Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

tony0379 said:

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Another Levy error. How can he have appointed him without doing some due diligence on the man? What if he’s been up to equally dodgy stuff with us? That would surely be an actual sacking offence for Levy???

tony0379 said:

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Thank you for Romero, Bentancur and Kulusevski. No way we’d have any of them if not for Paratici

ILS said:

No neither does Brighton's Sporting Director or Fulham's or Newcastle's or even Edu. Yet an argument could be made that they are out performing Fabio in the transfer market to obtain the players their clubs require...no?

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Jesus Christ this is too hard.... None of those clubs have Daniel fucking Levy making the final decisions though do they.

Is it really so hard to work out. He's like Keyser Soze to some of you lot.

RuskyM said:

To be fair, "our dealings man might be going to prison" is a pretty reasonable excuse for our lack of business this window.

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In all seriousness, I wonder if this is at least partly behind Conte's "you need to speak to others at the club about transfers" spiel..

EDIT: If this is as serious as it looks I'd imagine Paratici isn't entirely focussed on his day job right now.

DiVaio said:

Poch was brilliant manager for us, but after 5 years it burned out. It's complely normal. Mourinho was bad manager which basically didn't improve single player here. It just didn't work for Nuno, maybe the club was too big or something else.

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Poch burned out after years of managing a declining team. He had nothing new to teach them.

He wanted rid of Wanyama, Rose etc but the club refused because they didn't want to face a painful and expensive rebuilt.

Levy thought he knew best, kicked the can down the road, and began our terminal decline.

Mourinho didn't improve the same players Poch wasn't improving, Nuno didn't improve, and Conte hasn't improved.

How many players have they improved in their careers? Do we seriously think this is a coaching problem?

Nuno was only here because the club didn't have a plan, and the word was out that Levy is difficult to work with.

DiVaio said:

To be honest I don't understand this argument that we have 9th highest revenue without also mentioning there are 4 other PL clubs with higher revenue than ours.

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That lot down the road are top with lower revenues than ours. Their owners are business people too. They have an ambitious plan and are executing it aggressively.

They pushed players out, stuck to the technical blueprint for signings undistracted by chasing bargains, and were prepared to act quickly and decisively to take hits on any transfer mistakes and keep moving forward.

We had a massive advantage on them this summer both in revenues and CL football, and we've squandered it.

Go back and look at what AVB said about the Bale 7. It's more or less exactly what we did this summer. Exactly. We bought mostly investments and temp fillers. Richarlison aside, we didn't attack the problems. Throw in some new problems with Lloris and Son and we've fallen apart.

DiVaio said:

Ok, it's Levy's fault he didn't spend 300m and our squad isn't the best in the league.

But it's definitely not his fault that this squad made 10 points in last 10 PL games and conceded the most goals itl during this period, or that we we went 2 goals behind in 8 games from our last 14 games(plus another 3 games when we conceded first) in all competitions, or that until this City game last time we were winning after 1st half was 12th October, or that our 1st squad was knocked from Carabao by 2nd Forrest team or that we were nearly knocked out from Champions League. This is massive underperfoming for the coach that should be sacked.

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This is a straw man argument. The issue with Levy isn't that he didn't spend £300m we didn't have.

I want us to spend, with ambition and discipline within the tactical and technical vision of the coach. Spend what we can afford. No more, no less.

The argument on Levy is the interfering on players out, and players in.

Sticking to bad investments until they stink the place out. Rigidly buying low and selling high.

If we're a big club we can afford to replace a £50m RB we sold 5 years ago with a £40m back 2, 3, 4 windows ago.

We've wasted more time, money, and opportunity cost trying to replace Walker on the cheap, and refusing to do what it takes to move our mistakes on.

We don't act decisively and assertively if a player won't leave. We're a soft touch and they know it. So they ride it out until the next manager arrives and the cycle starts again.

This culture has been created by the Board's actions.

The sad thing is it's within Levy's power to change this if he wanted. But he's either unable or willing to change. So I want him gone.

spursfan77 said:

Another Levy error. How can he have appointed him without doing some due diligence on the man? What if he’s been up to equally dodgy stuff with us? That would surely be an actual sacking offence for Levy???

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He was to enamoured with his plate spinning that he didn't get that far.

spursfan77 said:

Another Levy error. How can he have appointed him without doing some due diligence on the man? What if he’s been up to equally dodgy stuff with us? That would surely be an actual sacking offence for Levy???

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If that's the case, hopefully Levy also gets an inhibition and we can get him out (I'm still not sure what the inhibition equates to in legal speak)

spursfan77 said:

Another Levy error. How can he have appointed him without doing some due diligence on the man? What if he’s been up to equally dodgy stuff with us? That would surely be an actual sacking offence for Levy???

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Imagine that in the actual real world where most of us live. Imagine before hiring anyone into your business you asked if they had ever been convicted of an offence. They said no, and you checked it out…they were telling the truth. But wait…you want to be super sure so you conduct your own investigation into their past dealings that is more in depth and scrutinous than a police investigation just to make absolutely sure. At that point you spot something dodgy so don’t employ them, and then have a convenient way around employment law to explain that to the person.

Seems like Levy has failed us yet again.

I’m being sarcastic in case you can’t tell. There are many sticks to beat him with, don’t pick this one.

ILS said:

He is in charge of the football strategy for this club whatever the transfer budget is and whoever is charge with negotiating transfer fees. I just don't see how he is any improvement on what we have had previously before in this role.

I may be going in on him too early and be proven wrong, which wouldn't be the first time. However, I just feel that we need a clear direction and at the moment I feel he is part of the problem rather than the solution.

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I think the main issue was bringing in an Italian DoF with a preference for pragmatic, defensive football and managers, after Levy spent the summer promising a return to attacking possession football.

That immediately created a massive disconnect and forced us into the terrible Nuno appointment after we fucked about half the summer before Paratici arrived.

So again, the issue is with Levy. If you want attacking, possession football, don't bring in a DoF with a completely different approach to football. Or don't promise attacking football in the first place and spend half the summer negotiating with managers the new DoF won't like.

(still think his signings have largely been good and Conte made sense at the time, though)

Trix said:

Is it really so hard to work out. He's like Keyser Soze to some of you lot.

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Hilarious

ILS said:

He was to enamoured with his plate spinning that he didn't get that far.

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The "plate spinning" was largely completely invented by an SC user with a burner account.

spursfan77 said:

At least we can call them out and say I told you so. It’s the only win we have!

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You can probably do that now since most of them are probably the same ones that wanted rid of Poch and Jose.

Well they’re asking for Paratici to be suspended for 20 months.
He’s not suspended yet and that case still has to go to trial.

So common sense says it makes no difference for us right now and he can continue his usual duties for us until told otherwise.

Ginola+Tonic said:

Well they’re asking for Paratici to be suspended for 20 months.
He’s not suspended yet and that case still has to go to trial.

So common sense says it makes no difference for us right now and he can continue his usual duties for us until told otherwise.

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I like Paratici and majority of his signings and without himn we dont get Conte and then UCL football.

But the club just doesnt need this lingering over them for months upon end?

Dakes said:

Can anyone who understands legal speak please explain this to me?

Does this mean he can no longer perform his duties for us during this period?

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Fabs gonna do porridge mate.but it’s gonna be goodfellas type porridge. Hookers coming in and out. Some nice hams/Chianti and sex visits from levy ?

Trix said:

Jesus Christ this is too hard.... None of those clubs have Daniel fucking Levy making the decisions though do they.

Is it really so hard to work out. He's like Keyser Size to some of you lot.

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You clearly have a massive hard-on for fucking Levy off which to an extent I fully agree with you.

However, Did Levy scout Emerson Royal? Did Levy offer Lenglet up as alternative? Did Levy look at 5ft 6 winger from Spain and thought... he looks ready for the Premier League? Did Levy dig out and old VHS off the good old days when Nuno's Valencia once played attacking football?

So surely you have to admit he is too blame for some of the poor decisions made by this club since he was appointed?

Nerine said:

The "plate spinning" was largely completely invented by an SC user with a burner account.

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I thought it was a midget Brazilian World Cup Winner?

If it's true that Paratici is going to prison, then it would make sense to hire Zoran Mamic as manager. The two of them can then manage things from the clink. We've seen what a Zoran team can do.

Ginola+Tonic said:

Well they’re asking for Paratici to be suspended for 20 months.
He’s not suspended yet and that case still has to go to trial.

So common sense says it makes no difference for us right now and he can continue his usual duties for us until told otherwise.

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I wonder if he will negotiate his own release clause?

HildoSpur said:

I think some people, we need to understand, are very very stupid.

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Stupid is a bit harsh but some people are not good at thinking bigger picture, they get lost with what’s purely in front of them.