Tucker
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How I’m feeling right now, I hate international breaks at the best of time, but when Spurs are playing so well its torture.
2023/24 - The Race For..................
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How I’m feeling right now, I hate international breaks at the best of time, but when Spurs are playing so well its torture.
carpediem1906
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As much as we all just want to finish above Arsenal, and that some of us are dreaming of top 4 / winning the league…
Regardless of end position in the table (because it’s very much not within our control how others perform n their outcomes), focusing on ourselves in terms of performance and outcome is a better indicator of progress
Hence, the fight for 86 points imo is key. 86 points is our highest ever points total and we finished 2nd and unbeaten at home.
If we can pip that, 87-90 for eg, that would mean (1) ange gets a statue (2) we will be back in champions league and should mean that (3) we are close / we win the title
86 points = 66 points to go = translate to 2.2 points per game for our remaining 30. We have 16 home matches and 14 away games.
12 W 2 D 2 L at home + 9 W 2 D 3 L = 67 points = final 87 points
sounds doable eh?
ps: if ange can get us unbeaten all season at home then
Regardless of end position in the table (because it’s very much not within our control how others perform n their outcomes), focusing on ourselves in terms of performance and outcome is a better indicator of progress
Hence, the fight for 86 points imo is key. 86 points is our highest ever points total and we finished 2nd and unbeaten at home.
If we can pip that, 87-90 for eg, that would mean (1) ange gets a statue (2) we will be back in champions league and should mean that (3) we are close / we win the title
86 points = 66 points to go = translate to 2.2 points per game for our remaining 30. We have 16 home matches and 14 away games.
12 W 2 D 2 L at home + 9 W 2 D 3 L = 67 points = final 87 points
sounds doable eh?
ps: if ange can get us unbeaten all season at home then
Kirito
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This is silly, you’re worried too much about what other people think. Second place and an FA Cup would be brilliant especially in a transition season.
spurs9
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Yep an Onyeka. Unfortunately, we also play Man Utd without Onana but also Amrabat.
BorjeSpurs
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It seems like most Spurs fans are in relative agreement that whilst we have a really good starting eleven, we might not have a strong enough squad to really compete at the top.
I agree with this too, but I wanted to look closer at some examples in recent seasons where teams have reached unexpected success with very few changes to the starting eleven, in part due to luck and in part because of no European fixtures.
So I looked at Leicester 15/16, Chelsea 16/17 and Newcastle 22/23, for individual games played for their players. For these three teams, it was really only one key player that had a significant injury and that was Isak last season for Newcastle. Luckily for them, their best player squad player in Wilson was fit when Isak was out and vice versa.
Leicester had all their starting eleven playing 30+ games and nine players played 35+ games whilst only 4 players at Spurs reached the 35 game mark and key players such as Vertonghen, Rose and Dembele failed to reach 30 due to injuries.
Chelsea also had all their starting eleven playing 30+ games and nine players played 34+ games whilst only 5 players at Spurs reached the 34 game mark and Toby, Dembele, Rose and Kane was out for a considerable time.
I guess my overall point is that being out of Europe combined with some injury luck can take you quite far. Fingers crossed.
I agree with this too, but I wanted to look closer at some examples in recent seasons where teams have reached unexpected success with very few changes to the starting eleven, in part due to luck and in part because of no European fixtures.
So I looked at Leicester 15/16, Chelsea 16/17 and Newcastle 22/23, for individual games played for their players. For these three teams, it was really only one key player that had a significant injury and that was Isak last season for Newcastle. Luckily for them, their best player squad player in Wilson was fit when Isak was out and vice versa.
Leicester had all their starting eleven playing 30+ games and nine players played 35+ games whilst only 4 players at Spurs reached the 35 game mark and key players such as Vertonghen, Rose and Dembele failed to reach 30 due to injuries.
Chelsea also had all their starting eleven playing 30+ games and nine players played 34+ games whilst only 5 players at Spurs reached the 34 game mark and Toby, Dembele, Rose and Kane was out for a considerable time.
I guess my overall point is that being out of Europe combined with some injury luck can take you quite far. Fingers crossed.
Leicester 15/16
Schmeichel 38
Morgan 38
Albrighton 38
Kante 37
Mahrez 37
Vardy 36
Okazaki 36
Drinkwater 35
Huth 35
Fuchs 32
Simpson 30
Chelsea 16/17
Azpi 38
Courtois 36
Cahill 36
Hazard 35
Kante 34
Pedro 34
Matic 34
Diego Costa 34
Moses 34
Willian 33
Luiz 33
Alonso 30
Newcastle 22/23
Trippier 38
Burn 38
Pope 37
Botman 36
Murphy 36
Schar 36
Willock 35
Almiron 34
Longstaff 33
Joelinton 32
Bruno 32
Wilson 31
Schmeichel 38
Morgan 38
Albrighton 38
Kante 37
Mahrez 37
Vardy 36
Okazaki 36
Drinkwater 35
Huth 35
Fuchs 32
Simpson 30
Chelsea 16/17
Azpi 38
Courtois 36
Cahill 36
Hazard 35
Kante 34
Pedro 34
Matic 34
Diego Costa 34
Moses 34
Willian 33
Luiz 33
Alonso 30
Newcastle 22/23
Trippier 38
Burn 38
Pope 37
Botman 36
Murphy 36
Schar 36
Willock 35
Almiron 34
Longstaff 33
Joelinton 32
Bruno 32
Wilson 31
Pretty sure when Liverpool won the league they barely got any injuries too.
Cavehillspur
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Just realised they way this week's fixtures are, we could be 5pts clear at the top come Friday night.... Lol
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SUIYHA
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Great to see us top of the league - what makes it most interesting is it feels like the most competitive season that I can remember. Take the old "big six" - but you've also got Newcastle and their oil money as well as Brighton and Villa both looking strong. A big nine?
West Ham who won the Conference League, have added to their squad and have been able to take points off Brighton, Newcastle and Chelsea already this season - but they're still only probably the 10th best team in the league.
West Ham who won the Conference League, have added to their squad and have been able to take points off Brighton, Newcastle and Chelsea already this season - but they're still only probably the 10th best team in the league.
fishhhandaricecake
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I’m enjoying match by match and as much as I’d love us to keep up there and be in the title race, I think it’s going to be between City, Liverpool and Arsenal and we will drop off to 4th with Newcastle 5th.
Reason being, even though we don’t have Europe, we have Son & Bissouma at AFCON & Asia games missing 4-5 games in Jan and we don’t have the required quality to fill in for them for that many matches to keep up title winning form, same situation if Romero or VDV or Vicario etc get injured, the drop offs in a lot of positions is too big.
If we had a Leicester style season with injury luck etc and made 2-3 signings in January then maybe but I can’t see it.
But who cares let’s dare to dream anyway and let’s just bloody enjoy week to week the fantastic football E are playing and results we are getting.
City are off the pace a bit which is very usual the season after a treble but Arsenal and Liverpool do look good, just have to hope that once Europe comes around again it really stretches their squads.
Reason being, even though we don’t have Europe, we have Son & Bissouma at AFCON & Asia games missing 4-5 games in Jan and we don’t have the required quality to fill in for them for that many matches to keep up title winning form, same situation if Romero or VDV or Vicario etc get injured, the drop offs in a lot of positions is too big.
If we had a Leicester style season with injury luck etc and made 2-3 signings in January then maybe but I can’t see it.
But who cares let’s dare to dream anyway and let’s just bloody enjoy week to week the fantastic football E are playing and results we are getting.
City are off the pace a bit which is very usual the season after a treble but Arsenal and Liverpool do look good, just have to hope that once Europe comes around again it really stretches their squads.
fishhhandaricecake
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Yep incredibly competitive league which makes the job Ange is doing even more incredible.
If we’d had this start in the 90’s or early 00’s or some of the late 00 seasons we’d be top by a mile and basically nailed on for the title. I remember Fergie won a few titles with Man.U on high 70’s and low 80’s in terms of points, it was only when Jose came to the PL the bar was raised and then Klopp and mostly Pep took it to an insane new level which is now the norm most seasons where you have to get 90-100 pts to win the league.
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Thing is I can see us beating those 2 in the return fixtures
fishhhandaricecake
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Great post, also Arsenal last season had barely any injuries until the last 5-6 games when Holding had to come in and do a stint, but it’s rare that you go through a season like the teams you’ve mentioned with so few injuries although having no Europe certainly helps, Conte’s Chelsea with no Europe also put the same XI out many weeks in a row.
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Others doing well.
We should be itching to make a statement tomorrow night.
Its not just winning, its winning with a swagger that will put the fear in others coming
I get where youre coming from regarding the drop of in positions.
Son, Maddison, Romero and VDV are the important four (Vicario next)
If we avoid any serious injuries to them , i thihk we're in the title conversation.
You can just sense there's something happening.
We should be itching to make a statement tomorrow night.
Its not just winning, its winning with a swagger that will put the fear in others coming
I get where youre coming from regarding the drop of in positions.
Son, Maddison, Romero and VDV are the important four (Vicario next)
If we avoid any serious injuries to them , i thihk we're in the title conversation.
You can just sense there's something happening.
fishhhandaricecake
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Hope so mate and weirdly I can also see a chance of that but I think it’s other games where we’d suffer once a few injuries creep in.
Anyways who knows let’s just enjoy it for now. Ange told us to dream and get carried away so lets
fishhhandaricecake
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Agree mate keep them all fit for majority of the season I think we’ll end up in a title race but that’s a reasonable size IF and Son/Bissouma away for 5 games in Jan will be tough.
