David Brooks

rawhide · Jul 30, 2020

elfyid said:
Also, I strongly disagree that moving two of our most established squad members, despite their flaws, and bringing in two players who may or may not improve us makes us stronger. The absolute best I'd hope for is we are no worse off because of it (and in all honesty I'm not convinced by that)

This is the bit that sums up Spurs in the transfer market, for me.

We are much happier to stick rather than twist. Stay with the status quo, rather than freshen up the squad.

This saw 18 months of no signings, Jan’s decline from his super-Jan peak, Ali’s loss of form, Eriksen’s unrest and the players showing the most desire to play often being Sissoko and Lamela, neither of whom should actually be at the club any more.

We are far too happy to sit and wait for the potential to develop, instead of cutting losses and turning over fringe players (Foyth being another example).

Just look at the effect Bergwijn had in the squad. We need, in my opinion, to move on the players that have stagnated, and replace them with potential, like Brooks or Eze.

Japhet · Jul 30, 2020

elfyid said:
Agreed. I think we are well positioned to take advantage of the situation, and I hope we take full advantage. For me, now is the time to add players like Brooks. We have a good record with these type of transfers - lowish fees for players with high ceilings. I would love to see us buy a few prospects now, just not try to sell our established talent unless we have to.

We know that we have very limited funds and if we're going to take advantage of the current situation we probably have to sell. The alternative is to sit tight and watch quality players get snapped up for low fees. IMO, if we could get enough from selling Dele to properly address a couple of other areas it would be worth considering.

razzmaster · Jul 30, 2020

rawhide said:
This is the bit that sums up Spurs in the transfer market, for me.

We are much happier to stick rather than twist. Stay with the status quo, rather than freshen up the squad.

This saw 18 months of no signings, Jan’s decline from his super-Jan peak, Ali’s loss of form, Eriksen’s unrest and the players showing the most desire to play often being Sissoko and Lamela, neither of whom should actually be at the club any more.

We are far too happy to sit and wait for the potential to develop, instead of cutting losses and turning over fringe players (Foyth being another example).

Just look at the effect Bergwijn had in the squad. We need, in my opinion, to move on the players that have stagnated, and replace them with potential, like Brooks or Eze.

One of the things Fergie did so well was refresh the squad, even when Utd were winning trophies and he sold big players too.

Players like Lamela, Sissoko and Aurier could easily be replaced with younger players without spending a fortune and without weakening our squad.

Yiddo100 · Jul 30, 2020

DannyNZ said:
There’s a deal to be done here somewhere. Bournemouth need to get some cash in quickly and we need a couple of good loan destinations. Skipp, Clarke and or Cirkin off to Bournemouth who play a decent style of football under a decent coach and we pick up Brooks and Wilson.

I highly doubt they’d want Clarke and Cirkin

elfy · Jul 30, 2020

Japhet said:
We know that we have very limited funds and if we're going to take advantage of the current situation we probably have to sell. The alternative is to sit tight and watch quality players get snapped up for low fees. IMO, if we could get enough from selling Dele to properly address a couple of other areas it would be worth considering.

I have always been a bit of a BSODL, and can see the merit in running the club in a sustainable way - however after posting record cash profits and
with access to ridiculously cheap money through the banks, if we cant finance a few of these deals without the need to sell first I will stand up and admit I was wrong and Levy is the problem.

spids · Jul 30, 2020

2019/2020 Statistics	Games	Minutes	Goals	Assists	Mins per Goal Contribution
Son	30	2,485	11	10	118.33
Dele	25	1,851	8	4	154.25
Bergwijn	14	702	3	1	175.50
Moura	35	2,247	4	4	280.88
Lamela	25	1211	2	1	403.67
Brooks	9	511	1	0	511.00
*Brooks* (18/19 stats)	33	2,415	7	5	201.25

As Brooks only returned for the last 9 games after missing most of the season I also included last seasons stats for him as a comparison.

My thoughts on the above statistics:

Brooks would be a significant upgrade on Lamela.
Brooks would provide signifiant competition to Moura for a starting spot.
Moura needs to significantly improve his goal contributions to complement his team worth ethic to justify his place in the starting XI.
We need to get Dele back firing as he is undoubtedly one of our most important players (these stats are from a season where Dele is widely thought to have massively underperformed!).
Bergwijn can only get better as he adapts to the Premier League and a new country / new team mates.

Archibald&Crooks · Jul 30, 2020

elfyid said:
I have always been a bit of a BSODL, and can see the merit in running the club in a sustainable way - however after posting record cash profits and
with access to ridiculously cheap money through the banks, if we cant finance a few of these deals without the need to sell first I will stand up and admit I was wrong and Levy is the problem.

You might as well stand up now because you were and he is

Welcome to the dark side brother elf.

spursfan77 · Jul 30, 2020

TEESSIDE1 said:
1 horrendous injury that didn’t heal properly after surgery, required a 2nd surgical procedure and kept him out for nearly a year.

It’s not like he’s twisted his ankle or had a minor strain, he’s had a serious injury and suffered further problems with it, significantly delaying his recovery.

But he seems alright now.

H-SF · Jul 30, 2020

Doubt this will happen tbh. The Standard article just said we ‘admire’ Brooks which is evident however I don’t see creative mid/winger really being a priority for us this summer. Think he will end up going to a mid table team or a Leicester where he can start every game and then probably a summer or two later will be involved in a big transfer to a top 6 team. Hope we do try and complete a deal though as he’s a top player.

spursfan77 · Jul 30, 2020

SlumDilla said:
Seems like Bournemouth owe a fair bit in transfer fees.

All clubs owe transfer fees and are also obviously owed some back themselves. We owe (according to swissramble) £68m in fees.

But yeah, Bournemouth are pretty fucked.

brendanb50 · Jul 30, 2020

spursfan77 said:
All clubs owe transfer fees and are also obviously owed some back themselves. We owe (according to swissramble) £68m in fees.

But yeah, Bournemouth are pretty fucked.

Interesting post.

I think it's fairly common for clubs to owe money on transfers like this. It's usually down to fees being spread over each season, so the budget for each FY shouldn't be adversely hit for a lot of teams.

In Bournemouth's case, it's surely all about those parachute payments. They presumably won't cover what they'll lose in tv rights and maybe advertising but they will cover some of the impact. I doubt it will be a full scale fire sale for any of those clubs but of course there will be players with ambitions who won't want to be in the championship and will force their hand.

Matthew · Jul 30, 2020

maybe no the place, but city are on the verge of signing torres from valencia for a sniff over £20m, there are bargain players there - just not if we want to go english/epl proven.

Japhet · Jul 30, 2020

brendanb50 said:
Interesting post.

I think it's fairly common for clubs to owe money on transfers like this. It's usually down to fees being spread over each season, so the budget for each FY shouldn't be adversely hit for a lot of teams.

In Bournemouth's case, it's surely all about those parachute payments. They presumably won't cover what they'll lose in tv rights and maybe advertising but they will cover some of the impact. I doubt it will be a full scale fire sale for any of those clubs but of course there will be players with ambitions who won't want to be in the championship and will force their hand.

I don't think their parachute payments will cover anywhere near enough of their debt and outgoings. They're way short. They'll have to sell unless they do a Villa and bag a Sugar Daddy in the coming weeks.

brendanb50 · Jul 30, 2020

Japhet said:
I don't think their parachute payments will cover anywhere near enough of their debt and outgoings. They're way short. They'll have to sell unless they do a Villa and bag a Sugar Daddy in the coming weeks.

I think ultimately you're right. Especially when you combine that with their general size/commercial profile.

double0 · Jul 30, 2020

H-SF said:
Doubt this will happen tbh. The Standard article just said we ‘admire’ Brooks which is evident however I don’t see creative mid/winger really being a priority for us this summer. Think he will end up going to a mid table team or a Leicester where he can start every game and then probably a summer or two later will be involved in a big transfer to a top 6 team. Hope we do try and complete a deal though as he’s a top player.

And that my friend will be a mistake. We need more attacking options more goal assistant players in our squad and Brooks numbers before his injuries were impressive plus his left footed so would add much needed balance to the squad. Imo he could take over from Lamela

JUSTINSIGNAL · Jul 30, 2020

I would love to sign Brooks but not getting my hopes up as Mourinho has already said he doesn’t feel we need any attacking players.

Neon_Knight_ · Jul 30, 2020

razzmaster said:
One of the things Fergie did so well was refresh the squad, even when Utd were winning trophies and he sold big players too.

Players like Lamela, Sissoko and Aurier could easily be replaced with younger players without spending a fortune and without weakening our squad.

For much of Ferguson's reign, Utd were the biggest club in the worls and were spending huge transfer fees (relatively) to keep their squad fresh. We don't have the same pulling or spending power, so can't keep our squad fresh as "easily".

Lamela, Sissoko and Aurier could easily be replaced with younger players without spending a fortune, but not easily without weakening the squad.
All three contribute to our first team, so they would need to be replaced with players who can contribute the same (or more), not just players with potential. That's possible without spending a fortune, but if it was "easily" done we wouldn't have spent £80m (would be even more in today's market) on those three players in the first place. If we were highly confident a player fits this criteria, the likelihood is that other clubs would be too, so their transfer fee would be high.

Alli and Dier are the most recent cheap young signings that have been successful. I'd love for us to pull off some similar signings this window, and maybe we will, but to say we can do it "easily" underestimates how difficult it is to navigate the current overinflated transfer market.

Of our recent signings (Bergwijn, Gedson, Ndombele, Lo Celso, Sessegnon & Clarke), only 2/6 made a decent contribution this season - the rest contributed far less than the three players you want replaced. We did spend a fortune on these players (although couldy opt not to on Gedson).

sausage · Jul 30, 2020

spursfan77 said:
All clubs owe transfer fees and are also obviously owed some back themselves. We owe (according to swissramble) £68m in fees.

But yeah, Bournemouth are pretty fucked.

Wow - look at Utd's debt!

BringBack_leGin · Jul 30, 2020

HodisGawd said:
And, this is the clincher, we can sing David Watts by The Jam to his name.

It’s a Kinks song. The Jam’s version was an inferior cover (much as I love The Jam).

razzmaster · Jul 30, 2020

Neon_Knight_ said:
For much of Ferguson's reign, Utd were the biggest club in the worls and were spending huge transfer fees (relatively) to keep their squad fresh. We don't have the same pulling or spending power, so can't keep our squad fresh as "easily".

Lamela, Sissoko and Aurier could easily be replaced with younger players without spending a fortune, but not easily without weakening the squad.
All three contribute to our first team, so they would need to be replaced with players who can contribute the same (or more), not just players with potential. That's possible without spending a fortune, but if it was "easily" done we wouldn't have spent £80m (would be even more in today's market) on those three players in the first place. If we were highly confident a player fits this criteria, the likelihood is that other clubs would be too, so their transfer fee would be high.

Alli and Dier are the most recent cheap young signings that have been successful. I'd love for us to pull off some similar signings this window, and maybe we will, but to say we can do it "easily" underestimates how difficult it is to navigate the current overinflated transfer market.

Of our recent signings (Bergwign, Gedson, Ndombele, Lo Celso, Sessegnon & Clarke), only 2/6 made a decent contribution this season - the rest contributed far less than the three players you want replaced. We did spend a fortune on these players (although couldy opt not to on Gedson).

I guess it depends how much you rate the contribution of Aurier, Sissoko and Lamela.

Personally, I think all 3 are flawed and could easily be replaced as squad players but that's just my opinion.

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