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ajspurs

ajspurs

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The only annoying thing is the games he misses. Fulham at home, a cup game, City away (loss either way), Everton at home and maybe Sheffield United at home.

No easy games and all that, but certainly not the worst set of matches to miss.

Regardless, I'm more concerned about us anyway to be fair.
 
Dazzazzad

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Whazam said:
And then he went right back to fake limping again when they lost the ball. Detestable.
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I really think something like that should be a fine. It's cheating, fraud, bad sportsmanship, whatever you want to call it - it sucks. I wouldn't want the game affected by that nonsense or the ref to get involved.

Just a message after the game that the player was deemed to be acting against the spirit of the game and has been fined a week's wages.

Players will eventually get the message.

Sure, it won't stop more subtle instances but let's start with the blatant cheating first.
 
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Styopa

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allatsea said:
How many home defeats is that for United ?
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5 defeats at home I think. And counting…they still have Liverpool and Arsenal to play at home too.

Under Ferguson, they lost on average only 1.6 home matches a season across 21 seasons. How times have changed!
 
E17yid

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Dazzazzad said:
I really think something like that should be a fine. It's cheating, fraud, bad sportsmanship, whatever you want to call it - it sucks. I wouldn't want the game affected by that nonsense or the ref to get involved.

Just a message after the game that the player was deemed to be acting against the spirit of the game and has been fined a week's wages.

Players will eventually get the message.

Sure, it won't stop more subtle instances but let's start with the blatant cheating first.
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I’d rather they just an email calling them a **** and they’re banned for 3 games.
 
Bluto Blutarsky

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Dazzazzad said:
I really think something like that should be a fine. It's cheating, fraud, bad sportsmanship, whatever you want to call it - it sucks. I wouldn't want the game affected by that nonsense or the ref to get involved.

Just a message after the game that the player was deemed to be acting against the spirit of the game and has been fined a week's wages.

Players will eventually get the message.

Sure, it won't stop more subtle instances but let's start with the blatant cheating first.
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PL instituted a rule a few years ago about retroactive punishments for acts of diving - but they seem to have stopped using that.

There are countless examples of players who are trying to deceive officials into making a call - whether for a foul or for a card - and they go unpunished.

If the Ref sees it - but does not fall for it - the dive/simulation should still be booked. If the Ref does not see it - then the retroactive review should be involved.

This is part of the inconsistency in enforcing rules already on the books. If these things were enforced, players would adjust their behavior.
 
Tucker

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Bluto Blutarsky said:
PL instituted a rule a few years ago about retroactive punishments for acts of diving - but they seem to have stopped using that.

There are countless examples of players who are trying to deceive officials into making a call - whether for a foul or for a card - and they go unpunished.

If the Ref sees it - but does not fall for it - the dive/simulation should still be booked. If the Ref does not see it - then the retroactive review should be involved.

This is part of the inconsistency in enforcing rules already on the books. If these things were enforced, players would adjust their behavior.
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It’s why things like the blue card simply won’t work. The referees already have the tools available to punish players for dissent. A blue card isn’t going to make them use those tools on a consistent basis.
 
rossdapep

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Bluto Blutarsky said:
PL instituted a rule a few years ago about retroactive punishments for acts of diving - but they seem to have stopped using that.

There are countless examples of players who are trying to deceive officials into making a call - whether for a foul or for a card - and they go unpunished.

If the Ref sees it - but does not fall for it - the dive/simulation should still be booked. If the Ref does not see it - then the retroactive review should be involved.

This is part of the inconsistency in enforcing rules already on the books. If these things were enforced, players would adjust their behavior.
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It still baffles me how a player is allowed to fling his arms in the air and then flop hard onto the floor when an opposing player just sticks leg gently out and the ref does NOTHING!

Exaggeration like that tells you it is a dive. Clamp down on it
 
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djhotspur

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Styopa said:
5 defeats at home I think. And counting…they still have Liverpool and Arsenal to play at home too.

Under Ferguson, they lost on average only 1.6 home matches a season across 21 seasons. How times have changed!
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But that guy told me he only had them losing 1 game all season
 
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Styopa

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djhotspur said:
But that guy told me he only had them losing 1 game all season
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Yeah, but to be fair to them, when they made that prediction Man U were on a huge 5 game unbeaten run in the league.

Funnily enough, we were also on a 5 game unbeaten run in the league before losing to Wolves.
 
ItsBoris

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I was watching some of his press conference where he responds to Carragher's criticism - my god the guy is such a stiff. Zero charisma or people skills

I feel bad to shit on boring people but honestly when do they make good football managers? The best managers all have some it-factor, some compelling personality.
 
Tucker

Tucker

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ItsBoris said:
I was watching some of his press conference where he responds to Carragher's criticism - my god the guy is such a stiff. Zero charisma or people skills

I feel bad to shit on boring people but honestly when do they make good football managers? The best managers all have some it-factor, some compelling personality.
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Unless you’re in a technocratic role of some kind it’s an essential part of leadership, being able to talk to people and get them to do what you want them to do effectively. It’s even more important in a motivational role like a football manager.

Like you say all the best managers are able to hook people into their vision, the really good ones are able to get the press eating out of the palm of their hands too.

He doesn’t seem to have that in him at all.
 
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TheHodFather

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ItsBoris said:
I was watching some of his press conference where he responds to Carragher's criticism - my god the guy is such a stiff. Zero charisma or people skills

I feel bad to shit on boring people but honestly when do they make good football managers? The best managers all have some it-factor, some compelling personality.
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I remember when the stories came during the infamous summer of Nuno that we'd spoken to him and that "he didn't interview well", and thinking that was a bit weird. But looking at his press conferences now I completely get it. Our people must have come out of that interview literally shaking their heads and thinking what the fuck?

Like you say all managers (and not just football) need to have something compelling about them that makes people want to listen to them. Wenger is probably the most "grey man in a grey suit" manager I can recall being successful, but even he still had some genuine presence about him.
 
UncleBuck

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TheHodFather said:
I remember when the stories came during the infamous summer of Nuno that we'd spoken to him and that "he didn't interview well", and thinking that was a bit weird. But looking at his press conferences now I completely get it. Our people must have come out of that interview literally shaking their heads and thinking what the fuck?

Like you say all managers (and not just football) need to have something compelling about them that makes people want to listen to them. Wenger is probably the most "grey man in a grey suit" manager I can recall being successful, but even he still had some genuine presence about him.
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He certainly had everyone’s attention when he was trying to zip up his jacket…
 
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philll

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These words might carry a bit more weight if he didn't present himself as such a stroppy child on the pitch...

 
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