The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

CowInAComa · Aug 31, 2023

IfiHadTheWings said:
If today comes and goes and we don't bring anyone in the toxicity is going to be nuts.

he cannot read a room or he just doesn't give a shit, selling Kane and not a single incoming since, at least if we spent the Kane money prior then announce them after he's gone for the optics alone.

We got till tomorrow 11pm. Wouldn't get your hopes up about today.

He will try and be clever and leave everything to last knockings. 75% chance he fumbles it, 25% chance he pulls something off.

Stamford · Aug 31, 2023

chas vs dave said:
Yet he isnt. They haven't taken a penny out of the club. It's plain as day on the P & L.

At least get that fact right.

Has he stifled the club on the playing field, yes.

Is he risk adverse and not doing enough to move this club forward, yes.

Genuine question though. Where is the money going then. Most clubs this summer did not sell a player for 100m yet are spending 50-100m on players because of the insane tv deal the Premier league enjoys. So where is the money headed. I want to know

chas vs dave · Aug 31, 2023

KingNick said:
Profit doesn’t have to be in cash/dividends. The enormous capital gain is a profit on the original investment. That capital gain has been used by leveraging the stadium/ticket/broadcast income to secure a very large debt to build the new stadium without ever investing more than they would be able to take out.

That was always the intention though, it's fine to criticise Enic for being a passive investor.

I think they are foolish in that sense. They could invest more in the playing style, and increase the club value exponentially.

My issue with Enic is that they don't want to push us above the current glass ceiling. The only way to do that is to apply risk.

KingNick · Aug 31, 2023

Stamford said:
Genuine question though. Where is the money going then. Most clubs this summer did not sell a player for 100m yet are spending 50-100m on players because of the insane tv deal the Premier league enjoys. So where is the money headed. I want to know

It will be in the club’s bank account. We will have to see the relevant year end account to know whether it ultimately becomes a dividend (doubt it as they never pay dividends), whether it is used for other club spending or remains in the bank ready to be spent.

IfiHadTheWings · Aug 31, 2023

CowInAComa said:
We got till tomorrow 11pm. Wouldn't get your hopes up about today.

He will try and be clever and leave everything to last knockings. 75% chance he fumbles it, 25% chance he pulls something off.

Cheers mate, pissed on my cornflakes ain't ya, i thought it was Friday today.

yido_number1 · Aug 31, 2023

Danny1 said:
Again, read my original post. I’m not defending Levy, I’m trying to get people to calm down a bit over the non purchase of a kid on loan from Barcelona.

I want Levy out as much as the next person, but we aren’t going to totally upgrade the squad in one or two transfer windows. There is so much to do, so many players to sell and a lot of players to buy. I’m hoping that by the end of next summer we will start to see a squad that Ange can work with, not just 13/14 players.

I brought it here to avoid spamming in the Johnson thread.

My biggest issue with the end of next summer is that its always the end of next summer and the manager always pays the price. We've been rebuilding for the big push for 20 years now. I genuinely thought if we sold kane we'd push on and complete the squad.

Ange seems like a good one, with a little extra backing it could be special but we're falling short again. That Fulham display just highlights how close to oblivion we are. One injury to Romero, vdv or bissouma and we aren't any where near as good.

CowInAComa · Aug 31, 2023

Enic is the problem more than levy.

You get a new chairman, and get the same financial prudence with a different face.

I bet they love that levy is the lightening rod

yido_number1 · Aug 31, 2023

chas vs dave said:
That was always the intention though, it's fine to criticise Enic for being a passive investor.

I think they are foolish in that sense. They could invest more in the playing style, and increase the club value exponentially.

My issue with Enic is that they don't want to push us above the current glass ceiling. The only way to do that is to apply risk.

To be fair to Enic they have invested in all the infrastructure to improve the value of the club. Unfortunately their focus is on things like Hotels, concert facilities and exec experience seating rather than the thing we pay to watch.

I think that's the most frustrating thing that it's always just not quite enough to push through the glass ceiling.

I agree with your sentiment above

chas vs dave · Aug 31, 2023

yido_number1 said:
To be fair to Enic they have invested in all the infrastructure to improve the value of the club. Unfortunately their focus is on things like Hotels, concert facilities and exec experience seating rather than the thing we pay to watch.

I think that's the most frustrating thing that it's always just not quite enough to push through the glass ceiling.

I agree with your sentiment above

It's this, and the lack of planning. I don't actually care about fati. I care about the fact that it feels like we are scrabbling around 48 hours before the window shuts.

It's always opportunity over plan.

Metalhead · Aug 31, 2023

SargeantMeatCurtains said:
The issue is there is a lot of people bandwagoning the levy hate train specifically because he’s Jewish.

I genuinely can’t remember the last time someone else was so consistently labelled a “parasite” or “vermin”. I’ve never seen Sol Campbell called those things before, why Levy?

Even if you mean no harm, relatively speaking, it’s not hard to just call him something else.

I hate Levy more than the next man for how he runs this club, I’m not Jewish, but I’m also not comfortable with the fans who call him a parasite or words to that effect.

I totally understand - whenever people refer to Levy as 'tight' it puts me on edge as I always expect the stereotype follow up and I know that I am potentially doing the person in question a disservice but when you've grown up with the tropes of 'penny pinching' Jews it does make one more sensitive to it.

Metalhead · Aug 31, 2023

chas vs dave said:
It's this, and the lack of planning. I don't actually care about fati. I care about the fact that it feels like we are scrabbling around 48 hours before the window shuts.

It's always opportunity over plan.

True. Obviously when it comes off, great but on the other side of the coin, it would actually feel more like a proper plan - if less glamorous - that we end up with Brennan Johnson because we know that is part of a strategy. Saying that, if we end up with the planned signing and the opportunistic one: all the better. In this case, we could well end up with neither.

I know that people have their opinions on players but for me, the most important thing is seeing Ange get the majority of what he wants.

KingNick · Aug 31, 2023

yido_number1 said:
To be fair to Enic they have invested in all the infrastructure to improve the value of the club. Unfortunately their focus is on things like Hotels, concert facilities and exec experience seating rather than the thing we pay to watch.

I think that's the most frustrating thing that it's always just not quite enough to push through the glass ceiling.

I agree with your sentiment above

I wouldn’t say they have “invested”. They have used the club’s own assets to raise the debt. And that debt is all pretty safe because the tv deals and other commercial income has been reliable (and increasing). It’s always been incredibly low risk to the value of their shareholding.

It’s no different to the way the Glazers used Man Utd to fund their takeover in the first place. The difference is they have taken massive dividends and have failed to maintain infrastructure at the same time. Although they have been able to maintain spending on the playing side and won trophies.

0-Tibsy-0 · Aug 31, 2023

SargeantMeatCurtains said:
The issue is there is a lot of people bandwagoning the levy hate train specifically because he’s Jewish.

I genuinely can’t remember the last time someone else was so consistently labelled a “parasite” or “vermin”. I’ve never seen Sol Campbell called those things before, why Levy?

Even if you mean no harm, relatively speaking, it’s not hard to just call him something else.

I hate Levy more than the next man for how he runs this club, I’m not Jewish, but I’m also not comfortable with the fans who call him a parasite or words to that effect.

While I have chosen not to use that word on here because of the intention that has been projected on to the description (a point you made and bolded above). It is, for many, purely a word that means that someone is benefitting off another by exploiting it - obviously progressing the definition; a natural organisms way of living off another living thing.

IE; Enic are benefitting financially from Spurs and are exploiting fans. (some peoples' view)

I've used that word for years, without knowing someone's ethnicity, religion or background , if I believe that they are exploiting someone/a situation.

I genuinely don't think that the vast majority intend any anti-Semitism as most people, I guess under a certain age or from different places, have never heard of this certain strand of etymology.

Though with Campbell (your example)- I guess 'Judas' is even more obviously religiously charged. Though, again, it is a word that has become synonymous with betrayal and I doubt many even consider why the adjective came about. So again the intention isn't to even have religious connotations when used.

Mattspur · Aug 31, 2023

13VanDerBale13 said:
We’ll never win anything under this ownership, that’s the sad reality.

Never? We already have.

eddiev14 · Aug 31, 2023

It’s absolutely outrageous that we’ve sold Harry Kane for a record fee and don’t appear to be interested in buying a striker to replace some of those goals.

Richarlison is so obviously not the answer. He needs competition.

Levy said there was a strategy. We appear to be lurching around after opportunistic deals, which is just classic Levy and why the squad is in the mess it is currently. The guy never learns - just so tired of it.

KingNick · Aug 31, 2023

eddiev14 said:
It’s absolutely outrageous that we’ve sold Harry Kane for a record fee and don’t appear to be interested in buying a striker to replace some of those goals.

Richarlison is so obviously not the answer. He needs competition.

And if this is an Ange decision? That he has looked at the CF options on the market and decided he doesn’t want any of them. That at the moment he prefers adding Johnson to what we already have and having different types to play across the front line.
What then? Does he not get any benefit of doubt?

Albertbarich · Aug 31, 2023

The bigger problem is people lose their shit when the transfer window doesn't go their way and then once a shiny new signing comes along all is forgiven with many.

This anger and energy should be there all the time. It's not like they're hiding it but as the rumours stated Levy knows a couple of wins and the anger dies down and he just carries on.

I get it , people only care about the football and don't really care about everything around it and believe me with the night I just had I know it's not important in the grand scheme of our lives but the anger and energy shouldn't go away because we win a game or sign someone.

The lack of planning, the lack of understanding the issues he is causing, the wages versus rivals , his own wages, pricing so many of us from going anywhere near our stadium, trying to move us to east London and plastering red across our shirt in the name of 'competing', etc etc etc. This man doesn't hide the fact he is running an asset and not a foot all club that he cares about the soul and history of and even worse his ego won't allow him to stay out of things he clearly isn't smart enough to get involved with hence the mess our squad is in.

We can't make him sell but after everything he has done I don't understand why not signing someone on loan from Barcelona who are also a mess by the way is what pushes you over the edge.

chas vs dave · Aug 31, 2023

Stamford said:
Genuine question though. Where is the money going then. Most clubs this summer did not sell a player for 100m yet are spending 50-100m on players because of the insane tv deal the Premier league enjoys. So where is the money headed. I want to know

Transfer debt and write downs.

I think levy is trying to position ourselves to be strongest when tougher ffp kicks in.

I think he's being incredibly nieve.

eddiev14 · Aug 31, 2023

KingNick said:
And if this is an Ange decision? That he has looked at the CF options on the market and decided he doesn’t want any of them. That at the moment he prefers adding Johnson to what we already have and having different types to play across the front line.
What then? Does he not get any benefit of doubt?

To be honest mate while it’s obviously important for the manager to be involved in the process, we should have a scouting and recruitment department that identifies players who are going to take us to the next level, fit into the club’s playing philosophy and then go and sign them.

It’s then up to the manager to train them, develop them and play them.

This appears to be what the best run clubs a rung down from us are doing.

If it’s absolutely all on the manager’s choice we end up with a situation like we had with AVB and Pochettino where they actively block us signing very good players because they want other ones we can’t actually sign. Similar with Conte.

KingNick · Aug 31, 2023

eddiev14 said:
To be honest mate while it’s obviously important for the manager to be involved in the process, we should have a scouting and recruitment department that identifies players who are going to take us to the next level, fit into the club’s playing philosophy and then go and sign them.

It’s then up to the manager to train them, develop them and play them.

This appears to be what the best run clubs a rung down from us are doing.

If it’s absolutely all on the manager’s choice we end up with a situation like we had with AVB and Pochettino where they actively block us signing very good players because they want other ones we can’t actually sign. Similar with Conte.

So you want club signings without reference to the manager and how he wants to work? Or How many players he believes he needs in the squad and in what positions? And he should have no veto over players recommended by the recruitment team?

I appreciate Ange doesn’t seem to dictate specific players the club should go out and get, and instead dictates the profiles he needs, but that is nowhere near having players foisted upon him.

I think people have developed a very strange belief in what happens at clubs like Brighton and Brentford.

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