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danielneeds · Apr 18, 2023

felmani26 said:
I find this hard to believe personally

We're not a seriously run club at the moment, though. Even what's out there to the public, there''ll be a load more stuff in the industry chat that we don't even know. We're gonna struggle to appoint an ambitious manager because we've let the perception get out there that we're a club in institutional chaos.

Ghost Hardware · Apr 18, 2023

sidford said:
Tottenham: Kompany expected to reject Spurs offer

Football Insider has learned that Vincent Kompany is not expected to quit Burnley this summer despite interest from Premier League giants Tottenham and Chelsea.

www.footballinsider247.com

Footballinsider is generally shit but isn't Peteo decent for stuff?

Considering that article says we intend to interview Rodgers next week i am going to choose not to believe anything it says.

felmani26 · Apr 18, 2023

fecka said:
Munn doesn't start until July 1s IIRC so wouldn't be actively involved in the search for now

Herc suggested he's here already and whilst not officially starting till 1st July, I can't believe he won't have any influence on such a crucial decision to shape the years ahead.

Trent Crimm · Apr 18, 2023

Timberwolf said:
Yeah I think that could be the way to go. And if his appeal fails this month it's presumably the only way to go.

Picking managers is by far his biggest weakness, though, so I do think he would be OK if we just let stick to fixing our scouting network, recruiting, negotiating, etc.

Backing managers. Not picking them. He’s made some okay choices that need leaving alone. He can’t. He’s incapable

Beefyboy · Apr 18, 2023

sidford said:
Tottenham: Kompany expected to reject Spurs offer

Football Insider has learned that Vincent Kompany is not expected to quit Burnley this summer despite interest from Premier League giants Tottenham and Chelsea.

www.footballinsider247.com

Footballinsider is generally shit but isn't Peteo decent for stuff?

It's very very vague terminology the kind that Football Insider relies on for spamming rumours

"has learned he is expected to" Is about as flimsy as possible.

Ghost Hardware · Apr 18, 2023

fecka said:
Paratici clearly has an eye for talent but there were criticisms of his squad building at Juve and we could levy the same criticisms at him here so far. Having him as the head of scouting or similar could be a good move.

Yeah he struggled to sell players and bought too many attackers at Juve. From what I remember they were crying out for a RB for many windows and it was never prioritised (this is from memory tho so i could be mistaken). But he is an excellent talent scout, even at Juve he earmarked a lot of fantastic players that went on to be very successful at other clubs. Issue come more from the fact I very much doubt he would be amenable to a reduced role. Ether way, hopefully after tomorrow we will have a clearer view of the situation. Ether way this must feel like a big weight on everyone's shoulders behind the scenes.

Ghost Hardware · Apr 18, 2023

felmani26 said:
Herc suggested he's here already and whilst not officially starting till 1st July, I can't believe he won't have any influence on such a crucial decision to shape the years ahead.

I missed what Herc said but I think its pretty clear he is already involved. I don't see us even remotely considering Kompany or Ange without him.

felmani26 · Apr 18, 2023

danielneeds said:
We're not a seriously run club at the moment, though. Even what's out there to the public, there''ll be a load more stuff in the industry chat that we don't even know. We're gonna struggle to appoint an ambitious manager because we've let the perception get out there that we're a club in institutional chaos.

It's a fickle game management and Kompany knows the leap from Championship to Premier League is massive and won't be afforded free flowing football when you're battling the drop.

If we indeed firm up our interest with an offer then he'll jump at the chance irrespective of the chaos from the outside looking in.

dontcallme · Apr 18, 2023

felmani26 said:
It's a fickle game management and Kompany knows the leap from Championship to Premier League is massive and won't be afforded free flowing football when you're battling the drop.

If we indeed firm up our interest with an offer then he'll jump at the chance irrespective of the chaos from the outside looking in.

History certainly suggests managers will take big jobs regardless of how bat shit crazy the club is, if it's a step up.

I remember Paul Lambert doing a good job at Colchester then an excellent one at Norwich getting them 2 consecutive promotions and steering them to a comfortable 1st season in the Prem, 1 place below Rodger's Swansea.

Then he took the Villa job when they had a shit team, no money and high expectations. Followed by the bat shit crazy Blackburn.

He basically ended his managerial career by taking bad jobs.

Zaphod · Apr 18, 2023

I don't know why but Enrique leaves me cold. I can't really see what he's achieved that would lead me to think he'd be anything other than another boring, disastrous appointment.

Albertbarich · Apr 18, 2023

HedgieSpur said:
This is just your own personal bias talking. Of all the sticks to beat Enrique with, lack of flexibility is the perhaps the worst one you could have chosen.

I get that some of our fans associate “big names” with being a certain type of manager (after the Jose and Conte debacles) but trotting out “stubborn winner” stuff about Enrique is just simply wrong.

Of course it's my bias , everyone's posts here confirm their bias.

I don't have faith in him either having the flexibility to get the best out of our squad and the energy required to turn it around.

I maybe wrong you certainly seem to really believe in him but like others I get a really bad feel about it.

Albertbarich · Apr 18, 2023

dontcallme said:
History certainly suggests managers will take big jobs regardless of how bat shit crazy the club is, if it's a step up.

I keep reading nobody wil come because we're a mess , were toxic and then I also read that the higher profile managers were linked with prefer Chelsea, a team with a ridiculously bloated squad and a chairman who has taken to telling the manager the formation and giving team talks.

Money talks.

Timberwolf · Apr 18, 2023

dontcallme said:
History certainly suggests managers will take big jobs regardless of how bat shit crazy the club is, if it's a step up.

I hope you're right but I seem to recall a number of managers from "smaller" clubs rejecting us back in 2021.

You'd think that at least one of Slot, Kompany, De Zerbi, etc would be willing to come - I think our squad is certainly better than it was in 2021 - but each of them does have a legitimate reason to think twice about coming here given how much of a joke we've been recently and the damage we could do to their careers long-term if they aren't backed and Levy gets trigger happy.

Will be very gutted, if not too surprised, if we get a repeat of the Nuno summer and end up with Rodgers or some compromise candidate no-one really wants.

easley91 · Apr 18, 2023

I genuinely think we have a good base for the right manager to build up from - Porro, Udogie, Romero, Bentancur, Bissouma, Skipp, Sarr Kulusevski, Son, Richarlison, Kane (if he stays).

newbie · Apr 18, 2023

Albertbarich said:
I keep reading nobody wil come because we're a mess , were toxic and then I also read that the higher profile managers were linked with prefer Chelsea, a team with a ridiculously bloated squad and a chairman who has taken to telling the manager the formation and giving team talks.

Money talks.

What’s the worst that can happen, you fail and end up so rich your kids will never have to work!

Japhet · Apr 18, 2023

Timberwolf said:
I'm all for alignment between DoF and manager.

But when the DoF had picked 4 consecutive bad managerial fits across 2 clubs you have to wonder whether he's really the guy to listen to.

Given his record I'd be inclined to get him to pick players to suit the manager going forward but not let him be the key decision maker when it comes to actually picking the managers - we just can't let him pick any more managers that don't suit the club.

Lest we forget this is the guy that wanted Gatusso over Fonseca and convinced Levy Nuno could play an attacking 4-3-3...

Have been reading that Enrique is Paratici's preference. Right from the off, Enrique has been the one I really don't want.

newbie · Apr 18, 2023

easley91 said:
I genuinely think we have a good base for the right manager to build up from - Porro, Udogie, Romero, Bentancur, Bissouma, Skipp, Sarr Kulusevski, Son, Richarlison, Kane (if he stays).

We need a defencive clear out though, that’s been the case for 4-5 years though and we get loan players and Rondon.

Yantino · Apr 18, 2023

easley91 said:
I genuinely think we have a good base for the right manager to build up from - Porro, Udogie, Romero, Bentancur, Bissouma, Skipp, Sarr Kulusevski, Son, Richarlison, Kane (if he stays).

I agree with this. Add;

Some better defensive and goalkeeping options.
The correct footballing philosophy.
Change at board level.
New DoF aligned with a new coach.
Moving on of average, dross players.

fishhhandaricecake · Apr 18, 2023

Zaphod said:
I don't know why but Enrique leaves me cold. I can't really see what he's achieved that would lead me to think he'd be anything other than another boring, disastrous appointment.

Enrique doesn't quite feel like the right fit does he, compared to a Slot or Kompany etc.

However I wouldn't say he would be 'boring', his sides play nice possession passing football.

If the rumours today and yesterday are true that Slot has said no and Kompany has said no and Nagglesman prefers Chelsea and Poch is unlikely then who are we left with big Ange at Celtic vs Enrique vs Rodgers?

Tbh if it was out of one of those 3 I'd like big Ange from Celtic, plays very similar football/style to Pep's City and good character to inject some positivity and energy into the club and squad and I think he's worked with Munn before.

Enqirue I'd not mind but it doesn't quite feel like the right fit, Rodgers weirdly I actually feel ok about, he ticks a lot of boxes and if he brought Maddison with him then happy days. I suppose Potter is also another possibility, personally I'd rather Rodgers than Potter, I think Potter is out of his depth at bigger clubs.

The good news is that is a good 6-7 names all of whom play decent or much better football than our previous 3 managers and all of whom are a better fit for our club than our last 3 managers, the bad news is this is Levy and so we could still end up with Glasner or Galtier (both negative and not good options) even though there are a plethora of exciting options to pick from right now.

Trix · Apr 18, 2023

Yantino said:
I agree with this. Add;

Some better defensive and goalkeeping options.
The correct footballing philosophy.
Change at board level.
New DoF aligned with a new coach.
Moving on of average, dross players.

Which basically means changing pretty much everything.

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