Next Manager Watch

spursfan77 · Jun 1, 2023

Metalhead said:
So the Ange thing is essentially a protest because Levy is still here?

Not from my perspective. I have no issue with the ‘wait and see’ attitude if he’s any good. He might end up being good. But it’s a gamble by the club on an unproven coach and one they didn’t really need to take.

I also have issue with it being another name pushed forward by a non footballing person in Munn. We’ve castigated Levy for listening to board members over things and this is no different. We should have appointed a DOF first and let him chose his man. Then we would know the decision was based on actual football knowledge (sure paratici made wrong manager choices but it doesn’t mean a different DOF would do the same thing). Because the club don’t explain things, we don’t even know if there’s any analysis behind the guys being chosen or the rationale behind the picks. It all just feels like a complete mess because the club aren’t clear.

Tonio · Jun 1, 2023

Wingnut_on_the_go said:
With a lot of people seemingly unhappy with Postecoglou being linked, can you imagine the meltdown if Emma Hayes was mentioned as a potential candidate!

Well she isn’t and won’t be so…

Gb160 · Jun 1, 2023

superted4 said:
We thought conte was his last throw of the dice.

The bottom draw of Levy's desk...

Harrier · Jun 1, 2023

I REALLY want to be proved wrong, but appointing Ange Postecoglou doesn’t fill me with any confidence at all. 🫣

bridgman · Jun 1, 2023

spursfan77 said:
Not from my perspective. I have no issue with the ‘wait and see’ attitude if he’s any good. He might end up being good. But it’s a gamble by the club on an unproven coach and one they didn’t really need to take.

I also have issue with it being another name pushed forward by a non footballing person in Munn. We’ve castigated Levy for listening to board members over things and this is no different. We should have appointed a DOF first and let him chose his man. Then we would know the decision was based on actual football knowledge (sure paratici made wrong manager choices but it doesn’t mean a different DOF would do the same thing). Because the club don’t explain things, we don’t even know if there’s any analysis behind the guys being chosen or the rationale behind the picks. It all just feels like a complete mess because the club aren’t clear.

Gamble on an unproven coach? As opposed to... a gamble on a proven coach? Like Conte? Mourinho? If anything, the latter two are far more worthy of being labeled gambles because of their wage demands.

Saying that hiring Postecoglou is a gamble implies there is a stake. What exactly is the stake? We finished 8th this season on 60 points. We don't have a super team capable of easily finishing top 4, nor are we anywhere close to relegation. Our squad is upper middle of the road; the timing is perfect to bring in some fresh new ideas. It makes no sense to hire a "safe" manager like Brendan Rodgers after finishing 8th, at least not if we want to give ourselves the best chance of winning trophies in an increasingly tough league.

bridgman · Jun 1, 2023

Harrier said:
I REALLY want to be proved wrong, but appointing Ange Postecoglou doesn’t fill me with any confidence at all. 🫣

Where have I heard this stuff before?

...Oh that's right, the Celtic fans themselves around the time Postecoglou was originally appointed there.

spursfan77 · Jun 1, 2023

LeSoupeKitchen said:
The 2021 manager search was disastrous, inexcusable, and unprecedented. It shouldn't have happened even once.

I don't have the words to describe the fact it's happening again.

If Levy can't recognise he is doing something wrong then he has reached Rebekah Vardy levels of delusion.

2021 was not the first time it happened though. We went about 6 months before we appointed Arnesen/santini/Jol. So the writing was on the wall with levy then. But he’s actually got worse as a chairman. At least back then he had them as a team in place on time. Now he can’t even do that!

Metalhead · Jun 1, 2023

spursfan77 said:
Not from my perspective. I have no issue with the ‘wait and see’ attitude if he’s any good. He might end up being good. But it’s a gamble by the club on an unproven coach and one they didn’t really need to take.

I also have issue with it being another name pushed forward by a non footballing person in Munn. We’ve castigated Levy for listening to board members over things and this is no different. We should have appointed a DOF first and let him chose his man. Then we would know the decision was based on actual football knowledge (sure paratici made wrong manager choices but it doesn’t mean a different DOF would do the same thing). Because the club don’t explain things, we don’t even know if there’s any analysis behind the guys being chosen or the rationale behind the picks. It all just feels like a complete mess because the club aren’t clear.

I think that it's plain that it's a repeat of the previous abortive process. It's obvious that Levy has ambitious ideas but either overthinks or loses his nerve or one leads to the other.

spursfan77 · Jun 1, 2023

bridgman said:
Gamble on an unproven coach? As opposed to... a gamble on a proven coach? Like Conte? Mourinho? If anything, the latter two are far more worthy of being labeled gambles because of their wage demands.

Saying that hiring Postecoglou is a gamble implies there is a stake. What exactly is the stake? We finished 8th this season on 60 points. We don't have a super team capable of easily finishing top 4, nor are we anywhere close to relegation. Our squad is upper middle of the road; the timing is perfect to bring in some fresh new ideas. It makes no sense to hire a "safe" manager like Brendan Rodgers after finishing 8th, at least not if we want to give ourselves the best chance of winning trophies in an increasingly tough league.

You’ve missed the point of my post buy quoting only a few words of it and taken them completely out of context of the rest of it. Do you work in the press?!?!

This great post by @Ghost Hardware explains what I’m saying in further detail.

Post in thread 'Next Manager Watch'
https://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/next-manager-watch.151913/post-8388449

Harrier · Jun 1, 2023

bridgman said:
Where have I heard this stuff before?

...Oh that's right, the Celtic fans themselves around the time Postecoglou was originally appointed there.

Been said a million times on here already, but success at Celtic doesn’t automatically translate to the PL.

Its’s a big gamble hoping he’s going to outperform expectations like Poch did.

Like I said in the original post, I’d love to be proved wrong but it has disaster written all over it for me.

therealGlenn · Jun 1, 2023

Jaffer99 said:
We are a joke of a club, why would any manager with half a brain even think of coming here with those pair of pricks(Levy & Lewis) making all the decisions..

that and what seems to be such a toxic fanbase at the moment with current Twitter campaigns. Its all just so embarrassing

Metalhead · Jun 1, 2023

Japhet said:
People probably concluding that he's Levy's choice because he's cheap versus Nagelsmann. Pretty absurd really that Nagelsmann is available but being overlooked because he wants something that doesn't allign with Levy though. I mean, who actually knows more about winning football matches out of those 2?

I've got nothing against Ange at all and he might be an inspired choice but it's like putting a small bet on an outsider instead of lumping onto a red hot favorite.

Totally agree - Nagelsmann matches his ambition but he's clearly too rich for Levy's appetite. I guess at least it's preferable for Levy to not give Nagelsmann a load of flannel and it then goes belly up later.

Gareth88 · Jun 1, 2023

Harrier said:
I REALLY want to be proved wrong, but appointing Ange Postecoglou doesn’t fill me with any confidence at all. 🫣

I am done caring anymore, bring him in let’s see what happens, if it fails we all know the cycle already. Rinse repeat.

SuperLuka · Jun 1, 2023

Japhet said:
People probably concluding that he's Levy's choice because he's cheap versus Nagelsmann. Pretty absurd really that Nagelsmann is available but being overlooked because he wants something that doesn't allign with Levy though. I mean, who actually knows more about winning football matches out of those 2?

I've got nothing against Ange at all and he might be an inspired choice but it's like putting a small bet on an outsider instead of lumping onto a red hot favorite.

I don't think Nagelsman is being overlooked. Pretty sure he was first on Levy's list. He's either turned us down or as per the rumour his demands are too high for Levy.

bridgman · Jun 1, 2023

Harrier said:
Been said a million times on here already, but success at Celtic doesn’t automatically translate to the PL.

People get way too focused on things like "what club" and "what achievements", and miss all the detail inbetween.

Harrier said:
Its’s a big gamble hoping he’s going to outperform expectations like Poch did.

Like I said in the original post, I’d love to be proved wrong but it has disaster written all over it for me.

Refer to:

bridgman said:
Saying that hiring Postecoglou is a gamble implies there is a stake. What exactly is the stake? We finished 8th this season on 60 points. We don't have a super team capable of easily finishing top 4, nor are we anywhere close to relegation. Our squad is upper middle of the road; the timing is perfect to bring in some fresh new ideas. It makes no sense to hire a "safe" manager like Brendan Rodgers after finishing 8th, at least not if we want to give ourselves the best chance of winning trophies in an increasingly tough league.

Again, what gamble? What are we risking? The Champions League spot we don't currently have? How is Postecoglou any more of a gamble than the expensive Conte?

I'm much more comfortable hiring a guy who plays an attacking, aggressive, high-intensity brand of football than someone who plays a very defensive, structured italian style of football.
Have you forgotten the last time we could call ourselves title contenders? It wasn't by playing defensive football.

SuperLuka · Jun 1, 2023

bridgman said:
Gamble on an unproven coach? As opposed to... a gamble on a proven coach? Like Conte? Mourinho? If anything, the latter two are far more worthy of being labeled gambles because of their wage demands.

Saying that hiring Postecoglou is a gamble implies there is a stake. What exactly is the stake? We finished 8th this season on 60 points. We don't have a super team capable of easily finishing top 4, nor are we anywhere close to relegation. Our squad is upper middle of the road; the timing is perfect to bring in some fresh new ideas. It makes no sense to hire a "safe" manager like Brendan Rodgers after finishing 8th, at least not if we want to give ourselves the best chance of winning trophies in an increasingly tough league.

We are not that far off a relegation battle. I am not saying we will be in one but appoint the wrong coach and it is possible.

Trix · Jun 1, 2023

Not all proven coaches are Mourinho or Conte. They didn't fail because they were experienced winners, they failed because they have specific ways of working and needed certain players to do so which the board did not provide. In essence they were extremely poor choices by the hierarchy who should have known what was required for them to succeed from the off.

There will certainly be up and coming managers that require specific player types that fit specific systems just as there are proven managers that are adaptable.

Some posters need to get out of this mindset that all experienced winners are a disaster waiting to happen and that the answer lies only in a youthful vibrant choice. It's all about individual fit and nothing else. Anyone with any shred of sense would take Pep over Nagelsmann and Nagelsmann over Big Sam because it's about ability and nothing else.

Tonio · Jun 1, 2023

bridgman said:
Where have I heard this stuff before?

...Oh that's right, the Celtic fans themselves around the time Postecoglou was originally appointed there.

Well it would have been hard to be proved wrong wouldnt it. Given ANY and I do mean any professional manager would have a 50% chance of winning the league up there.

nidge · Jun 1, 2023

Archibald&Crooks said:
I've got a funny feeling that fuck all is going to happen today.
#crystalballgazer

Apart from another 50-100 pages of groundhog

We will know something is happening when Alasdair Gold takes time off from work. :ROFLMAO:

bridgman · Jun 1, 2023

Trix said:
Not all proven coaches are Mourinho or Conte. They didn't fail because they were experienced winners, they failed because they have specific ways of working and needed certain players to do so which the board did not provide. In essence they were extremely poor choices by the hierarchy who should have known what was required for them to succeed from the off.

There will certainly be up and coming managers that require specific player types that fit specific systems just as there are proven managers that are adaptable.

Lets get out of this mindset that all experienced winners are a disaster waiting to happen and that the answer lies only in a youthful vibrant choice. It's all about individual fit and nothing else. Anyone with any shred of sense would take Pep over Nagelsmann for instance.

I never insinuated that hiring experienced managers is inherently a bad idea. I was actually making more or less the same point in your first paragraph; certain managers work better for certain teams and specific ways of playing.

Maybe the board didn't support Mourinho and Conte enough, but even if they did, I'm not convinced their style of football is capable of competing for titles in the Premier League in the current year. The point is we shouldn't be only looking to hire an experienced big-name manager for the sake of hiring an experienced big-name manager.

Our last good managerial appointment was Mauricio Pochettino. Why was he a good appointment? Because he came in during a grim set of circumstances, turned it all around, got us playing quality, high-intensity football and had us challenging for trophies.
What is Ange Postecoglou? A manager with a proven record of turning things around, being appointed by teams in grim situations and making them title contenders in their respective league. Yeah, maybe winning the title with Celtic isn't that impressive at face value, but ask any Celtic fan and they'll tell you their football is more exciting and fun to watch than it's been for decades.

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