that people expect a change in coach to be a brighter future.

EVERY single coach we've had has at some point had an issue with the way Levy works.

AVB complained that Levy brought in a load is players he didn't want and ignored players he wanted.

Poch (and his body language) complained that the club needed to behave like a big club and go up a level with players, start to replace quality with quality instead of punts.

Jose couldn't believe he was fired on the eve of a final and made a dig at Levy.

I don't see how people can continue to back Levy. He's proven time and time again to be a huge hindrance on coach's ability to get us over the line.

The coach he had the best relationship with (the perfect coach for him) even got pissed off eventually.

There's no other club that has had that many coaches leaving feeling frustrated, bemused or angry.

Absolutely no-one should be wanting Levy to still be in charge of any footballing decisions.

The club needs new ideas, a new direction and new energy

Well quite, but it goes back further than that even. Remember Hoddle and Pleat falling out over transfer targets and Jol, Levy and Commoli. Too many fucking committees at Spurs. Always have been.

Plus of course we only really attempt to make serious moves in the transfer market when we’re in a hole and get spooked by the fan reaction and/or missing out financially.
 

gibbospurs

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Mate we’ve got the third oldest squad in the league. It’s madness to think they could cope with Poch’s high intensity style.
We’ve also a lot of younger players that can’t get any game time. Other than Kane and Perisic who else can’t? Holberg is slow granted. Kulu, Rich. Bents Spence sess Gill Son. Bissouma. We are not that old. Perisic punts the average age up. And Hugo.
 

IamSpurtacus

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Blame club management for other missed targets but not for those who came in
And that's the main problem. We always "just miss out"

When ETH didn't get his first choice (de Jong) they brought in a world class alternative, who's made a massive difference to a team that had midfield issues for years. They bought Varane, and then Martinez, to improve their defence.

Jose wanted Skriniar, he got Rodon. We didn't get Bastoni, so we got langlet. We didn't get a RWB so we get a player in the Rodon mould in Spencer - potential but unproven.

It may be Conte didn't want to go for an alternative to Bastoni, or wanted to wait for the summer, which is fair enough,

However, we always seem to miss out on the top target, and then present an alternative that is nowhere near as good - it reeks of a lack of commitment from the top. It happens too often to be coincidence.
 
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-Afri-Coy-

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I've been supremely patient with ENIC and Levy for 20 years, but I've finally had it.

Conte is right.

Our squad is disjointed and not up to it, and many of our fans have false expectations because we had a good run in one competition last season playing one game a week with no injuries.

We got left behind in the summer, and failed to prepare a squad able to handle the demands of this season. 3 windows under Conte and we FAILED to sign a starting RWB, decent ball playing CBs, and a passing midfielder.

Most of our very best XI wouldn't get in any other Top 6 team. Throw in any injuries and we're terrible.

I tell you now Levy's people will be monitoring social media tonight and rubbing their hands - knowing they've got away with it again.

The fans love the soap opera, and will blame the manager. Poch, Mourinho, whoever that other Jorge Mendes cast off was, and now Conte.

Who next? Which paragon of virtue is going to turn Dier, Sanchez, Davies, Doherty, Emerson, Sessegnon, Hojbjerg, and Moura into the world beaters they've never been before?

We're allowing Levy to follow his modus operandi which is to meddle and hang onto players so long that our squad becomes bloated so we can't rebuild, the team fails, replace the manger again, rinse and repeat.

"Winks was worth £40min 2016! Let's send him on loan again! Oh we can't buy a CM we've got too many on loan!" Same rubbish with Wanyama. Same with Sanchez. On and on.

We sold a £50m Right Back and replaced him with several £20m right backs, one we paid to leave for nothing. We've now spent £65m on Right Backs over 5 years and only made the position weaker. Ridiculous. We'll now pass on Porro because we can't shift Emerson. You watch.

What Levy has done to this team since the peak Poch team with his meddling is criminal.

He's a paper billionaire with most of his net worth tied up in the clubs shares, and acts accordingly. The moment we get anywhere he'll take it as a cue to meddle and put his foot on the brakes, rather than cut losses on dead wood so we can push forwards.

The opportunity cost now to the club in missing out on a generation of new fans, and all the exposure and commercial revenue that comes with it is astronomical.

He built us a nice space ship Westfield, but he isn't competent at the job that needs doing now. If Levy worked for Levy he'd have sacked him long ago.

You can change the manager 100 times, it won't matter. We'll never get anywhere with him in charge.

Conte will go and win trophies with a serious football club, and we'll be a mid table investment vehicle.

Sums up the costly mistakes really well.

We didn't adequately replace Toby, Verts, Dembele, Eriksen, Wanyama and Dele (Prime dele not the player became) once we lost them either.
 

chrissivad

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We’ve also a lot of younger players that can’t get any game time. Other than Kane and Perisic who else can’t? Holberg is slow granted. Kulu, Rich. Bents Spence sess Gill Son. Bissouma. We are not that old. Perisic punts the average age up. And Hugo.

And Forster
 

Jody

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Maybe not but the who is that Levy could work with, and who would work with Levy? We've literally got a one man short list.
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LukaKranjcar

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What Conte is saying in that video is absolutely bang on as well. Went in worried i'd be watching him essentially saying goodbye but i've actually come away feeling a little more reassured by what he says and how he said it.

We either behave like the big boys and try to compete or we dont, it really is that simple.

Go out and get 2 top players in January and follow it up with another 3 in the summer. We're either in or out, gamble Tottenham.
 

sundanceyid10

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I’m not particularly happy with the football at the moment, but this isn’t all on Conte. These same problems have been going on long before he got here.
 

JayB

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We’ve also a lot of younger players that can’t get any game time. Other than Kane and Perisic who else can’t? Holberg is slow granted. Kulu, Rich. Bents Spence sess Gill Son. Bissouma. We are not that old. Perisic punts the average age up. And Hugo.
Son is 30 and is in steep decline. I don’t think he could be expected to get up and down the pitch the way he did when he was 25. Kulusevski is a hard worker but rarely lasts the full 90, and is now beginning to have muscle problems. Richarlison couldn’t stay fit in his final season at Everton and has barely been available for us this season. Romero and Sessegnon are both massively injury-prone.

It’s not just Kane, Perisic, and Lloris. We do not have a Pochettino squad IMO.
 

-Afri-Coy-

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What Conte is saying in that video is absolutely bang on as well. Went in worried i'd be watching him essentially saying goodbye but i've actually come away feeling a little more reassured by what he says and how he said it.

We either behave like the big boys and try to compete or we dont, it really is that simple.

Go out and get 2 top players in January and follow it up with another 3 in the summer. We're either in or out, gamble Tottenham.

Porro and say Mckennie for example in January could have the same impact as Bentancur and Deki.

In the summer we target a world class CB, new GK, RWF understudy and if greed allows LWF understudy to Son.

That team would look so much better, both to compete and long term.
 

Ledders Army

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I think the issue sounds like Levy is the one deciding who the budget is spent on
If that’s the case then it’s definitely time for him to go. Set the transfer/wage budget for January & the summer (one for if we make top 4 one for if we don’t) & if Conte & Paratici are happy with it leave them to spend it
 
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