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Led Revolver · Mar 7, 2023

If all this pans out as our ITK’s are suggesting, the most depressing thing in all this for me is that we’ve been confirmed as a small time club with a small time mentality by 2 seasoned winners in Mourinho and Conte, and everyone who’s worth anything in football has witnessed it and taken note. Talk about washing your dirty laundry in public!

Embarrassing doesn’t even come close. Shame on those on the board!

Mr Pink · Mar 7, 2023

I was initially skeptical of Poch returning.

But fuck it, I want some fun back in our football...and I think we'll see that immediately if he returns.

YB123 · Mar 7, 2023

Led Revolver said:
The most depressing thing in all this for me is that we’ve been confirmed as a small time club with a small time mentality but 2 seasoned winners in Mourinho and Conte, and everyone who’s worth anything in football has witnessed it and taken note.

Embarrassing doesn’t even come close. Shame on those on the board!

If people dont think its all about the money with ENIC and Levy then wow.

Top 4 and the financial benefits will always be most important over silverware

mil1lion · Mar 7, 2023

spursfan77 said:
I saw the other week that he'd taken up golf with Ossie. If there is no other example of him being fucking bored with doing nothing, it is taking up that awfully tedious sport!

Well that also shows his connection is to us and our legend is still there. He's obviously very happy in London and the lifestyle over here. I imagine he will work in England but is likely waiting to see what happens with us first.

Thenewcat · Mar 7, 2023

kremlyn said:
In his last reign he ran that team into the ground. We had numerous injuries and by the end of it the players were running on fumes. Eriksen was done, Dembele was broken, Walker had gone, Rose was defeated, Wanyama had gone too. It was the end of Dele and Kane was crocked up to the champions League final. I hated the fact that he left but I also saw that it just couldn't continue

Not really seeing this to be honest. Eriksen wasn’t done, he’s been a really good player since. He was frustrated at the team not moving forwards (as was Poch of course). Dembele breaking wasn’t caused by Poch IMO - he just wasn’t that robust. Wanyama fucked his knee and Kane had ankle injuries that were impact based. None of this was the result of Poch’s pressing. I completely agree the squad needed a refresh that it didn’t get, but if properly backed there is no reason you can’t keep up that style. Liverpool are 7 years into gegenpressing and I think it’s widely accepted their travails this season are down to not refreshing the midfield in particular. I would hope a levy Poch reunion would lead to both realising the grass isn’t always greener, and levy properly backing the most successful manager he has had

mil1lion · Mar 7, 2023

mattspur1986 said:
yeah, and how did those 2 pan out?

What I mean is he obviously has 2 massively successful managers to pick up from. They may have struggled here but there's no doubt Mason is learning. That's often how these managers develop by working with top managers and then incorporating some of what they learned into their methods. I'm not suggesting Mason yet BTW but just saying he's on a good path to possibly become a quality manager.

Timberwolf · Mar 7, 2023

kremlyn said:
I used to like his formational tweaks! But I think they were born of necessity like moving Dier to the anchor role was mainly because we ran out of Dembeles

I think his basic formation is a 4231 and he'll tweak as he learns more about his players.

Pochs only limitation remains his awful substitutions. Again, that might change with the 5 subs rule and a better bench.

He did well with them at first. The switch to 3-4-2-1 almost saw us win the league and we played some of our best football thanks to that change.

But in the years that followed the formation changes seemed to make less and less sense and we got further and further from the principles that made us successful in the first place. I just wonder how much of that was Poch overthinking things and how much was down to him being forced to play Sissoko/Winks in the middle and our complete and utter failure to recruit well/refresh the squad.

Timberwolf · Mar 7, 2023

Thenewcat said:
Not really seeing this to be honest. Eriksen wasn’t done, he’s been a really good player since. He was frustrated at the team not moving forwards (as was Poch of course). Dembele breaking wasn’t caused by Poch IMO - he just wasn’t that robust. Wanyama fucked his knee and Kane had ankle injuries that were impact based. None of this was the result of Poch’s pressing. I completely agree the squad needed a refresh that it didn’t get, but if properly backed there is no reason you can’t keep up that style. Liverpool are 7 years into gegenpressing and I think it’s widely accepted their travails this season are down to not refreshing the midfield in particular. I would hope a levy Poch reunion would lead to both realising the grass isn’t always greener, and levy properly backing the most successful manager he has had

Yeah Poch was very vocal about the need to refresh the squad and wanted to move on some players but a certain Daniel wasn't keen on this idea and also wasn't willing to spend big money on top players.

I'm sure Poch is at least partially to blame, but I think our reluctance to either move anyone on or sign anyone decent was a much bigger problem that "Poch running the squad into the ground".

What Lies Beneath · Mar 7, 2023

Mr Pink said:
I was initially skeptical of Poch returning.

But fuck it, I want some fun back in our football...and I think we'll see that immediately if he returns.

Yeh fuck it init haha

.. he’s magic only happens if don and poch agree to working together . You can’t rule out conte not being here tho everything is speculation atm and nothing has been decided yet . If it gets more toxic you know how it works

kremlyn · Mar 7, 2023

Timberwolf said:
He did well with them at first. The switch to 3-4-2-1 almost saw us win the league and we played some of our best football thanks to that change.

But in the years that followed the formation changes seemed to make less and less sense and we got further and further from the principles that made us successful in the first place. I just wonder how much of that was Poch overthinking things and how much was down to him being forced to play Sissoko/Winks in the middle and our complete and utter failure to recruit well/refresh the squad.

I don't disagree.

The changes 8n hindsight were probably him trying to freshen things up while not actually being able to freshen the squad.

Mutton dressed as lamb I guess.

What Lies Beneath · Mar 7, 2023

I think the only way we get it right is by bringing in Tottenham people in the hierarchy from dof down to academy. We need proper spurs people not Hollywood names that fail at this post . It’s working for the scum with edu arteta mertesacker . I can see Hugo taking dons post in a few years in honesty

felmani26 · Mar 7, 2023

What Lies Beneath said:
I think the only way we get it right is by bringing in Tottenham people in the hierarchy from dof down to academy. We need proper spurs people not Hollywood names that fail at this post . It’s working for the scum with edu arteta mertesacker . I can see Hugo taking dons post in a few years in honesty

Disagree.

We don't need 'Tottenham people', we need competent people all working towards a common goal.

spursfan77 · Mar 7, 2023

mil1lion said:
Well that also shows his connection is to us and our legend is still there. He's obviously very happy in London and the lifestyle over here. I imagine he will work in England but is likely waiting to see what happens with us first.

There are some rumours about Real Madrid, but I really don't believe they would go for him right now.

I think 3 years is long enough so don't really get the "don't go back" argument. He's not a philandering husband wanting to be welcomed back into the marital home, there will be plenty of people happy to genuinely see him back, rather than it being a convenience to keep the family together. Although now I've written that, there are similarities!

Ghost Hardware · Mar 7, 2023

Hercules said:
Those wishing for Poch will be in for a big suprise in my opinion, and not a good one.

Not that i particularly want Poch but the second part sounds vastly encouraging....

Styopa · Mar 7, 2023

RuskyM said:
Issue is Brighton are currently the best they've ever been; there's this tacit acceptance that the best players will go, as annoying as it is. Not sure the same would be accepted at a club that wants to be seen as big and not bullied - rightly in some cases, wrongly in others.

The funny thing is that whilst selling players used to be our problem, not selling them is now an even bigger problem. Not just the players everyone wants gone either. Arugably we have held onto some of our best players too long.

Looking back, we sold Carrick but replaced him with Modric within two years who we then replaced with Dembele. We sold Bale and although a lot of the money was spent poorly, we did bring in Eriksen. Carrick, Modric and Bale were all incredible players but we moved forward without them.

Trix · Mar 7, 2023

Hercules said:
Those wishing for Poch will be in for a big suprise in my opinion, and not a good one.

You could well be right mate. It's the only name I've even heard as per our conversation, which is ominous in itself such is the lack of planning involved.

felmani26 · Mar 7, 2023

Ghost Hardware said:
Not that i particularly want Poch but the second part sounds vastly encouraging....

Surely the suggestion is Poch either doesn't want the job or (more plausible) the board have overruled the notion.

Ledders Army · Mar 7, 2023

only1waddle said:
We largely got Conte because of Paratici, you're the last poster that should be talking about other people underestimating any

leray said:
Brentford were actually a pretty possession-based side in the Championship, but since the start of 2021 Frank changed them to a more direct, long-ball side perhaps maximizing his team chances in the play-offs and then in the Premier League.

He's a flexible coach with good soft skills, he's created a great culture around the team, but he thrives in a club that knows what it wants to be and has a clear strategy.

Not sure he would fit in such chaotic environment like we have here.

A flexible coach who changes tactics depending on strength of squad or who they're playing against? Would never work. I want a coach with one way of playing & only one way

Timberwolf · Mar 7, 2023

felmani26 said:
Surely the suggestion is Poch either doesn't want the job or (more plausible) the board have overruled the notion.

My read on it was that Poch mk2 will end up being a disappointment for fans excited about his return.

felmani26 · Mar 7, 2023

Timberwolf said:
My read on it was that Poch mk2 will end up being a disappointment for fans excited about his return.

If so, I fully share the same sentiment

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