Aston Villa Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

[Blake Griffin]

my favourite part was where we were needing to win so we take off van der vaart and bring on parker.

 

[hybridsoldier]

Still a good result?

I am so fucking glad you brought this thread back Mullers, all the bollocks about it being a good point etc., in the end THIS RESULT cost us CL football and half of us in here knew it.

It wasn't just the result, it was the attitude. Did you see the players faces?? They were hungry they were on the attack, they wanted this, they smelled blood. Then Harry brings Parker on for VDV. I saw their faces quite literally drop - the urgency in the play totally went and we settled for a draw when we should have gone all our for a win.

Lets go back to all the match threads where we dropped points. Banging idea.

No this is not what is happening here, its not just about the dropped points. It's about the manager not bringing on Defoe (Most ever goals in one season from a sub in the PL) when it went 1-1 or even with 5 mins to go.

There is some on here who have said 4th was ok but disappointing because we SHOULD have been 3rd. We don't deserve anything, you get what you earn and the table doesn't lie. We were 4th because our form from Feb onward was diabolical...everybody had blips but nobody had a run like that.

I'd like to see the club go and try to win the Europa League, but I don't think it will happen

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

it's as if Harry had a choice to take three points or one and choose one. We absoloutely dominated with ten men what more could we have done away from home. It wasn't as though he got everyone behind the ball and started playing for time, hitting the corners. He could of brought Defoe on, but when he does people always moan that it's not an attacking move anyway and it's like playing with 10 men, 9 on this occasion and we lose out on more of the ball meaning you can't get it into the dangerous areas. So what is it?

 

[Mullers]

I am so fucking glad you brought this thread back Mullers, all the bollocks about it being a good point etc., in the end THIS RESULT cost us CL football and half of us in here knew it.

It wasn't just the result, it was the attitude. Did you see the players faces?? They were hungry they were on the attack, they wanted this, they smelled blood. Then Harry brings Parker on for VDV. I saw their faces quite literally drop - the urgency in the play totally went and we settled for a draw when we should have gone all our for a win.

Yep two wins in the final two games and we would have been laughing at the scum this morning, now it's the other way around.

 

[hybridsoldier]

Yep two wins in the final two games and we would have been laughing at the scum this morning, now it's the other way around.

Bet you can't wait for all these optimists to come along and start telling us to stop thinking about the past, stop crying, and look to the future?!? Give me a fucking break lol

Yeah doing that to Arsenal would have been brilliant but for me I look at Spurs and this squad should have finished third, to miss out by 1 point and 1 goal is more an indictment of how shit a season Arsenal had. We had 5 wins in 15 games from Feb - May, thats 15 points from 45. Arsenal did not have a stunning season by any stretch of the imagination and this was a great chance to take 3rd.

I can't understand how people can be happy with the Villa game, we can always point to other games (Stoke away refereeing debacle), but you can't win every single game....I just feel like playing a relegation side with 2 games to go and your destiny in your own hands you should TRY to win every game.

 

[ethanedwards]

I am so fucking glad you brought this thread back Mullers, all the bollocks about it being a good point etc., in the end THIS RESULT cost us CL football and half of us in here knew it.

It wasn't just the result, it was the attitude. Did you see the players faces?? They were hungry they were on the attack, they wanted this, they smelled blood. Then Harry brings Parker on for VDV. I saw their faces quite literally drop - the urgency in the play totally went and we settled for a draw when we should have gone all our for a win.



No this is not what is happening here, its not just about the dropped points. It's about the manager not bringing on Defoe (Most ever goals in one season from a sub in the PL) when it went 1-1 or even with 5 mins to go.

There is some on here who have said 4th was ok but disappointing because we SHOULD have been 3rd. We don't deserve anything, you get what you earn and the table doesn't lie. We were 4th because our form from Feb onward was diabolical...everybody had blips but nobody had a run like that.

I'd like to see the club go and try to win the Europa League, but I don't think it will happen

Totally agree, we were given a great opportunity with the Villa game, and folded our hand.

 

[Paolo10]

it's as if Harry had a choice to take three points or one and choose one. We absoloutely dominated with ten men what more could we have done away from home. It wasn't as though he got everyone behind the ball and started playing for time, hitting the corners. He could of brought Defoe on, but when he does people always moan that it's not an attacking move anyway and it's like playing with 10 men, 9 on this occasion and we lose out on more of the ball meaning you can't get it into the dangerous areas. So what is it?

It's worse now because a team luckily won on penalties in a game they should have been out of sight in.

I do hope the Bayern forums are full of wankers screaming sack the manager etc. Kroos is so shit etc.

The fact that most of the same people behave the same way in threads about matches Spurs aren't involved in speaks volumes.

We deserved CL, we probably would have achieved it if one chance had went our way,one deflection, one moment of lapse in concentration from a defender hadn't happened, one tackle hadn't been missed, one decision had went for us at tr right time. We were fucking unlucky, even more so now with the way things worked out.

So yeah, bump the threads trying to undermine the manager, ignore the lack of bottle in the transfer market from the great Levy, who most of you metaphorically line up to suck his plums as he's so fucking great.

Top 4 was a target obviously, we achieved that. Things didn't work out. Sometimes you don't get what you deserve in football.

The all knowing, wonder chairman that is Levy's calculated gamble failed, let's hope he's fucking learned something finally. One moment could have changed it all, it didn't. Fucking get over it.

 

[hybridsoldier]

let's hope he's fucking learned something finally.

This is what worries me, I really hope Levy and more importantly Harry has

 

[Mullers]

Bet you can't wait for all these optimists to come along and start telling us to stop thinking about the past, stop crying, and look to the future?!? Give me a fucking break lol

+1

Yeah doing that to Arsenal would have been brilliant but for me I look at Spurs and this squad should have finished third, to miss out by 1 point and 1 goal is more an indictment of how shit a season Arsenal had. We had 5 wins in 15 games from Feb - May, thats 15 points from 45. Arsenal did not have a stunning season by any stretch of the imagination and this was a great chance to take 3rd.

I can't understand how people can be happy with the Villa game, we can always point to other games (Stoke away refereeing debacle), but you can't win every single game....I just feel like playing a relegation side with 2 games to go and your destiny in your own hands you should TRY to win every game.

And that's just it, the first half of this game was lacklustre from us, it was a cup final. I wish I could have taken some of the hunger and desire from the side who beat Chelsea in the Carling cup final and given it to to the players.

 

[Mullers]

It's worse now because a team luckily won on penalties in a game they should have been out of sight in.

I do hope the Bayern forums are full of wankers screaming sack the manager etc. Kroos is so shit etc.

The fact that most of the same people behave the same way in threads about matches Spurs aren't involved in speaks volumes.

We deserved CL, we probably would have achieved it if one chance had went our way,one deflection, one moment of lapse in concentration from a defender hadn't happened, one tackle hadn't been missed, one decision had went for us at tr right time. We were fucking unlucky, even more so now with the way things worked out.

So yeah, bump the threads trying to undermine the manager, ignore the lack of bottle in the transfer market from the great Levy, who most of you metaphorically line up to suck his plums as he's so fucking great.

Top 4 was a target obviously, we achieved that. Things didn't work out. Sometimes you don't get what you deserve in football.

The all knowing, wonder chairman that is Levy's calculated gamble failed, let's hope he's fucking learned something finally. One moment could have changed it all, it didn't. Fucking get over it.

So blame Levy but not Redknapp?

 

[besty55]

Let's hope they have both learned as the collapse has happened two seasons running! And the fact that we were actually in the CL and still seemingly refused to invest when we may have been able to grab some more quality. That last day of the 2011 January window suitcase of cash around spain debacle still rankles to be honest.

 

[RuskyM]

my favourite part was where we were needing to win so we take off van der vaart and bring on parker.

That is still the most retarded thing I've ever seen.

And I've seen a clown ride a horse backwards.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Lets go back to all the match threads where we dropped points. Banging idea.

 

[Paolo10]

Blame is shared, players, chairman, manager. You can't put it down to one fucking thing. Blame Mario Gomez, blame Uefa, blame Liverpool.

Personally I think it's more on Levy than Redknapp especially after the January window. We had one target man, we got Saha in. You think he was top of the list? Because I fucking don't. Nelsen? No. Look at how Cahill played last night, we wanted him, Phil Jones.

I think the manager did particularly well to achieve Top 4 with what we had and still think we were unfortunate not to get Top 3. There are numerous posts about it from the start of the season, how important those two windows were. How this season was crucial. I feel Levy fucked it. We created more than most teams and didn't get the breaks, lacking a cutting edge at times with a loaned main striker outcast by the eventual champions as our main focal point.

Premiership Superscrimpers at the wrong time, the CHAIRMAN failed to capitalise on our position the first time we were in CL, we didn't upgrade, couldn't shift our deadwood, next season did we learn? NO. Evidently not.

It's about time the fucking penny dropped with Daniel IMO, now could be too late though. Big gamble to fuck up and he did.

 

[punky]

I do hope the Bayern forums are full of wankers screaming sack the manager etc. Kroos is so shit etc.

If Harry got us 2nd and Champions League runners-up, i'd willingly receive anal from him. Fortunately even if the multiverse scientific hypothesis exists and there are infinite alternate dimensions then not one would that even occur.

So yeah, bump the threads trying to undermine the manager, ignore the lack of bottle in the transfer market from the great Levy, who most of you metaphorically line up to suck his plums as he's so fucking great.

Top 4 was a target obviously, we achieved that. Things didn't work out. Sometimes you don't get what you deserve in football.

The all knowing, wonder chairman that is Levy's calculated gamble failed, let's hope he's fucking learned something finally. One moment could have changed it all, it didn't. Fucking get over it.

Yes because Harry has a proven track record of buying young, expensive, world-class players and it's actually Levy forcing Harry to go for the likes of Pienaar et al?

You keep spouting this like it's gospel but it doesn't make it any more true.

 

[Paolo10]

If Harry got us 2nd and Champions League runners-up, i'd willingly receive anal from him. Fortunately even if the multiverse scientific hypothesis exists and there are infinite alternate dimensions then not one would that even occur.



Yes because Harry has a proven track record of buying young, expensive, world-class players and it's actually Levy forcing Harry to go for the likes of Pienaar et al?

You keep spouting this like it's gospel but it doesn't make it any more true.

Bayern dominated that game, you check any match thread where we couldn't finish teams off. Check the thread from last night to see some of our fans' reactions.

Is this a Harry only likes old players thing is it? Our squad lacked experience, he remedied that. Look at the Parker signing. Newsflash, younger players that would improve our team are more expensive, higher wages. Why do you think Pienaar was signed? Because he was value for money, running out of contract, knew the league and is a good player. Crazy signing that anyway, eh?

You look at our transfer dealings even before Harry was here and it was the same shit, buy low sell high. We need to alter this if we're going to improve.

Would you have taken top 4 at the start of the season? Yes, I daresay you would. Even respected itk alluded to this gamble by Levy, others have made noises about DL's 'negotiating'.

The first two games were a write off as we couldn't tie things up. That's 6 points right there.

Just one player with a killer touch and it's arguable that we would have been out of sight, fuck knows we had enough of games we didn't get what we deserved out of.

This must be the unluckiest season ever, I'm glad it's over now. And next year it should be the same, fuck the Cups and concentrate on the league. Hopefully we'll finally see some fucking real investment.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Bayern dominated that game, you check any match thread where we couldn't finish teams off. Check the thread from last night to see some of our fans' reactions.

Is this a Harry only likes old players thing is it? Our squad lacked experience, he remedied that. Look at the Parker signing. Newsflash, younger players that would improve our team are more expensive, higher wages. Why do you think Pienaar was signed? Because he was value for money, running out of contract, knew the league and is a good player. Crazy signing that anyway, eh?

You look at our transfer dealings even before Harry was here and it was the same shit, buy low sell high. We need to alter this if we're going to improve.

Would you have taken top 4 at the start of the season? Yes, I daresay you would. Even respected itk alluded to this gamble by Levy, others have made noises about DL's 'negotiating'.

The first two games were a write off as we couldn't tie things up. That's 6 points right there.

Just one player with a killer touch and it's arguable that we would have been out of sight, fuck knows we had enough of games we didn't get what we deserved out of.

This must be the unluckiest season ever, I'm glad it's over now. And next year it should be the same, fuck the Cups and concentrate on the league. Hopefully we'll finally see some fucking real investment.

Was the 32m Redknapp spent on Keane and Defoe in one window buying low ?

How's this for negotiating "I fought Suarez was too much like VDV" or "I could have had Ben Arfa but I've already got Lennon"

 

[punky]

Bayern dominated that game, you check any match thread were we couldn't finish teams off. Check the thread from last night to see some of our fans' reactions.

I'm sorry but we are the masters of our own destiny. Our failure to get CL is down to us, not Bayern or Chelsea.

Is this a Harry only likes old players thing is it?

No, it's a Harry-is-too-scared-to-buy-anyone-expensive thing. And by expensive, I mean like £8m+. There are numerous quotes from his own mouth that will confirm it. If you want some pointers where to look, try Dzeko, Aguero, Suarez....

Harry has only gone into double-figure purchases 3 times whilst with us. Keane and Defoe hardly needs explaination, the other was Palacios at £12m and was widely touted.

Prior to that, Levy went into double figures numerous times... Bent, Modric, Bentley... He will back his management staff with money if they want it.

Our squad lacked experience, he remedied that.

After he arrived e bought back almost everyone that left in the last couple of seasons.

Why do you think Pienaar was signed? Because he was value for money, running out of contract, knew the league and is a good player. Crazy signing that anyway, eh?

Considering he has had zero impact, went back on loan to Everton and will now leave the club, yes, I'm glad we agree it was a crazy signing.

You look at our transfer dealings even before Harry was here and it was the same shit, buy low sell high. We need to alter this if we're going to improve.

See above.

Just one player with a killer touch and it's arguable that we would have been out of sight, fuck knows we had enough of games we didn't get what we deserved out of.

This must be the unluckiest season ever, I'm glad it's over now. And next year it should be the same

Again, see above.

fuck the Cups and concentrate on the league. Hopefully we'll fInally see some fungi real investment.

 

[Paolo10]

Was the 32m Redknapp spent on Keane and Defoe in one window buying low ?

How's this for negotiating "I fought Suarez was too much like VDV" or "I could have had Ben Arfa but I've already got Lennon"

Oh fuck off you boring fucking ****.

 

[hybridsoldier]

I think Levy has to shoulder some blame along with Harry.

If you look at our squad its massive, and there is some quality there in depth. But our transfer strategy has been questionable.

We have amassed a squad all of pretty good wages which is why half of them are on loan - we can't sell them the wages are too high.

Levy has been dealing a lot with transfers but thats not his expertise and IMO it's shown. Harry has to his credit identified the right players: Phil Jones, Ashley Young, Sergio Aguero etc. The problem is we have been far far too slow, why? Because Harry is just a manager, and Levy is just a chairman. There is no one who actively is going around speaking to clubs and players and has a scouting network.

Comolli did f'up at the end but remember he did help us get Kaboul, Berbatov, Bale, Bent, Modric, Gomes, Ekotto, all ahead of major major competition.

Even Pleat managed to nab us Robinson, Lennon, Dawson, Huddlestone, Defoe, and apparently was involved in the Naughton/Walker deal.

Ok not all "diamonds in the rough", but to get these players ahead of other sides...we are not doing this anymore and its why we are so reliant on a group we have, and older, experienced signings.