Next Manager Watch

gavspur · Jun 1, 2023

If it’s Ange, I would seriously worry for Levy’s safety if he tries the old transfer switcharoo (little Oz ref for ya all there!) on him. I think Ange would tear him apart. Literally.

Enrique would probably shrug his shoulders and walk off mumbling. Which means less murder involved. Generally I’m all for less murder, as a rule. So I think Enrique will get it, but, I could be swayed.

Flobadob · Jun 1, 2023

Oscar22 said:
I see what you’re trying to suggest here, but personally I don’t think there is any evidence whatsoever to support it.

He’s not our manager yet, there can’t be yet haha. Raya in particular isn’t of huge concern because he’ll probably want to stay in London, Chelsea could easily want to upgrade on Kepa though and then we have the problem I’m suggesting. My main point is attracting a certain calibre of player like I listed and that potentially being a problem when there is a high level of competition from top clubs with mostly top proven managers. We would 100% be starting off at the bottom of the pile. Hopefully he could convince them but as you say there’s no evidence to support my theory there’s also none to suggest he can convince a high calibre/high status player that he’s the real deal. This is one of the many problems people have with this appointment, most people won’t take someone seriously until they prove themselves the real deal, it’s just the reality of the world we live in.

Bobbins · Jun 1, 2023

One thing that will be nice will be having a manager who speaks English as his first language.

Poch, Jose and Conte all spoke excellent English but managers need to be clear and precise a lot of the time, and with the exception of Jose to an extent, it was often hard to figure out what these guys were really trying to say…

McFlash · Jun 1, 2023

Bobbins said:
One thing that will be nice will be having a manager who speaks English as his first language.

Poch, Jose and Conte all spoke excellent English but managers need to be clear and precise a lot of the time, and with the exception of Hose to an extent, it was often hard to figure out what these guys were really trying to say…

But Ange is Australian?!

gavspur · Jun 1, 2023

McFlash said:
But Ange is Australian?!

Yeah, it’s more of a problem, none of our team speak Australian!!

Tezza1978 · Jun 1, 2023

McFlash said:
But Ange is Australian?!

ButchCassidy · Jun 1, 2023

Flobadob said:
He’s not our manager yet, there can’t be yet haha. Raya in particular isn’t of huge concern because he’ll probably want to stay in London, Chelsea could easily want to upgrade on Kepa though and then we have the problem I’m suggesting. My main point is attracting a certain calibre of player like I listed and that potentially being a problem when there is a high level of competition from top clubs with mostly top proven managers. We would 100% be starting off at the bottom of the pile. Hopefully he could convince them but as you say there’s no evidence to support my theory there’s also none to suggest he can convince a high calibre/high status player that he’s the real deal. This is one of the many problems people have with this appointment, most people won’t take someone seriously until they prove themselves the real deal, it’s just the reality of the world we live in.

We’re already bottom of that pile mate, even with a Nagelsmann in charge we’re out of Europe and the teams above us pay bigger wages. We don’t beat teams like United and Liverpool by going toe-to-toe for big signings, that model won’t work for us. We built our last great team on Vertonghens, Llorises, Dembele’s, clever signings with high ceilings. If we can’t get back to that, it’s not really going to matter who the manager is.

Oscar22 · Jun 1, 2023

Flobadob said:
He’s not our manager yet, there can’t be yet haha. Raya in particular isn’t of huge concern because he’ll probably want to stay in London, Chelsea could easily want to upgrade on Kepa though and then we have the problem I’m suggesting. My main point is attracting a certain calibre of player like I listed and that potentially being a problem when there is a high level of competition from top clubs with mostly top proven managers. We would 100% be starting off at the bottom of the pile. Hopefully he could convince them but as you say there’s no evidence to support my theory there’s also none to suggest he can convince a high calibre/high status player that he’s the real deal. This is one of the many problems people have with this appointment, most people won’t take someone seriously until they prove themselves the real deal, it’s just the reality of the world we live in.

Sure, and I do get this way of thinking, but I think in all but a few obvious exceptions the managers ‘name’ so to speak isn’t as large part of the choice as you suggest.

I’ve heard players say they would love to play for Pep, Mourinho and some others. However outside of four or five names I don’t think it’s as much of an issue.

We’ve seen in recent years that money talks, Chelsea will always buy big name players regardless of who their manager is, or whether they’re in Europe etc. Offer enough cash and players will join.

I think we also need to look at it from the pov that we don’t buy big players, we just don’t, we won’t pay for ready made stars, but instead at best shop at the next level down. Our biggest star player is homegrown, Son came in from Leverkusen and luckily exceeded even high expectations.

We don’t compete with the biggest clubs for players, it’s more likely we shop at the biggest clubs in order to try and convince players stuck on their benches that they can get more time on the pitch in our first team. Outside of that we might spend bigger money on players that look good in France and Portugal, and we’ve seen how mixed those results are.

I just feel like at the level we’re at, it comes more down to a.) money, and b.) if it’s about managers you need someone who can sell you a project, talk about how they will use you, and make you feel part of something worthwhile.

Having listened to Ange talk, I’d give him as good a chance, if not slightly higher chance of being able to do that than I would the managers of the sorts of clubs we would compete with.

PrettyColors · Jun 1, 2023

Oscar22 said:
I’m actually honestly pretty optimistic about Ange tbh, he’s a likeable bloke which is more than we’ve had in the last four years.

His team plays attractive football.

More than anything though I get a good gut feeling about him, he seems the type to galvanise a squad that’s underperforming, put an arm round a shoulder and squeeze all the effort out of players, and much more needed he seems the type that will ship out some of our lazy, uninterested, stealing a living types.

Sure, Scotland, terrible league. I just feel like if you look at him as a person though, he has the qualities required.

Let’s just get some actual positivity about the place for the first time four years.

It’s funny because I remember the exact same negative things being said about Big Martin Jol. 20 years ago now. I actually think they’re incredibly similar as candidates.

G Ron · Jun 1, 2023

Snarfalicious said:
Well, that’s me hard.

I’ve heard very similar today from 2 different people, one Falkirk supporting work colleague who insists Ange is the real deal, a fearsome character who will insist on full control and won’t take any nonsense from Levy.

Another from a client of mine who’s a huge Celtic and Gooner fan (I know). He said the football is breathtaking, the fans absolutely love Ange and that he’s got an unreal eye for a player and cracking knowledge of Asian players.

Clearly there are higher profile managers out there, but I take a lot of comfort from a lot of the feedback I’m hearing / reading about Ange. As much as I was on the Nagelsmann / Slot train I am intrigued and quite excited by Ange (he’s miles better than Nuno who was another bore merchant) and I’ll certainly back him if he is the chosen one.

Caco · Jun 1, 2023

I know there aren't many options open for manager, but really not getting the Ange love in vibes. He succeeded in Celtic mainly because he had experience of the J League and tapped into that resource to win titles with Celtic in Scotland. Open to be corrected, but that shit ain't gonna work in the premier League.

tony0379 · Jun 1, 2023

G Ron said:
I’ve heard very similar today from 2 different people, one Falkirk supporting work colleague who insists Ange is the real deal, a fearsome character who will insist on full control and won’t take any nonse from Levy.

Another from a client of mine who’s a huge Celtic and Gooner fan (I know). He said the football is breathtaking, the fans absolutely love Ange and that he’s got an unreal eye for a player and cracking knowledge of Asian players.

Clearly there are higher profile manager out there, but I take a lot of comfort from a lot of the feedback I’m hearing / reading about Ange. As much as I was on the Nagelsmann / Slot train I am intrigued and quite excited by Ange (he’s miles better than Nuno who was another bore merchant) and I’ll certainly back him if he is the chosen one.

Well I bloody hope he doesn't take any nonse from Levy

Shanks · Jun 1, 2023

McFlash said:
But Ange is Australian?!

Yeah but most of us of a certain age grew up with neighbours and home and away

tony0379 · Jun 1, 2023

Shanks said:
Yeah but most of us of a certain age grew up with neighbours and home and away

And the Paul Hogan show

Spurs4CL · Jun 1, 2023

Shanks said:
Yeah but most of us of a certain age grew up with neighbours and home and away

Not me, my house was Detached.

Oscar22 · Jun 1, 2023

Caco said:
I know there aren't many options open for manager, but really not getting the Ange love in vibes. He succeeded in Celtic mainly because he had experience of the J League and tapped into that resource to win titles with Celtic in Scotland. Open to be corrected, but that shit ain't gonna work in the premier League.

A manager won a league, by using his high level of knowledge about another league, in order to sign its best players, who other clubs probably turned their noses up at… im not seeing the criticism?

Is it not a good sign that a manager can spot talent and promise in players regardless of the league they’re in?

King of the Lane · Jun 1, 2023

I've just received a courier pidgeon from my imaginary friend who is a long time Celtic fan and he said "Yeah Ange is great and all but the real question we need to go back to is...does Eric Dier speak Spanish?"

Caco · Jun 1, 2023

Oscar22 said:
A manager won a league, by using his high level of knowledge about another league, in order to sign its best players, who other clubs probably turned their noses up at… im not seeing the criticism?

Is it not a good sign that a manager can spot talent and promise in players regardless of the league they’re in?

Sorry, probably leaving out the fact that he had knowledge that aided him in buying relatively cheap players from the J League who were better than what was in Scotland. Not saying he isn't a good manager as he had to show some level of pedigree in Japan for Celtic to come knocking, but this isn't Wheeler Dealers, there's only so much trading up you can do.

Flobadob · Jun 1, 2023

ButchCassidy said:
We’re already bottom of that pile mate, even with a Nagelsmann in charge we’re out of Europe and the teams above us pay bigger wages. We don’t beat teams like United and Liverpool by going toe-to-toe for big signings, that model won’t work for us. We built our last great team on Vertonghens, Llorises, Dembele’s, clever signings with high ceilings. If we can’t get back to that, it’s not really going to matter who the manager is.

Obviously Laporte is now a pipe dream, but I have to be honest I’d consider players like N’dicka and Raya to be pretty close to the realm of players like Vertonghen and Lloris in their careers at the time we signed them, highly regarded and watched by many big clubs but still yet to prove themselves at a higher level/bigger club. We’ll face stiff competition for both and I hope we won’t be putting ourselves on the back foot even more because our manager doesn’t have a great level of pull. I think if we get Ange I’ll look forward to a good style of play and he’ll probably generally get the best out of our squad more so than Conte or Mourinho as our best players are young, energetic and technical players but we’re gonna need a top GK and CB or we’ll fail IMO no matter who the manager is. I really think it’s that black and white as it stands, our defence is truly poor right now. We can muck about with prospects in other positions or rough diamonds but we really need to get those 2 right or we’ll be struggling to get into Europe again next season I fear

septicsac · Jun 1, 2023

Archibald&Crooks said:
It's amazing how many people on SC have mates who are Celtic fans. Not only that, but all these 'mates' have heard the same thing. And not only that and that, but all of you have spoken to each individual mate within a few hours of each other. The sequence of coincidences is astounding. I reckon it's the same guy, Tammy McTwitter

Support Spurs primarily, but also soft spot for Celtic, most Celtic fans are worried about losing Ange, but let's face it they have no inside line to what's going on. Many cannot believe the disdain held by Spurs fans for him and believe we will be lucky to get him. Personally hope he stays at Celtic as Levy will inevitably screw him over and both teams are then losing out.
Imagine the melt down here when he turns us down

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