Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

SpursJord · Mar 20, 2023

It's at a point now for me where it all just feels untenable. To much is happening off the pitch regarding the Board, Manager and Players that in my opinion if it isn't just stopped by his inevitable sacking then it will affect performances. How can it not? There is already clearly issues behind the scenes in the team, amongst themselves and Conte. Right now at this very moment in the season I genuinely believe we would be better off with Ryan Mason in charge, at least he will likely be able to bring back a bit of unity and stability to the club.

It's also okay to say that Conte was right and that may be a fair assessment but one he doesn't take enough of the blame for his part in all of this and two he only adds to the problems in my opinion. Poor football, not committing and now calling everyone out in public. I have even seen Italian Journalists saying this is one of his worst rants yet.

parj · Mar 20, 2023

spursfan77 said:
When the owner is having breakfast in the training ground canteen mixing daily with the players then it’s no wonder there’s no fear of him. If I was manager it’s the first thing I’d ask. You as the chairman need to be figure of fear and respect. Not handing out the fucking bacon sarnies.

But this is why when he has a knee-jerk reaction, I believe there has to be something behind it. He can sense the mood, he can see it change. Does it undermine the manager a little, yes, but if the manager is undermining the club then it goes both ways. Conte, Jose, Poch and Redknapp all said things publicly whilst in charge, which whilst correct undermined the club so I don't care if they get undermined by Levy sitting there having breakfast.

If managers and players want more money, show Levy that they deserve it. He literally right there

chas vs dave · Mar 20, 2023

YB123 said:
Oh come on! We are 3-1 up 15mins left, to a team with both centre halves out, no manager, worst home form in league, 20th in the league!

Could say how do you spin this into accepting its not the worst result in the world. Its an absolute shocker!

We were 3-1 up for about 4 minutes. The context of the game changed, because we conceded sloppy goals within minutes of scoring.

I'm not happy with the result. I'm not happy with the way we play. We sat deep.

Southampton had only one recognised cb from 30 minutes onwards. Conte didn't do anything tactically about this.

We were undone by Southamptons more pro active subs. Sounds similar to wolves?

Conte then proceeds to blame everyone else for his inability to see what is happening.

I'm not accepting mediocrity, however we have dropped points in a similar fashion because of a lack of adaptability.

richard_gleeson · Mar 20, 2023

They're probably looking at how training looks today, do the players seem motivated? Or has energy been sucked out of the squad?

Someone else commented the other day, but basically Levy is in a difficult position. The Paritici situation affects things, Kane contract, do you wait til end of the season to get more options? If the guy you want only available at the end of the season? Its going to be a very difficult situation to deal with.

Hawkey77 · Mar 20, 2023

Sykes said:
Apogolies, I have missed out on 200 pages since checking back to this page.
Have we had any itk suggesting this could be it or still end of the season?

I think there’s a strange lack of ITK on the topic, which suggests to me the club are going to let this blow over and wait til the summer. Just a guess, but I’d have hoped for more noises by now if he was off imminently.

YB123 · Mar 20, 2023

chas vs dave said:
We were 3-1 up for about 4 minutes. The context of the game changed, because we conceded sloppy goals within minutes of scoring.

I'm not happy with the result. I'm not happy with the way we play. We sat deep.

Southampton had only one recognised cb from 30 minutes onwards. Conte didn't do anything tactically about this.

We were undone by Southamptons more pro active subs. Sounds similar to wolves?

Conte then proceeds to blame everyone else for his inability to see what is happening.

I'm not accepting mediocrity, however we have dropped points in a similar fashion because of a lack of adaptability.

dont disagree but after Richy and Davies injuries, what more would you have done at 3-1 up with 15 to go?

Hawkey77 · Mar 20, 2023

richard_gleeson said:
They're probably looking at how training looks today, do the players seem motivated? Or has energy been sucked out of the squad?

Someone else commented the other day, but basically Levy is in a difficult position. The Paritici situation affects things, Kane contract, do you wait til end of the season to get more options? If the guy you want only available at the end of the season? Its going to be a very difficult situation to deal with.

Should be distinctly lacking in energy given they’ve got the day off!

Rout-Ledge · Mar 20, 2023

I have no confidence in the board/Levy to get the next appointment right. However, I think there’s a least a small chance that they get the appointment right by luck (as has happened before) which means I’m in favour of sacking Conte now.

It’s a toxic situation with him in charge. It was very bad even before the World Cup. How many games did we go behind in consecutively in that period?

YB123 · Mar 20, 2023

richard_gleeson said:
They're probably looking at how training looks today, do the players seem motivated? Or has energy been sucked out of the squad?

Someone else commented the other day, but basically Levy is in a difficult position. The Paritici situation affects things, Kane contract, do you wait til end of the season to get more options? If the guy you want only available at the end of the season? Its going to be a very difficult situation to deal with.

No training today. Its tomorrow. I'd assume if no decision made before the morning then he stays if he is taking training.

mattspur1986 · Mar 20, 2023

DiVaio said:
What failing players he rewarded with huge contracts lol? Kane and Son?

well if you’re led to believe the press dier is about to extend. There’s one.

SpursJord · Mar 20, 2023

YB123 said:
dont disagree but after Richy and Davies injuries, what more would you have done at 3-1 up with 15 to go?

Bring on Danjuma or Moura to put their defence under more pressure. Starting two CBs go off injured and have a Midfielder playing CB and we sit deep?

Ghost Hardware · Mar 20, 2023

Sykes said:
Apogolies, I have missed out on 200 pages since checking back to this page.
Have we had any itk suggesting this could be it or still end of the season?

There hasn't been any for a while. The last thing we had was a few days ago from Herc saying the board have decided on who they ideally want in regards to Conte's replacement but beyond that nothing. Im assuming nobody really knows whats going to happen, and that probably includes Levy.

Whazam · Mar 20, 2023

A lot of people are agreeing with Conte's criticism of the players, which is fine, but the question of who and what he is talking about has been asked several times and I can only see some very vague answers.

So again, all who think he is spot on, who is he talking about? Or, since he is pointing out all the starting players and the squad; what is he talking about?

I'm asking since I haven't seen a lack of commitment in the squad (OK, fine, Sheffield U away was awful in every sense of the word). I see sub-par performances, frustration and terrible decision-making from the players, but I'm not sure if I see a lack of trying. And I certainly didn't see it in a standout way against Southampton.

parj · Mar 20, 2023

Ghost Hardware said:
Exactly, there is really zero excuse for loosing to Sheffield Utd's B team. I don't care how uninspiring the tactics are, we fielded a team of internationals who are on mega wages in comparison to our opponent. Utd clearly didn't really expect to win ether until the second half when they realised we just wanted to roll over for them. Was embarrassing really. And tbh the AC game wasn't much better, they are a mess these days and we should have easily beaten them. Yes Conte is certainly partially at fault for what is going on here and I really don't think he was ever going to be the right fit for us but the players as a group lack pride, desire, grit, ambition, focus and Levy seems to have no realisation that this is the case.

I agree players should be doing better and they did at the back end of last season. It was amazing. All if a sudden is come crashing down. Conte has clearly done something or undone something so we don't play like that. There is no way all the players decided to stop playing.

But it also shows the importance of signing a manager that suits the squad. If Conte can't work with them, why hire him? Poch went with pragmatic diamond formation in his last year or so, Jose, Nuno and now Conte and we are seeing the same pattern of decline. Clearly this boring pragmatic style is not appreciated

EastLondonYid · Mar 20, 2023

Regarding Saturday..
Conte was damned if he did damned if he didn't.
I personally was ok with his substitutions at the time , ofc it all went tits up and now we are all master coaches.
If he had brought on Moura or Danjuma there is no gaurentee our sorry defence wouldn't have still conceded, and the argument would have been he didn't shore it up and taken the points.

Yes we may have invited pressure, but ffs we were playing soton with Walcott and 15 to go, not City with Haaland for 90
No excuses, our defenders are not to be trusted whatever system we play, the rest is all baloney.

Conte can still fuck off though, because of a list as long as the high st.

spursfan1991 · Mar 20, 2023

Daniel Levy right now as we sit 4th

C1w8 · Mar 20, 2023

PLTuck said:
Owners 50%
Manager 20%
Players 20%
Fans 10%

With fans it's not game to game in which we are often pretty good. It's more that we turn too quickly. Fans turned on Jol, and on Poch. I'm not having this "it was time to go" with Poch either. Arsenal fans were saying that about Arteta last season. The Arsenal board had the bo0llocks to ignore the fans and show the courage of their convictions and if anyone had enough credit in the bank to have a shit season without pressure of the sack it was Poch.

Manager and players are equally responsible imo, and then above that the board take the majority of blame as they appoint the managers and buy the players.

For me I'd weight more on the Manager and Players, not to take responsibility off the Owners, but because in reality week to week, season on season, we judge our team by what happens on the pitch and how "good" we think the potential of our team and manager should be, rightly or wrongly:

Owners 35%
Manager 30%
Players 25%
Fans 10%

At the core of it yes, how well we do long term is down to a lot of things from our owners, investment in the squad, appointment of manager etc. But the reason we are so frustrated right now more than anything else is because when we look at our team, and our manager, we expect that we should be getting better production on the pitch game by game (and have felt as much for almost every game this season). If we were run in a fan owned model right now with no levy/lewis involved, and this was our squad and manager producing this football, we'd be expecting much better performances and would still be unhappy. But yes acknowledged that ideally we'd not have ended up with this squad/manager combo to start, which is on Levy.

Fans at home whilst i dont put much weight on them in this table also really frustrate me, i agree with the point that we are quick to turn and it's not so much turning on a manager who ends up getting fired it's more just the silence and moaning/groaning that sets in very quickly early on in matches, and from personal memory has been the case under all the managers i can remember. Though granted this season more than any other in recent memory it's been more understandable.

Timberwolf · Mar 20, 2023

richard_gleeson said:
They're probably looking at how training looks today, do the players seem motivated? Or has energy been sucked out of the squad?

Someone else commented the other day, but basically Levy is in a difficult position. The Paritici situation affects things, Kane contract, do you wait til end of the season to get more options? If the guy you want only available at the end of the season? Its going to be a very difficult situation to deal with.

Yeah definitely not an easy one, but equally we've known for a long time that Paratici was implicated in the Juve scandal and that there was a very big chance that Conte would leave this summer.

Therefore we should have a contingency plan in place for when Paratici goes and should've also laid the groundwork for who the next manager will be.

Given it took us 2.5 months to appoint Nuno I have very little faith there's any kind of coherent plan in place behind the scenes sadly. As usual we're probably making it up as we go along.

wrd · Mar 20, 2023

Rout-Ledge said:
Has he said anything particularly enlightening?

I'm not sure enlightening would be the word I'd use, I think what was more important was the alignment of how fans feel and to see the players actions being called out in the specific manner they were was important. I think Jose in the past it was more like, I'm innocent, there's not doing what I tell them and it was the same each week. With Conte he has been more specific and said players are being selfish, playing for themselves, they don't like pressure, they don't like stress. These are tangible things which can be worked on and improved and if the players aren't willing to then he's made it clear they need to be replaced. Both managers are self preserving their own reputations but I think Conte's feedback on their mentality just had a bit more truth and possibility of some man in the mirror time for the players.

Styopa · Mar 20, 2023

Whazam said:
A lot of people are agreeing with Conte's criticism of the players, which is fine, but the question of who and what he is talking about has been asked several times and I can only see some very vague answers.

So again, all who think he is spot on, who is he talking about? Or, since he is pointing out all the starting players and the squad; what is he talking about?

I'm asking since I haven't seen a lack of commitment in the squad (OK, fine, Sheffield U away was awful in every sense of the word). I see sub-par performances, frustration and terrible decision-making from the players, but I'm not sure if I see a lack of trying. And I certainly didn't see it in a standout way against Southampton.

My guess, some fans are happy with him blasting players they consider the least talented in the squad e,g, Davies/Dier/Hjobjerg but not so much the more popular guys like Romero/Bentancur/Kulusevski. It's a bit confusing because if Dier, Davies etc are as hapless as is made out I can't see how blasting them will help all that much. It just seems gratuitous because they're not up to the job no matter how much they get shouted at. Then again who knows who Conte had in mind exactly.

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