Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

tony0379 said:

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I mean, sounds like a better deal than being at Spurs right now!

The latest narrative hitting the shelves...

oh Conte is highly distressed after all his close losses. The spin doctors are going overtime.

Pekoni said:

Caso Plusvalenze, Juventus penalizzata di 15 punti

Juventus unico club a processo per il caso plusvalenze: dopo il primo filone d'indagine, ufficiali 15 punti di penalizzazione ai bianconeri

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13:51 - Prosecutor Chiné has asked for 9 penalty points for Juventus, as well as 16 months of inhibition for Agnelli, 20 months and 10 days for Paratici, 10 months for Cherubini, 12 months for all the other directors. However, the Court of Appeal will still have to decide whether to reopen the trial. If so, it will decide on the sanctions required by the federal prosecutor's office. For the other 8 clubs and their respective managers, the prosecutor Chiné has asked for fines.

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Interesting that Paratici has the biggest 'inhibition' of them all - they clearly think he's the worst of the lot. Maybe that's part of the reason he high-tailed it to London?

Not sure how much this will affect us in the short term though. Will he immediately walk/get sacked? Or will we wait for the appeal, etc?

To be fair, "our dealings man might be going to prison" is a pretty reasonable excuse for our lack of business this window.

Timberwolf said:

I mean that's pretty damn harsh.

Paratici definitely isn't perfect and has made a few questionable decisions: were Royal and Gil the best investments at the time? WTF was the Nuno appointment? Gattuso?!

But beyond that he's probably, pound for pound, been the best DoF we've had. Kulu, Romero and Bentacur were all massive upgrades and good value. Sarr and Udogie both look very promising indeed, and he managed to attract Conte, a manager who at the time was well out of our league, and got us 4th place when we were looking absolutely fucked.

And do you think it's easy to get rid of players like Winks, Ndombele, Lo Celso and Dele Alli when no club in the world will offer them close to the wages we've had them on?? He's done well to even get them loans as quickly and decisively as he did TBH. Most of them would still be here if Levy was fully in charge.

I'd say he's actually overperformed given the short time he's been at the club and if it wasn't for him we'd be far, far worse off.

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Yeah I think this is right.

It’s also worth remembering that under another DOF we bought players like Bale, Modric, Corluka and Kaboul and still looked pretty much clueless until suddenly we weren’t.

FinnYid said:

Just saying how it is. Unless Levy gets an actual strategy instead of desperate trophy hunting via "elite managers" we are in the loop. And wether we keep Conte for bit longer or back him with all we can won't change it.

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You're finding it difficult to grasp it seems. No matter who the manager is, no matter what there profile and style is and no matter what players they want none of it will be relevant. It won't be relevant because they won't be good enough to get the current players playing, they won't have the players for their profile or style and won't get the players they want or need for their profile/style.

Therefore no matter how many times you try and say a strategy will never work with Conte or Win now managers you are overlooking the most important part of all of this. There is no clear defined strategy that the club follow 100%. They hire a winner to not give him what he wants. They start a 5 year project with someone like Pochettino who don't get what they want.

Timberwolf said:

I mean that's pretty damn harsh.

Paratici definitely isn't perfect and has made a few questionable decisions: were Royal and Gil the best investments at the time? WTF was the Nuno appointment? Gattuso?!

But beyond that he's probably, pound for pound, been the best DoF we've had. Kulu, Romero and Bentacur were all massive upgrades and good value. Sarr and Udogie both look very promising indeed, and he managed to attract Conte, a manager who at the time was well out of our league, and got us 4th place when we were looking absolutely fucked.

And do you think it's easy to get rid of players like Winks, Ndombele, Lo Celso and Dele Alli when no club in the world will offer them close to the wages we've had them on?? He's done well to even get them loans as quickly and decisively as he did TBH. Most of them would still be here if Levy was fully in charge.

I'd say he's actually overperformed given the short time he's been at the club and if it wasn't for him we'd be far, far worse off.

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The guy that attracted Conte knowing full well what demands he will have to build a winning team, yet knew it was never achievable with Levy in charge? And now what 18 months down the line it is all falling to pieces.

I just think his reputation on this Board is too high and some questions should also be chucked his way.

Timberwolf said:

Interesting that Paratici has the biggest 'inhibition' of them all - they clearly think he's the worst of the lot. Maybe that's part of the reason he high-tailed it to London?

Not sure how much this will affect us in the short term though. Will he immediately walk/get sacked? Or will we wait for the appeal, etc?

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maybe we can send him to a country without Extradition laws to do some cooking

ILS said:

The guy that attracted Conte knowing full well what demands he will have to build a winning team, yet knew it was never achievable with Levy in charge? And now what 18 months down the line it is all falling to pieces.

I just think his reputation on this Board is too high and some questions should also be chucked his way.

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I'd happily fuck off all of them but if you don't think that Levy had the ultimate say in Conte coming in and knew what he was getting the. You're mad.

ILS said:

The guy that attracted Conte knowing full well what demands he will have to build a winning team, yet knew it was never achievable with Levy in charge? And now what 18 months down the line it is all falling to pieces.

I just think his reputation on this Board is too high and some questions should also be chucked his way.

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I think he was stuck between a rock and a hard place.

It was October, the team was in shambles and his initial appointment was a disaster. There were barely any decent managers on the market and we desperately needed someone who could turn the team around and win over our star striker who was itching to leave,

Conte was easily the best manager we feasibly could've got at that moment and getting top 4 last season really was an amazing achievement.

If you want to blame him for managerial appointments, Nuno is the big fuck up, not Conte. Or Levy for not going hard for Ten Hag early in the window.

When people say the word 'spursy' it isn't losing to Villa at home, it isn't losing a cup final.

That happens to many teams.

Is exactly what is happening with Paratici and Conte.

A potentially excellent partnership that could help Tottenham finally win something.

Except the coach who was brought in to win isnt being backed and the sporting director is potentially off to prison.

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Trix said:

HE DOESN'T SIGN THE CHEQUES OR HAVE THE FINAL CALL.

Honestly are some of you lot on Levy's payroll or something?

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No neither does Brighton's Sporting Director or Fulham's or Newcastle's or even Edu. Yet an argument could be made that they are out performing Fabio in the transfer market to obtain the players their clubs require...no?

Trix said:

Fuck me, how hard is it to understand. If we hired a manager on minimum wage we'd still not get the players required because that's not how we operate under Daniel, he literally gets the least he can possibly get away with.

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And this right here is why Levy needs to move on.

He can't and won't change.

We may have more money but it will continue to be a struggle for any manager to get the players they want and need.

Example.
We can afford £20 million outlay on players. Manager finds a player within that bracket, club quoted at £20 million but then Levy tries to knock club down to £15 million or suggests an alternative at £10 million.

Club can now afford £40 million on a player, identified a player for £40 million but Levy offers a player swap or comes back at £30 million, or suggests we should buy an alternative for £25 million. In the end we lose out again.

All the messing about means we take an age to get a playwr over the line and often miss out, having wasted weeks negotiating.

You just need to look at Grealish when we could have had him for a knockdown price. Rather than snap their hand off, Levy thought Villa are in trouble i can get another £5 million off his price tag by waiting til they are even more desperate.

13VanDerBale13 said:

The same fans who are unable to grasp it, will be the same fans complaining in a year with the new manager, whilst we’re still under this ownership.

Never ending vicious cycle, which all ends the same way (managers being the fall guys)

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At least we can call them out and say I told you so. It’s the only win we have!

tony0379 said:

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Can anyone who understands legal speak please explain this to me?

Does this mean he can no longer perform his duties for us during this period?

jimbo said:

I wonder if the posters who complain about Conte saying nice things publicly about his players are the same ones that complained about Mourinho throwing them under the bus?

"Conte Out! He said Dier is good! Dier is rubbish!"
"Mourinho Out! He said Dier is shit! How's that going to help his fragile confidence?"

Has a whiff of 'you're not my real dad' about it to me.

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Yeah, that's what I'm striking at. Whatever he feels in private, calling your players shit in public loses the dressing room.

FinnYid said:

Club will probably hire a manager yet again for all the wrong reasons, but at least there will be short honeymoon. Every now and then Levy hasn't time to hunt these "serial winners" and thus we end up on happier times by accident. Examples in the past are evident.

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So you'd happily let the club roll the dice with no plan, structure, intent on backing the manager, strategy, succession planning, direction or ambition in the hope that we might get there by happy accident, and won't end up in the same position in 12-18 months time?

Mega...


From what we know, we wanted Conte before Nuno. That didn't happen because of likely shenanigans and the board were clearly not comfortable matching his ambitions. Nuno was a complete failure as many predicted he would be. Feels like the board went after Conte in a panic after fan unrest, and promised him the earth in a snidey, devious plot to secure his services, knowing full well what they were getting into without ever having the intent or appetite to make good on their promises to him. They knew they could hang him out to dry, spin the PR machine and hope the fans are blinded by it. Seems to be working on some...

Conte has been pretty clear/transparent throughout. He has said how long it'll take, how the squad needs improving, how far we are off competing and (as much as he can get away with) what the issues are with the club upstairs.

It seems to me that Conte would love to tell the fans how it really is, but there is only so much he can say. Whilst he is manager, there is a chance that all of the shenanigans, underhandedness, lack of ambition and breaking of promises may be brought to light.
To lose Conte is to lose hope that things may change for the better at this club. He has the gravitas, the credibility and the bloody mindedness to actually challenge the fuckers that run/own this club and unearth it for the shit show it is. If he walks, we lose. If he is sacked, it's a very bad look for the club. We hired him KNOWING his demands. The club will look (and rightly so) like fucking con artists.

Actigvely wanting him sacked is a shortsighted, impulsive, ant-like chemical response hit of instant gratification based on hope that we may ACCIDENTALLY hire a manger that oversees a SHORT TERM upturn in results or performances, whilst simultaneously putting the real problems on the back burner for us to have another attempt at "solving" in 12 months time when all the poor planning, failure to properly back the manager, and rudderless ownership rear their ugly head again.

"But we just want to watch entertaining football".

Bullshit.

No one would be happy when they're getting "bantered" by their mates because "Entertaining Football FC" are sitting in 14th in the table.

You'd all be clamouring for the manager to be sacked again...

Rinse and fucking repeat.

Support/back Conte. He's the glimmer of hope for a better Spurs.

Dakes said:

Can anyone who understand legal speak please explain this to me?

Does this mean he can no longer perform his duties for us during this period?

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Fabio is getting incarnated until 1st February then Levy will bail him out and Fabio can pay him back in installments?

Timberwolf said:

I think he was stuck between a rock and a hard place.

It was October, the team was in shambles and his initial appointment was a disaster. There were barely any decent managers on the market and we desperately needed someone who could turn the team around and win over our star striker who was itching to leave,

Conte was easily the best manager we feasibly could've got at that moment and getting top 4 last season really was an amazing achievement.

If you want to blame him for managerial appointments, Nuno is the big fuck up, not Conte. Or Levy for not going hard for Ten Hag early in the window.

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He is in charge of the football strategy for this club whatever the transfer budget is and whoever is charge with negotiating transfer fees. I just don't see how he is any improvement on what we have had previously before in this role.

I may be going in on him too early and be proven wrong, which wouldn't be the first time. However, I just feel that we need a clear direction and at the moment I feel he is part of the problem rather than the solution.