Next Manager Watch

spursfan77 · Jun 4, 2023

For the love of Spurs said:
My guess is he will turn us down then the club will run for an emergency appointment free agent like Luis Enrique or Gallardo (not suggesting they are not great managers but far from first choice for whatever reason by the board). At least the Nuno option this time might be a decent manager but it’s a far cry from Nagelsmann or Pochettino.

He’s not going to turn us down. If you listen to the interview on YouTube as to how he got the Celtic job, he’s not turning down coming to the PL to manage us. Managing in europe and getting the best job he can, has always been his dream and motivation. If we don’t appoint him it will be because rightly or wrongly we’ve decided to go another way.

ReadieSpur · Jun 4, 2023

the stick man said:
I have a 7 year old boy who plays for two football teams and his school. I go to the games, training etc. there is not a single other spurs shirt. In about 100 kids. Not one. When you talk to these kids about spurs, they know the club as losers who play poor football. There are three Brighton shirts. The kids parents do not support Brighton. The kids just liked watching them this year.
Those of you, like me, that remember spurs winning trophies in the past, well that is exactly what it is. The past. Too long ago now to affect a 7 year old kid. They don’t even know who Paul gascoinge is let alone Jimmy greaves

It isn’t fancy stadiums or good financial returns that attract fans to your club. It’s decent football with good attitude and ambition.
The current ambassadors of our great club would do well to think about that at the moment.

Small sample size. I'm in Bristol and other than Liverpool, the majority of kids seem to be in spurs kits. (mostly because of Kane.. Or their dad's forced them like me.

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Spursberg · Jun 4, 2023

OK at least we get our moto back right?
If appointing a manager that at the age of 57 more or less only have a good run with Celtic to his name. Noone can say that Spurs is not "To dare is to do" right.......

Rout-Ledge · Jun 4, 2023

Wearegoingtowintheleague said:
I'm really not seeing it with Ange. I get that he says some positive things to players and that he wants to play attractive football. He is likable which is a bonus too.

However, with his record in Scotland being very similar to Neil Lennon's time managing there, i thought I'd look at his record at his previous club to see if I'm missing something.

From his time at Yokohama Marionos.

His PPG was 1.66

The two managers after him
Hideski matsunaga (only 5 matches mind) 2.40
Kevin muscat (86 matches) 1.95

Before him
He matched Erick Mombaerts 1.66
and Yashuhiro Higuchi 1.67

So looking at both his time at Celtic and Yokohama his stats really don't stand out.

Would we be looking at Kevin Muscat who has outperformed him at Yokohama or Neil Lennon who matched him at Celtic?

I'll back him 100% if he gets that job, but I'd be lying if I said I don't have major concerns, if things don't start well it's not like he has an amazing record that we can fall back on.

It has the makings of a perfect storm, a poor start by us, Chelsea getting off to a great start under Poch and Arsenal coming out the blocks flying and I hate to think how toxic things could become.

He’s clearly a massive risk as he’s never managed a team of top players in a top league before, but I don’t think PPG stats ever tell the full story about a manager. The Celtic fans adore him. Some of our managers with decent PPG stats are absolutely not considered better than certain others with worse stats on paper.

Metalhead · Jun 4, 2023

Wearegoingtowintheleague said:
I'm really not seeing it with Ange. I get that he says some positive things to players and that he wants to play attractive football. He is likable which is a bonus too.

However, with his record in Scotland being very similar to Neil Lennon's time managing there, i thought I'd look at his record at his previous club to see if I'm missing something.

From his time at Yokohama Marionos.

His PPG was 1.66

The two managers after him
Hideski matsunaga (only 5 matches mind) 2.40
Kevin muscat (86 matches) 1.95

Before him
He matched Erick Mombaerts 1.66
and Yashuhiro Higuchi 1.67

So looking at both his time at Celtic and Yokohama his stats really don't stand out.

Would we be looking at Kevin Muscat who has outperformed him at Yokohama or Neil Lennon who matched him at Celtic?

I'll back him 100% if he gets that job, but I'd be lying if I said I don't have major concerns, if things don't start well it's not like he has an amazing record that we can fall back on.

It has the makings of a perfect storm, a poor start by us, Chelsea getting off to a great start under Poch and Arsenal coming out the blocks flying and I hate to think how toxic things could become.

Whoever comes in, we will likely have a bumpy start or a few bumps in the road - I hope that people aren't under any illusions about that.

Archibald&Crooks · Jun 4, 2023

I've deleted the poll and if real life and my ever increasing apathy permits, i'll knock another pointless question up only for one of the candidates to be ruled out resulting in more cries of "hey, SC the poll, the poll" like tattoo from Fantasy fucking Island, a location which, by the way, is where i'm increasingly convinced a lot of you reside.

ReadieSpur · Jun 4, 2023

SpursSince1980 said:
Based on every ITK on here, (elsewhere and inferences in the media), I can’t see a single reason to be positive about any appointment. They all universally agree that the show is being run by clowns. A house divided by idiocy, incompetence, narcissism, and greed. A house described that way will always fall. So, what’s the point and who cares who we hire? Because it sounds like each and every coach is simply managing the symptoms! The culture being described, sounds like is chronic illness, that is inoperable and is in the clutches of a terminal spiral.

So, really? Does any of this bullshit matter anymore? Sounds like ITKers are in unambiguous agreement that we are anchored in purgatory. I don’t see any reason really to get excited or annoyed at any appointment, as no matter who they are, it won’t fix the illness. That’s what tugs at my heart the most. This picture that has been painted is one of futility and failure. Why bother getting happy or distressed by Ange or Enrique or Potter or JN or De Zerbi or anyone? Sounds like all roads lead to nowhere as long as ENIC and Daniel are captaining the ship.

For me, hearing all of that has drained my love for the club, as it makes it impossible not to see shoots of hope dying before they even have a chance to flower.

Stop reading the constant negative posting by them then. It's so clear that some are so biased against the board that all their posts reflect that.

Start focusing on the positive, it's really not that bad. Did you think that we were in a better place than arsenal last year when we finished above them. again? Newcastle nearly got relegated last season and just finished 3rd. (I know they have untold riches, but they didn't splash that much cash to get 3rd and they were starting from a much lower base then us). Look at villas turn around? The point is, it's easy to let a shit season to get you down. Our season was So shit, that we finished 8th. Brighton had an amazing season and finished a whopping 2 points ahead. That shows you how far we have come and how expectations have grown.

We have everything thing set up (stadium, training ground, commercial etc etc.) to be a massive club. We have a fresh start coming under a new manager (hopefully with attacking football). Let's get in a couple of centre backs and an attacking midfielder and we go again.
Football is a hobby. Hobbies are supposed to be fun. Don't get drawn down into the endless negative spiral that some seem to enjoy so much.

jay2040 · Jun 4, 2023

RJR1949 said:
The club is not the board.

The club is not the manager.

The club is not the team.

The club is the supporters.

I supported the club well before any of the current board, manager and team were born.

And I’ll support the team irrespective of who happens to be in charge.

The really awful times (like relegation in the 70s) make the good times sweeter.

Disagree.
The club is not just the supporters, it needs all of the components you mentioned.

jay2040 · Jun 4, 2023

Sjhawuk said:
I live in Gloucestershire, and there are many many kids at my sons school in spurs shirts, however they all have Kane on the back. Probably helps that he’s england captain, but I worry if he goes we will loose a lot of future fans.

kids these days follow players (Haaland, mbappe, and in past ronaldo, Messi etc) , more then the clubs these days and it’s probably going to be a long time before we buy world class players that new fans want to follow and support us because of that.

Agree. Also kids will want success and trophies. Not sure many will stick with a trophy less Spurs for years as we have done!

Wearegoingtowintheleague · Jun 4, 2023

Rout-Ledge said:
He’s clearly a massive risk as he’s never managed a team of top players in a top league before, but I don’t think PPG stats ever tell the full story about a manager. The Celtic fans adore him. Some of our managers with decent PPG stats are absolutely not considered better than certain others with worse stats on paper.

I get what you're saying about the fans adoring him. I would point out what was being said about Lennon too, before he the wheels fell off.

He brought back the noise after everything had gone deathly quiet at Celtic Park.

Celtic won buckets of titles, they signed some players who went on to become superstars, they won the kind of games in Europe that are miles beyond them. The good times were extremely good.

Celtic supporters will have to wait an awfully long time before anything rivals their victory over Barcelona, not just in terms of the quality of performance that made it possible but the quality of atmosphere, which was extraordinary.

As an occasion - noise and colour and drama - that night could go toe-to-toe with any other event in another sport in the intervening years. The ringing in the ears lasted for days. That was on Lennon's watch.

In frighteningly hot company, Lennon is in the pantheon in the Celtic trophy stakes and out on his own as the one person in the club's history who has completed domestic trebles as player and manager. That stays. Nobody can take that away from him. Long after the calamity that is Shane Duffy is forgotten, that mantle will remain.

Schoon-related · Jun 4, 2023

Dear Ange,
Congratulations we'd like to discuss the position of MANAGER further.
The process will be as follows:
Initial Recruiter screening June 5th
Hiring manager interview June 12th
Technical interview/take home test tbd
Interview with head of MANAGER. Tbd
What is your current salary?
What is your notice period?
Do you have any mates who are Celtic fans?
Regards,
THFC recruitment division

Hoopspur · Jun 4, 2023

ReadieSpur said:
Start focusing on the positive, it's really not that bad. Did you think that we were in a better place than arsenal last year when we finished above them. again? Newcastle nearly got relegated last season and just finished 3rd. (I know they have untold riches, but they didn't splash that much cash to get 3rd and they were starting from a much lower base then us). Look at villas turn around? The point is, it's easy to let a shit season to get you down. Our season was So shit, that we finished 8th. Brighton had an amazing season and finished a whopping 2 points ahead. That shows you how far we have come and how expectations have grown.

We have everything thing set up (stadium, training ground, commercial etc etc.) to be a massive club. We have a fresh start coming under a new manager (hopefully with attacking football). Let's get in a couple of centre backs and an attacking midfielder and we go again.
Football is a hobby. Hobbies are supposed to be fun. Don't get drawn down into the endless negative spiral that some seem to enjoy so much.

I think a lot of it is basic as this. Hopefully a new manager with a different philosophy will help us enjoy again. That’s why I want us to try a motivator and outwardly positive person like Ange. Doom and gloom can do one.

Oscar22 · Jun 4, 2023

SpursSince1980 said:
1984 is approximately when I started to really follow the club as a fan.

One FA Cup and 2 league cups.

So, pardon me for feeling pessimistic. Often I don’t. But this is the first in nearly 40 years where I’m having a hard time holding my chin up. My fucking neck hurts. And I’m fed up.

Last summer there was so much optimism. Levy had learnt his lessons. Paratici was a fucking transfer Svengali. Conte was gonna be backed and we would be on the road to glory!

Turns out though that we are on a road to nowhere according to all the ITK here, elsewhere, in the press… and so on.

So, yeah…. Now I’m a pessimistic. Took me nearly 40 years. And I tried to stay upbeat. But now, I’m a little not so upbeat. I’ll still watch all our games as I always have, but that spark in me that I used to have for the club has dissipated over the last two years.

And don’t ever tell another person what to do. That is some seriously patronizing shit. You don’t know me. No idea what else informs my feelings and opinions. So what gives you the right to tell me how to feel? How to be more informed? Did my comment piss you off? If so…

Mea culpa

SpursSince1980 said:
Or how about I advise you to not be so patronizing? And understand that I have the intellectual acuity to also use my eyes and brain to process information. Form my own opinions to go with what I hear? To have enough common sense to parse the difference between agenda and fact.

And do you really think after supporting us for 40 years I need some tit on social media or someone who professes on a message board to know what goes on behind the scenes, to impact my perspective of a team that has won one significant trophy in those 40 yrs?

The fucking facts speak for themselves. Loudly.

Sorry, but these are two frankly bizarre responses for an internet forum.

You yourself literally said that you read the ITK and that it affects your feelings of negativity. Then when two people, suggested that maybe applying a little more salt and not taking it as absolute gospel, you’ve gone into one and started calling them patronising?!

Nothing about either of the two posts you responded to were patronising. They were actually fair enough, your response to them was more so tbh, and no one got aggy at you like you did them.

In one line you say we heard Levy learned from his mistakes, Paratici was a Svengali, and that Conte was being backed… and that didn’t happen at all, so the information we got at the time didn’t end up being accurate did it, and that’s for numerous reasons most likely Daniel Levy.

However, you posting something which can garner a fair enough response only to then gain a reply from you referring to people as tits, making assumptions about your intelligence (which never actually happened) and getting all shouty and sweary is just nonsense.

We’re all negative about what’s been happening, there’s nothing wrong with people suggesting ways people can feel less negatively about it.

Ghost Hardware · Jun 4, 2023

Rout-Ledge said:
I’ve been leaning towards Enrique, and I do think he’s a safer bet, but the one thing you could guarantee with Ange is that he’d give absolutely everything he has to succeed in this job. I’m sure Luis Enrique would give it a decent crack too, but when you’ve managed Barca and the Spanish national team you can’t make that same guarantee of heart and soul.

I think there’s be no difference tbh. Enrique clearly desperately wants the gig, he will be bruised by how it ended with Spain and has been talking about about what to start a project. I think if he wasn’t up for a fight then he’d go for Napoli or aim for PSG. Unfortunately we have become a team that has a certain stigma attached especially when it comes to managers.

k1cks77 · Jun 4, 2023

Apologies if this has been posted before, (no it’s not ange’s philosophy video for the hundredth time!) I thought this was a great short insight from harry kewell into the kind of guy ange is. If he does come, i just want a manager we can get behind and be proud of, (which i haven’t had since poch left) and he seems to be that kind of man.

the stick man · Jun 4, 2023

For the love of Spurs said:
Out of curiosity where do you live (roughly) I assume this ain’t in traditional Spurs locations like Enfield.

As for ambition I don’t think the board give a crap about that, on the pitch anyway or if they do then it’s just incompetence, while they are here we will be also rans.

I live in Crawley

there were LOADS of spurs fans when I was at school in the 80’s

McFlash · Jun 4, 2023

Shanks said:
Im down in north Hampshire and there are lots of spurs fans this way

I'm in West Sussex and see loads of young kids in Spurs shirts round here.

Buggsy61 · Jun 4, 2023

Ange would not be my first choice if I'm honest- I was hoping for Arne Slot, but that ship has sailed and I do worry that his cavalier approach might come unstuck in the Premier League where you are up against quality defences, quality attacks and wily experienced managers every week.
However, I do like his positivity and energy, which I think our club could really do with right now in bringing everyone together - a bit like Jol, Arry and Poch did for us in the past. Reading about his background, he obviously came from quite humble beginnings and had to struggle for things in life, and fight hard to get where he is right now, and that breeds an iron hard determination which he will need with us in the state we are in right now.
It would be good to enjoy going again, and seeing smiles on peoples faces. There were times last season when our group was sat in the pub as the time to get the train from Liverpool Street was coming up when it was tempting to forget about the game altogether and have another beer.
If it is to be him, I hope he gets the support he needs from us and the Board.

bigfrooj · Jun 4, 2023

Wearegoingtowintheleague said:
I get what you're saying about the fans adoring him. I would point out what was being said about Lennon too, before he the wheels fell off.

He brought back the noise after everything had gone deathly quiet at Celtic Park.

Celtic won buckets of titles, they signed some players who went on to become superstars, they won the kind of games in Europe that are miles beyond them. The good times were extremely good.

Celtic supporters will have to wait an awfully long time before anything rivals their victory over Barcelona, not just in terms of the quality of performance that made it possible but the quality of atmosphere, which was extraordinary.

As an occasion - noise and colour and drama - that night could go toe-to-toe with any other event in another sport in the intervening years. The ringing in the ears lasted for days. That was on Lennon's watch.

In frighteningly hot company, Lennon is in the pantheon in the Celtic trophy stakes and out on his own as the one person in the club's history who has completed domestic trebles as player and manager. That stays. Nobody can take that away from him. Long after the calamity that is Shane Duffy is forgotten, that mantle will remain.

I don’t know much about modern Scottish football but I get the impression that Lennon was all about bringing out the aggression and hatred in the City to motivate his team at the same time his main rivals Rangers were in all kinds of trouble. AP seems to motivate by bringing out the best in his team and being loved and accepted by the fans, playing high quality Manchester City type football in a mostly low quality league. A guy that’s taken thirty years of the hard yards to get where he is and now wants to take his big opportunity. A guy known to dare and to do.

It appeals to me, I’m fed up with the managers like Mourinho, Nuno and Conte and their brand of football. I don’t just want a fairy tale, I want to enjoy watching my beloved Spurs again.

WiganSpur · Jun 4, 2023

mil1lion said:
You have more faith then me in how we are running things

It's clearly been a clown show. Anyone's guess as to why we didn't go for Nagelsmann or Poch but I do also think we've suffered the problem of Slot being our first choice and thus needing to wait until the season end to try to advance talks. And now that's broken down, Alonso and Kompany are off the table, Ange is the next choice and now we're having to wait for him also

The biggest mistakes here imo are not paying up for Slot, and not going back for Nagelsmann or Poch after those talks broke down.

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