Spurs Amazon Documentary?

spursfan77 said:

I watched the first 10/15 minutes of episode 7 and turned it off. I don't know if I have the appetite to watch the rest of it.

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I genuinely wouldn't bother - it doesn't get any better until towards the end of episode 9. I forgot how many games we lost leading up to the lock down.

mill said:

Shame there wasn’t a bit where levy brought a guitar in and stated singing free love on the free love highway

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“Go get the guitar”

Kinda jokingly, reading through the feedback some of you are having on this I do have to wonder, how many documentaries have you guys watched in the past?

Like, yeah... it's edited. That's what all documentaries are. They tell a story. Even the ones that you feel are 'so real' or whatever... still edited to tell a story. I mean logistically as well, this is what, 9+ months worth of footage condensed down into a little under 9 hours of television where they're only showing the 'good/interesting parts'? No shit it's edited.

I also think the whole staged/PR spin thing is an interesting take. Other than maybe Danny Rose, who was going into this expecting anyone to go on a full on Tottenham bashing? Even with the Ndombele part, was anyone expecting him to go 'I fucking hate it here, this club is awful, fuck Mourinho'

As a documentary, it's pretty good I think. As others have said it humanises the players quite a bit and does show more of the behind the scenes of the club and is a nice starter insight into the club/how a football club is run.

As a Tottenham fan watching it, it reminds you how turgid last season was and gives you so many moments when you wonder 'what could have been?' especially with all the injuries and everything. I legit feel that if it was almost any other season we'd have all enjoyed it more. Cause of course we would have wanted to relive it all again. How many of us really wanted to relive us losing to Norwich in the FA Cup?

As a PR stunt or whatever for the club, it works well enough. We come out of it looking alright. Levy doesn't cover himself in glory but I kinda defy you to find any chairman who's not a bit weird. Mourinho is charismatic as hell so his stock comes out completely fine, if not better. Players seem fine and the club generally might get a few more people liking us. Doesn't really make anyone hate us or anything.

Amazon lucked out with which season they picked for us. Cause they got to do a whole manager sacking, team is up and down form and then the fun of a pandemic and lockdown so they've come out of this well.

The Last Dance is still gonna be the sports documentary of the year for me but All Or Nothing is entertaining enough.

Albertbarich said:

The issue is though that we have all seen the games and now retrospectively seen the team talks and briefings- well part of them. They barely did anything he asked. I understand the desire for fight and passion but it has to go with play and tactics. At one point he was screaming at the team because it was goaless at half time and saying about clean sheets and I remember thinking we were absolutely awful in that game and the camera was on dele and his face said it all. You have a group who are used to being on the front foot and his asking them to defend defend defend and they aren't enjoying it, which you may not think is an issue or at least shouldn't be but he clearly is struggling to get the best out of them.

Is levy at fault? Yes! But we have the squad we do and the very very highly paid manager has to get the best out of them.

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Nice reply! My only counter argument is playing on the front foot wasn't particularly effective for the later years of the Poch era. We were at our absolute best when pressing high up the pitch and the players worked very hard as a team. This enabled our front 3 to get on the ball in very dangerous positions with space because the opponents didn't have time to react and find shape.

If the players aren't going to give that level of press we have to adapt and defend better.

Dean said:

If the documentary, irrespective as to how condensed and edited it is, is anything to go by, you can't question the fact that Mourinho pushes the players. He can't help the fact that they play sloppy passes and he's pushing them to press and be aggressive. It just seems to go in one ear and out of the other. Can't understand where their lack of passion has come from.

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Even more baffling is that individually they appear determined and passionate about the team, but put them together and it disappears. As Kane said in an earlier episode, everyone is leaving it to someone else. How long will it be before the players who do press, give up because no one else does?
Also, with so many different nationalities, I wonder if just sometimes, not all of them understand his instructions. Unlikely, but possible. Maybe he also speaks to them individually in their own language. Apparently Arteta, during their game against Fulham, was shouting out instructions in four different languages.

After Sundays performance, im a bit worried that the players havent taken well to being called out publically for their shortcomings. And i dont think i can listen to another mind-numbing team talk from JM about not making mistakes.

Thought the only time Levy was genuine throughout the whole 9 episodes was when talking about the pandemic. He suddenly started being normal when talking about how paramount it was to finish the season (money).

The conversations between DL and Jose are fucking hilarious - the guy turns up to every home game and sits there for 90 minutes... for what? He doesn't know the first thing about football. It's crazy.

Some of the footage of the actual football, especially in the last episode played out like Escape to Victory. Footage of some of Kane's goals just highlights how amazing he is. I'm not sure people that aren't tottenham fans will get much out of watching it, though.

mill said:

It’s good to know José wants to upgrade 3-4 positions but the super duper scout is only looking to bring in 2 or 3 players

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Well Bale can play LB, AM and CF, so there's that.

Shadydan said:

Just found it funny that he had to make a such a massive point of it, it was so forced.

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100% this. He conveniently omitted to mention that we did fuck all business for two transfer windows leading up to then though didn’t he. For those who thought the documentary wouldn’t be sanitised, I give you exhibit A.

spursgirls said:

Even more baffling is that individually they appear determined and passionate about the team, but put them together and it disappears. As Kane said in an earlier episode, everyone is leaving it to someone else. How long will it be before the players who do press, give up because no one else does?
Also, with so many different nationalities, I wonder if just sometimes, not all of them understand his instructions. Unlikely, but possible. Maybe he also speaks to them individually in their own language. Apparently Arteta, during their game against Fulham, was shouting out instructions in four different languages.

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Oi you useless **** is multi-lingual

My main three takeaways

Levy and Hitchens could easily star in a storage hunters football equivalent.

How the fuck does somebody as high up the club as Donna need it explained to her why playing behind closed doors would not be good for the team both in a on the pitch sense and a financial sense? How does that need to be explained.

I can't believe I watched the last dance this year and saw how those final 15 minutes of the show ended and ours was the fucking skywalk and a bbq

guiltyparty said:

I guess because they came within 90 mins of being champions league winners having not so long ago finished 2nd in the league. I think if I was being asked to bust my arse at work and play what is archaic football compared to what we were to get nowhere near that, maybe 4th at the very, very best and win a two-bob cup, I’d probably be considering my options too. It’s hard to get motivated for lesser prizes when you’ve been gunning for the big ones for so long. Not excusing it but as a human, that’s just very relatable to me.

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Gb160 said:

Brilliant, Winksy single-handedly smashing down the 'footballers are thick' stereotypes right there!

I think overall a lot of people were just expecting too much from this.
It was never going to be deep, forensic, tactical analysis, it was never going to be a hit piece on Levy...no matter how much people were desperate for it to be.

It was always going to be a bit fluffy, so just take it for what it is, a PR piece which showed the club in a positive light and earned the club a few quid.

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In fairness to Winks, you can spell Rachel, Rachael also?

I thought Dele was the worst. "I made baked beans for the first time". Err, You mean, you opened a can?

Don't say things like that on an internationally distributed documentary!

Donut.

Another thing that got me is how poorly edited the whole thing felt, I mean those half time team talks and the 2nd half performances they cut in there make no sense to me.

Reminded me of this:

daryl hannah said:

The conversations between DL and Jose are fucking hilarious - the guy turns up to every home game and sits there for 90 minutes... for what? He doesn't know the first thing about football. It's crazy.

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I love this narrative.

Like others have said the main thing I've taken from it has been remembering that these guys are all human, with faults and mannerisms and hopes and fears. Too often we forget that.

Gb160 said:

I love this narrative.

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I personally want my chairman telling the manager how to do his job.

It's good to know that SC has its fair share of BAFTA award winning directors as well as body language experts and football tactic gurus.

I thought it was interesting to see Mourinho's comments on Lo Celso. I'm sure we had ITK that Mourinho loved him from day 1 but Mourinho said he didn't rate him but he changed his mind. This shows Ndombele what he needs to do and its also makes people who say Mourinho doesn't change his mind on players look foolish.

Gbspurs said:

I thought it was interesting to see Mourinho's comments on Lo Celso. I'm sure we had ITK that Mourinho loved him from day 1 but Mourinho said he didn't rate him but he changed his mind. This shows Ndombele what he needs to do and its also makes people who say Mourinho doesn't change his mind on players look foolish.

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Nah, Jose came out in the press and said that Lo Celso changed his mind, I remembered that much. Also I literally shared these exact sentiments in the Tanguy thread

wrd said:

I personally want my chairman telling the manager how to his job.

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He must run a lot