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GetSpurredOn · Apr 18, 2023

Slot or Kompany, probably not the names I’d have pictured at the start of this process, but it just feels Nagelsmann isn’t sold on us, and I’m not sure we’re sold on Enrique.
Slot currently seems, in my head, a more rounded Manager in terms of experience pushing for a title in his league and also going well in Europe, but I do have a feeling Kompany’s reputation over here would hold more sway. He does come across as an inspiring individual and would probably command more respect just from his recent playing days. Not only is Davies already here, but Yaya Toure too. Two decent inside lines of knowledge.
I also agree, if he is destined for City in the long term, so be it. If City are pushing for titles still when Pep is moving on at some point down the line, and Kompany becomes their go to option, you’d assume he’s obviously been successful at that point in turning us round to be in consideration. A club like City wont go for Kompany if he has failed with us.

Caveat to all this, is the fact we are allegedly waiting for Paratici’s appeal to go through before committing. Was it 19th April? If he gets the all clear, there may be a renewed push for Enrique if he is, as suggested, Fabio’s number one choice.

Timberwolf · Apr 18, 2023

Ghost Hardware said:
The other point about Enrique we should all keep in mind is that by all accounts he’s Paratici’s top pick. Now understandably that might end up causing some to be concerned, after all his track record of manager choices has been rather poor to say the least.

But what I would say is out of all the names I’ve read he’s suggested during his time here Enrique makes the most sense. Regardless of my personal feelings towards him he actually ticks an awful lot of box’s.

Most critically tho is that if we really want to change the way we do things and become more like a team such as BVB or Brighton then dismissing who our DoF wants isn’t the way to go about it. If we want to move forward as a club, especially one working on a limited budget, then it’s imperative that everyone is on the same page. And really the DoF should have a lot of say in regards to that page.

We really should be matching the manager to the vision not the vision to the manager.

Also in specific relation to Enrique, having our DoF actively wanting him would suggest to me he knows exactly what players would be required to get his system to work.

Now as I said, that doesn’t mean I want Enrique and after all we don’t even know if Paratici will be here next week let alone next season. But ether way, who our DoF wants should have significant bearing on who we appoint. It’s why I keep saying we should have addressed this issue first as it’s actually fundamentally important if we hope to change.

I'm all for alignment between DoF and manager.

But when the DoF had picked 4 consecutive bad managerial fits across 2 clubs you have to wonder whether he's really the guy to listen to.

Given his record I'd be inclined to get him to pick players to suit the manager going forward but not let him be the key decision maker when it comes to actually picking the managers - we just can't let him pick any more managers that don't suit the club.

Lest we forget this is the guy that wanted Gatusso over Fonseca and convinced Levy Nuno could play an attacking 4-3-3...

HedgieSpur · Apr 18, 2023

Timberwolf said:
I'm all for alignment between DoF and manager.

But when the DoF had picked 4 consecutive bad managerial fits across 2 clubs you have to wonder whether he's really the guy to listen to.

Given his record I'd be inclined to get him to pick players to suit the manager going forward but not let him be the key decision maker when it comes to actually picking the managers - we just can't let him pick any more managers that don't suit the club.

Lest we forget this is the guy that wanted Gatusso over Fonseca and convinced Levy Nuno could play an attacking 4-3-3...

Then if thats the case you get rid of him and get someone else. If I hire a bad CFO for my business, the answer isn't for me to start signing off the accounts (a role which I have neither the capability nor capacity to successfully fulfil)...the answer is to get a new CFO.

Levy is a Land Economist, Cullen a PR executive, Collecott a Finance/Ops Exec...none of them have the capability to hire football managers. if we don't trust the DoF's judgement then fire him and get someone else.

Misfit · Apr 18, 2023

Kompany has come out of nowhere to seemingly be a front-runner. Hell of a gamble but one can see the rationale behind it.

Oh Teddy Teddy · Apr 18, 2023

quackers said:
If its those three - I hope its Slot

An old aussie is another jessemarch etc. There are some nationalities that just dont mix with football.

Kompany just something not right but then again with the city connex we have in toure, it could maybe work...

There have been plenty of rational voices against hiring someone like Postecoglou, for a variety of reasons that I can understand (though not necessarily agree with) – this is not one of them, what an absolute load of rubbish :LOL:

Though I agree with you on Slot :cautious:

Timberwolf · Apr 18, 2023

HedgieSpur said:
Then if thats the case you get rid of him and get someone else. If I hire a bad CFO for my business, the answer isn't for me to start signing off the accounts (a role which I have neither the capability nor capacity to success fulfil)...the answer is to get a new CFO.

Lecy is a Land Economist, Cullen a PR executive, Collecott a Finance/Ops Exec...none of them have the capability to hire football managers. if we don't trust the DoF's judgement then fire him and get someone else.

Yeah I think that could be the way to go. And if his appeal fails this month it's presumably the only way to go.

Picking managers is by far his biggest weakness, though, so I do think he would be OK if we just let stick to fixing our scouting network, recruiting, negotiating, etc.

For the love of Spurs · Apr 18, 2023

HedgieSpur said:
Then if thats the case you get rid of him and get someone else. If I hire a bad CFO for my business, the answer isn't for me to start signing off the accounts (a role which I have neither the capability nor capacity to success fulfil)...the answer is to get a new CFO.

Lecy is a Land Economist, Cullen a PR executive, Collecott a Finance/Ops Exec...none of them have the capability to hire football managers. if we don't trust the DoF's judgement then fire him and get someone else.

Club needs to respect what it is. Fans crave attacking football, we can’t afford cheque book managers but there are ways around it. Brighton and Arsenal are good examples of this, doesn’t have to be exactly the same. It might be hiring someone like Slot and getting in talent younger players is the best long term strategy but that could mean short term pain. Either way this club needs to be smarter, our rivals look sharper than us and that will mean a DoF suited to our club. Let’s pray Munn is the one to sort it.

PhezTHFC · Apr 18, 2023

Ginola+Tonic said:
I really really hope we opt for Arne Slot

I seriously do, i stand to win nearly £300 on him

But he is my preferred pick regardless of the above. He just seems to fit what we need

Trix · Apr 18, 2023

Timberwolf said:
Yeah I think that could be the way to go. And if his appeal fails this month it's presumably the only way to go.

Picking managers is by far his biggest weakness, though, so I do think he would be OK if we just let stick to fixing our scouting network, recruiting, negotiating, etc.

I think it's tomorrow.

EastUpperDK82 · Apr 18, 2023

So maybe it's time to conclude that Poch is not coming back... all the ITK's and journos point in the same direction on this one ... it's been the same news for weeks now on Poch.

sidford · Apr 18, 2023

Trix said:
I think it's tomorrow.

It is but the actual decision could take several days so likely nothing will be finalised tomorrow unfortunately

parklane yid · Apr 18, 2023

Trix said:
I think it's tomorrow.

Yes it is tomorrow

HedgieSpur · Apr 18, 2023

Timberwolf said:
Yeah I think that could be the way to go. And if his appeal fails this month it's presumably the only way to go.

Picking managers is by far his biggest weakness, though, so I do think he would be OK if we just let stick to fixing our scouting network, recruiting, negotiating, etc.

Yeah agree. I should have said that the other thing we could do is have him as Head of Talent Identification & Acquisition...he clearly is good at spotting talent and negotiating.

sidford · Apr 18, 2023

Tottenham: Kompany expected to reject Spurs offer

Football Insider has learned that Vincent Kompany is not expected to quit Burnley this summer despite interest from Premier League giants Tottenham and Chelsea.

www.footballinsider247.com

Footballinsider is generally shit but isn't Peteo decent for stuff?

danielneeds · Apr 18, 2023

sidford said:
Tottenham: Kompany expected to reject Spurs offer

Football Insider has learned that Vincent Kompany is not expected to quit Burnley this summer despite interest from Premier League giants Tottenham and Chelsea.

www.footballinsider247.com

Footballinsider is generally shit but isn't Peteo decent for stuff?

He comes out with a load of stuff in the last 6 months. Most of it is throwing a load a shit at the wall and hoping it sticks.

felmani26 · Apr 18, 2023

Timberwolf said:
Yeah I think that could be the way to go. And if his appeal fails this month it's presumably the only way to go.

Picking managers is by far his biggest weakness, though, so I do think he would be OK if we just let stick to fixing our scouting network, recruiting, negotiating, etc.

Surely Munn would now supersede Paratici's influence in terms of pushing managerial preferences to the board?

Regardless, we really could do with some harmonisation between head coach-DoF-board all singing off the same hymn sheet.

felmani26 · Apr 18, 2023

sidford said:
Tottenham: Kompany expected to reject Spurs offer

Football Insider has learned that Vincent Kompany is not expected to quit Burnley this summer despite interest from Premier League giants Tottenham and Chelsea.

www.footballinsider247.com

Footballinsider is generally shit but isn't Peteo decent for stuff?

I find this hard to believe personally

Ghost Hardware · Apr 18, 2023

Timberwolf said:
Yeah I think that could be the way to go. And if his appeal fails this month it's presumably the only way to go.

Picking managers is by far his biggest weakness, though, so I do think he would be OK if we just let stick to fixing our scouting network, recruiting, negotiating, etc.

Then he shouldn't be our DoF he should be our Head of Player Recruitment and we should bring in another DoF to replace him. As I said in my original post, i'm not saying Enrique is my top choice but also to be fair he is a much better fit then every other manager he has suggested in the past. But whoever it is he's suggesting is sort of irrelevant, the underling truth is that how can one hope to build a cohesive structure when everyone is on a different page and you actively ignore your Director of Football.

As @HedgieSpur says above, if you don't believe his opinion is the correct one how can you leave him in his role. It actually makes zero sense, ether you replace him with someone you feel aligns with the club's vision or you demote him to a role where he has no say in regards to the overall structure of the club. The problem is that even at board level there is no coherent vision so its inevitable that the outcome becomes a disjointed mess.

At this point we have to hope that Munn's employment will signify a move towards a more streamlined project. But unless we are on the same page as Paratici then he should be replaced with someone who we will actually listen to when it matters regardless of Wednesdays outcome.

If we really want long lasting success then this goes far beyond employing an attacking manager, we need to deal with the root of the problem otherwise we will just continue to run in circles.

Tottenhamboy85 · Apr 18, 2023

sidford said:
Tottenham: Kompany expected to reject Spurs offer

Football Insider has learned that Vincent Kompany is not expected to quit Burnley this summer despite interest from Premier League giants Tottenham and Chelsea.

www.footballinsider247.com

Footballinsider is generally shit but isn't Peteo decent for stuff?

Anything lower league he’s normally pretty good

fecka · Apr 18, 2023

felmani26 said:
Surely Munn would now supersede Paratici's influence in terms of pushing managerial preferences to the board?

Regardless, we really could do with some harmonisation between head coach-DoF-board all singing off the same hymn sheet.

Munn doesn't start until July 1s IIRC so wouldn't be actively involved in the search for now

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