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Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

Stuart Leathercock

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In the season when the Europa League was played as a mini tournament after the league season had finished and so had 0 impact on the league season. And they made all the ties single legs.

The domestic cup you keep chucking in adds up to a total of 4 extra games. 4.

Go on, have a third crack at "completely destroying" my argument.
But didn't they still have to play all of those CL group games?
 

-Afri-Coy-

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Perisic was old last season too, and he scored twice in Cup final in 102nd and 99th minute. I can walk 20 miles today and be less tired than after sprinting for 100m. You are all wrong mate.

Let’s not kid ourselves, neither of us is walking 20 miles :sneaky:

More to the point

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Im not wrong at all, if anything La Liga is only 5% less intense than the PL, but do it for longer distances so you could probably average it out to being the same.

Pep himself said that you can’t even compare intensity between the Bundesliga, PL and La Liga they are that close together.

That doesn’t make the PL THAT much better than the rest. It makes it marginally better, if at all.

And La Liga teams have won more European titles than English teams have, which means they playing more games across a season on average than PL teams do.
 

GutBucket

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Let’s not kid ourselves, neither of us is walking 20 miles :sneaky:

More to the point

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Im not wrong at all, if anything La Liga is only 5% less intense than the PL, but do it for longer distances so you could probably average it out to being the same.

Pep himself said that you can’t even compare intensity between the Bundesliga, PL and La Liga they are that close together.

That doesn’t make the PL THAT much better than the rest. It makes it marginally better, if at all.

And La Liga teams have won more European titles than English teams have, which means they playing more games across a season on average than PL teams do.


Let me share the one that literally mentions intensity, not volume. You are right though, 10 miles is my limit.


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Stuart Leathercock

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Let’s not kid ourselves, neither of us is walking 20 miles :sneaky:

More to the point

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Im not wrong at all, if anything La Liga is only 5% less intense than the PL, but do it for longer distances so you could probably average it out to being the same.

Pep himself said that you can’t even compare intensity between the Bundesliga, PL and La Liga they are that close together.

That doesn’t make the PL THAT much better than the rest. It makes it marginally better, if at all.

And La Liga teams have won more European titles than English teams have, which means they playing more games across a season on average than PL teams do.
5% is quite a lot in the world of professional sport
 

Nebby

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Or maybe because arteta felt backed and supported, wasn’t being messed around on a contract and was listened to on targets…
If spending £172m on players isn’t backing the manager, I don’t know what is.
 

-Afri-Coy-

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In the season when the Europa League was played as a mini tournament after the league season had finished and so had 0 impact on the league season. And they made all the ties single legs.

The domestic cup you keep chucking in adds up to a total of 4 extra games. 4.

Go on, have a third crack at "completely destroying" my argument.


Literal match by match analysis for his entire Inter career, most of which is more than the 1 game a week you said he can manage. He can manage 2 games a week if the squad can.
 

Spursfan1414

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Literal match by match analysis for his entire Inter career, most of which is more than the 1 game a week you said he can manage. He can manage 2 games a week if the squad can.
But he didn't manage. He crashed out the Champions League at the group stage both times, he was 4th in his group the season he won the league. Yeah they played twice a week then but he didn't manage to get his team to perform in both of them.
 

-Afri-Coy-

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Let me share the one that literally mentions intensity, not volume. You are right though, 10 miles is my limit.


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5 miles for me mate.

Fair enough, it may be more intense than other leagues depending on the studies you look at but again, it’s probably by a factor of around 5%. The problem is that these studies take speed into account for intensity, speed is a personal thing to each player so it may skew the results a bit.
 

djhotspur

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Interesting for all the bitching and moaning we chad an xG of 2.32 against arsenal. Yet we are apparently some crap attacking side according to people on here
 

Albertbarich

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Could it be as simple as we were shit before Bentancour and Kuluveski and when they're out we go back to being shit again?

With both of them back I expect some better form.
 

-Afri-Coy-

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But he didn't manage. He crashed out the Champions League at the group stage both times, he was 4th in his group the season he won the league. Yeah they played twice a week then but he didn't manage to get his team to perform in both of them.

Fair enough, you did say he can’t manage CL and a league together and he should change something with our team. I misread it, I thought you meant one game a week in general not specifically the CL.

I don’t think there are any managers that can manage and win both, and if they do it’s for a single season or two at best unless you’re Real Madrid but they’re an anomaly.

I just don’t think changing to a 3 man midfield helps that much. If anything it could expose our defence even more.
 

wadewill

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Interesting for all the bitching and moaning we chad an xG of 2.32 against arsenal. Yet we are apparently some crap attacking side according to people on here

The problem with the Arsenal game and nearly every game this season has been the piss poor first half. Its unacceptable to keep making the same mistakes, surrendering games and having to come back

They were in cruise control for most of that second half
 

cjbyid

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Could it be as simple as we were shit before Bentancour and Kuluveski and when they're out we go back to being shit again?

With both of them back I expect some better form.

Well they are both levels above alot of our players.

For me they both show a level that we're lacking in the rest of the squad except with the likes of Kane, Romero etc.
 

-Afri-Coy-

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The problem with the Arsenal game and nearly every game this season has been the piss poor first half. Its unacceptable to keep making the same mistakes, surrendering games and having to come back

They were in cruise control for most of that second half

And this is what it boils down too. I don’t think Conte has sat there for 10 games + in a row and told the players to keep doing that and to keep making the same mistakes whether individual or as a collective. It defies belief.

The reason why I don’t blame him as much, is you could take some games from Mourinho’s games and they are a carbon copy to what we’re seeing in games today.

Unless Conte is using JM’s old notebook, it looks like we have to blame the players for the first half bullshit we see.

I know someone is going to say their tactics are the same and that couldn’t be further from the truth.
 

Spursfan1414

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Fair enough, you did say he can’t manage CL and a league together and he should change something with our team. I misread it, I thought you meant one game a week in general not specifically the CL.

I don’t think there are any managers that can manage and win both, and if they do it’s for a single season or two at best unless you’re Real Madrid but they’re an anomaly.

I just don’t think changing to a 3 man midfield helps that much. If anything it could expose our defence even more.
I think it is a general problem, prior to this season, if you compare Conte's points per game in games where he had 5+ days rest vs those where he had less there is consistently a huge difference. I do think other coaches are capable of putting teams out who can make their system work with multiple games per week, even if they don't end up winning the double doing it.

My opinion is that a 3 man midfield would make our defence less exposed, not more, because we'd be putting fires out before they reach our defence. It will also allow us to dominate possession more and win second balls. The 3 CBs may make our defence stronger but they make us weaker as a unit because we can't retain the ball or compete against 3 man midfields with similar fitness/fatigue levels.
 
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