Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

Japhet · Mar 27, 2023

Albertbarich said:
I've hated the football but despite all the turmoil and bad luck we have had this season and there has been loads and loads of each were still fourth.

It's effective , and the players know what to do. Look at the results when Conte was sick. They didn't change it then.

Changing a system that we have obsessed over for 18 months in a champions League race probably isn't sensible even if it would likely mean prettier football

We're fourth (for now) mainly because Chelsea and Liverpool have been dreadful, and we finished fourth last season because Arsenal shat the bed. I just fail to see how continually setting us up with a numerical disadvantage in midfield, where games are generally won and lost, is a good idea, and in the EPL of all places. Can't wait to see the back of 343.

spurs mental · Mar 27, 2023

Albertbarich said:
I've hated the football but despite all the turmoil and bad luck we have had this season and there has been loads and loads of each were still fourth.

It's effective , and the players know what to do. Look at the results when Conte was sick. They didn't change it then.

Changing a system that we have obsessed over for 18 months in a champions League race probably isn't sensible even if it would likely mean prettier football

This added to the fact we have basically no fit left back available with Sess and Davies out. Unless we play Perisic there in a 4. Or Lenglet?

Who knows.

purple8 · Mar 27, 2023

Cavehillspur said:
Another Nuno managerial hunt incoming then, fuckin hell they're clueless.

Trix said:
The fanbase aren't running the tenth biggest club(financially) in world football. It's not their job, and they are not highly paid to plan for life after Conte are they. We as a fan base have been looking at who comes in next for ages. The next manager watch thread has been up since mid January, so how those whose role it is to make this decision are only just drawing up shortlists and bickering about who should be next, is deplorable imo.

Sounds a lot like most big companies and how below-top management feel.

wrd · Mar 27, 2023

When Jose left I felt like, Jose was incapable now as a manager in modern times and I just didn't feel good about the whole thing. I don't feel like that with Conte, I feel like he has had an extremely tough personal year, I feel like we as a club were unwilling to do things in the manner that suited Conte and it was simply a bad fit. I had hoped we were perhaps trying to hire a manager who would build good foundations akin to George Graham at Arsenal before Wenger came in but that hasn't happened. I don't think we got the best version of Conte here but he still got us top4, still left us in a reasonably healthy position, the squad isn't in need of 10-12 signings like it was before he came in.

I think in the long run it's probably best for the club we didn't commit fully to Conte's approach but there is frustration in the appointment in the first place if we weren't going to. As I just wanted the club to pick a lane. It seems clear what that is now.

Styopa · Mar 27, 2023

-Afri-Coy- said:
Again, I am not saying that’s what you’re intentions are, I am just saying that’s how it came across to me mate.

my apologies for reading it wrong

No worries. It just sometimes feels like people are so entrenched that they are just waiting to pounce on anything to make a point, irrespective of what the person they are responding to actually said.

People regularly misrepresent others posters' positions because it feels better to be outraged or mock than reasonably engage with another person's view.

Anyway, the above is not directed at you specifically. No hard feelings.

-Afri-Coy- · Mar 27, 2023

Styopa said:
Yeah. And I mean, if we want to look at how many trophies our previous managers have won, we can also look at how many trophies our much-maligned squad have won. I can't be bothered to calculate totals, but the following players have won tens of trophies between them:

Lloris; Forster; Porro; Emerson; Romero; Sanchez; Lenglet; Perisic; Hjobjerg; Bentancur; Kulusevski; Danjuma; Richarlison; Son; Lucas.

How could you forget Davies historic Carling cup win with Swansea in 2013 :whistle:

(Says me after seeing it only a couple days ago on transfermarkt)

Albertbarich · Mar 27, 2023

Japhet said:
We're fourth (for now) mainly because Chelsea and Liverpool have been dreadful, and we finished fourth last season because Arsenal shat the bed. I just fail to see how continually setting us up with a numerical disadvantage in midfield, where games are generally won and lost, is a good idea, and in the EPL of all places. Can't wait to see the back of 343.

If you want to talk about other teams form then look at our own bad luck.

Season ending injury to our second best player, season ending injury to his back up, keeper our for long periods, left wing back out for the season, fitness coach passing away, manager losing two other close friends, manager has emergency surgery.

Our luck this season has been nothing short of dreadful. Add that to the form of Son falling off a cliff and it's a miracle that were still in with a shout of top four despite this system that so many despise.

Look my hero is Glenn Hoddle. I hate it when fellow Spurs fans tell me out culture isn't great football. When I was a kid I knew us to be the glory club, the ones with the flair players , I read about push and run under Arthur Rowe, read stuff from Bill Nic and Danny Blanchflower. I am desperate for us to be an attacking, passing team so yeah I've hated the Mourinho and Conte eras but you can't say Conte isn't effective with his system hasn't been effective.

Asking our caretaker management team to rip it up, throw away all those months drilling automations and change system with 10 games to go probably isn't the wisest choice. That's why most managers want to start in the summer when they have time to coach and implement their ideas. Even Tuchel who went to Bayern I suspect agreed to it in part because he and Naglesmann share many of the same ideas and know eachother so well

aliyid · Mar 27, 2023

-Afri-Coy- · Mar 27, 2023

Styopa said:
No worries. It just sometimes feels like people are so entrenched that they are just waiting to pounce on anything to make a point, irrespective of what the person they are responding to actually said.

People regularly misrepresent others posters' positions because it feels better to be outraged than engage reasonably with another person's view.

Anyway, the above is not directed you at specifically. No hard feelings.

This entire Jose/Conte cycle has put a lot of fans on edge, myself included. It seems to be so much easier to pull the trigger without rational thought and I really hope we can come back together as a fan base under the next manager.

The only positive that came out of the Nuno fiasco was how united we were as a fan base in our hate towards that spell under his management. Good times.

Mattspurs1982 · Mar 27, 2023

BedfordshireSpud said:
There are obviously things to come out about the situation there that we are not aware of yet. Perhaps best not to be too eager to push the knife too deep into everyone’s backs just yet.

If most of the coaching staff will stay, is there much hope that we will see fresh ideas… or will it be more of the same.. hmm

carpediem991 · Mar 27, 2023

Mattspurs1982 said:
If most of the coaching staff will stay, is there much hope that we will see fresh ideas… or will it be more of the same.. hmm

I put my hope in the little adjustments they made in the City game and hope they are not as stubborn regarding individual players.

Obviously this won't be a complete turn around in how we set up, but that would be too much to ask in ten games anyway.

ultimateloner · Mar 27, 2023

coy-spurs1882 said:
which is partly due to his tactics/management

Yes, but that alone is probably not enough to reduce a golden boot winner to pure rubble..so I give Conte benefit of doubt there.

Harrier · Mar 27, 2023

Gassin's finest said:
You're not wrong, but you're gonna give yourself a connery.

I think we may have missed the boat in appointing him as manager!

Wheeler Dealer · Mar 27, 2023

Japhet said:
I personally think the 343 is fucking hopeless in the EPL. We had 2 exceptional players in Bentancur and Hojbjerg who were continually overrun in midfield, and very good backup players who fare no better. The sooner we get away from a midfield pivot the better as far as I'm concerned. I hope Stellini bins it now Conte isn't looking over his shoulder, but I'm also aware that he'll most likely be teaming up with Conte again soon enough, so maybe it will be more of the same.

They ain’t exceptional, but agree that they were overworked and outplayed

Wheeler Dealer · Mar 27, 2023

Guntz said:
Fair play to the rest of his staff for sticking around to help until the end of the season.

They could have easily taken the pay off.

Only if a pay off was on the table.

Japhet · Mar 27, 2023

Wheeler Dealer said:
They ain’t exceptional, but agree that they were overworked and outplayed

Point taken, but I'd bet that they would both be rated a lot higher if they were playing in a 3.

spurs mental · Mar 27, 2023

TPdYID said:
Lmfao, you're clutching at straws mate if you think Conte has been the driver behind Kanes form. The running joke is he's a "10 season wonder".

Kane scores 20 goals a season, no matter who the manager is.

Now, name me another player who Conte has developed? You wont be able to because he hasn't!

We signed Brightons best midfielder and he's looked $hit. Evertons best attacker and he's looked $hit. Even Kulusevski and Romero look shadows of their former selves.

Putting this here as its not relevant to the new manager thread.

Romero has missed 9/10 PL games alone. Over 25% of our league games.

Kulu has missed 8 league games and his minutes limited between the injuries.

Bissouma has missed at least 6 through injury.

Richy has missed 7 or 8 through injury.

All of the players you've listed have missed 25% of our season through injuries. That's a lot of blame your apportioning to the coach when it's something he can't control.

Most players need time to get back up to speed after injury.

spursfan77 · Mar 27, 2023

Styopa said:
Yeah, but you also need to take into account the profile of the clubs at which the majority of those trophies were won.

It's not really surprising that previous Spurs managers have won multiple trophies with the likes of Chelsea, Juve, Real Madrid, Man U, PSG and Inter. Those are some of the biggest and highest-spending clubs in the world. Most managers who go to those clubs win trophies.

Isn't that what we are aspiring to be though?

But we don't act like it.

spursfan77 · Mar 27, 2023

teok said:

I've actually always quite liked Conte since he came. I don't think he's a bad lad at all and this shows it. Not many managers would do the same.

Yid-ol · Mar 27, 2023

Japhet said:
I personally think the 343 is fucking hopeless in the EPL. We had 2 exceptional players in Bentancur and Hojbjerg who were continually overrun in midfield, and very good backup players who fare no better. The sooner we get away from a midfield pivot the better as far as I'm concerned. I hope Stellini bins it now Conte isn't looking over his shoulder, but I'm also aware that he'll most likely be teaming up with Conte again soon enough, so maybe it will be more of the same.

I have said for a good while, we need 3 in CM and let the full backs push up to help with the width. So many options we could go for with

Sarr, Bentancur, Skipp, Hojbjerg & Bissouma. We still just need that creativity in there, though Hojbjerg plus further forward for Denmark and seems to be better there.

Even if you went with the below, I feel it would solve some of our problems

Skipp - Sarr
Perisic

Or

Skipp
Hojbjerg - Perisic

Perisic behind kane would give kane so many options as he will pick out his runs or players wide for kane to then get in the box.

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