Attention to detail

[gregga]

First of all, can I just say this is not a Harry-bashing thread.

This scout report prepared by Villas Boas when he was a scout at Chelsea back in '05 was posted on the Telegraph website:

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01927/art18-1_1927022a.pdf

Being bored with the distinct lack of interesting transfer rumours going round at the moment, I was wondering whether anyone here thinks that Spurs/Harry goes into this level of detail when preparing for games?

Is this something all teams do, because sometimes it looks like our team has just been chucked out there without enough regard to the opposition's style and we get punished as a result?

Not sure if I can think of any perfect examples at the moment, but we certainly looked ill prepared when we went out to face Young Boys at the start of last season.

Thoughts?

 

[Blockbuster]

I'm sure Harry selects his Favorite's and says 'go out there and run around a bit and look busy'

sometimes he gets lucky and we win, other times we don't.

 

[kaz Hirai]

I'm sure Harry selects his Favorite's and says 'go out there and run around a bit and look busy'

sometimes he gets lucky and we win, other times we don't.

:lol: well that's how Pav and Raph tell it anyway

 

[gregga]

I'm sure Harry selects his Favorite's and says 'go out there and run around a bit and look busy'

sometimes he gets lucky and we win, other times we don't.

:roll:

I'm not saying we're a bunch of amateurs, just that sometimes it looks like we don't have a clue at how to break down weaker teams' defences, or we are caught unawares by other teams' runners from deep.

If you read that scouting report it goes into amazing detail into exactly how the opposition defence might be forced into making mistakes and how the other team's attacks are built up.

 

[brett.spurs]

Haha, just trying to imagine Harry's reaction if a scout plonked that on his desk.

 

[Wiener]

I'm sure Harry selects his Favorite's and says 'go out there and run around a bit and look busy'

sometimes he gets lucky and we win, other times we don't.

What exactly do you mean by "his favourites"? Are you suggesting that his decisions are based on his feelings towards certain players (i.e. emotion)? Or does he use a scientific approach?

My opinion, based on nothing other than the endless and often confusing interviews he gives, is that 'Arry is not so interested in using statistics and analysis to select teams or transfer targets. He seems to be much more old-fashioned relying on experience, instinct/intuition and his charisma.

There was a very interesting article in the Weekend FT a few weeks back by Simon Kuper called "A football revolution" about how the "nerds" are increasingly being used to make key decisions by coaches, trainers, scouts and football directors in general. Our very own Comolli is very much one of these nerds. I am sure Levy's next choice of manager will come from this school of so-called nerds.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/9471db52-97bb-11e0-9c37-00144feab49a.html#axzz1QkMHMduF

 

[ravo]

Impressive stuff, although I wouldn't expect much less from a top-league scout. It would seriously concern me if we didn't do something similar.

 

[Blockbuster]

a lot of Teams in UK & Europe use Piero technology. http://www.redbeemedia.com/piero know for a fact Liverpool & Fulham use this in the EPL.

 

[gregga]

What exactly do you mean by "his favourites"? Are you suggesting that his decisions are based on his feelings towards certain players (i.e. emotion)? Or does he use a scientific approach?

My opinion, based on nothing other than the endless and often confusing interviews he gives, is that 'Arry is not so interested in using statistics and analysis to select teams or transfer targets. He seems to be much more old-fashioned relying on experience, instinct/intuition and his charisma.

There was a very interesting article in the Weekend FT a few weeks back by Simon Kuper called "A football revolution" about how the "nerds" are increasingly being used to make key decisions by coaches, trainers, scouts and football directors in general. Our very own Comolli is very much one of these nerds. I am sure Levy's next choice of manager will come from this school of so-called nerds.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/9471db52-97bb-11e0-9c37-00144feab49a.html#axzz1QkMHMduF

Appearances can deceive though.

If I remember correctly, Big Sam was one of the first to use ProZone, and he seems cut very much from the old-school.

 

[tobi]

Giving each player a clear defined role should make a difference, telling Pav to run around a little is pointless.

 

[Wiener]

Appearances can deceive though.

If I remember correctly, Big Sam was one of the first to use ProZone, and he seems cut very much from the old-school.

Indeed Fat Sam is mentioned in the article as I recall. I never thought of him as old school though. He was always playing the percentages and and going on about in his interviews.

 

[gregga]

Great article BTW.

Makes me wonder though, for all his use of stats, can Wenger find one that addresses his players' mental weakness?

That is surely the only thing that is holding his team back, and cannot be addressed by using stats to identify the right player.

This is why Fergie will probably always be the greatest manager the English game has ever seen.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

I think Harry focuses more on the way that our team plays more so than opposition. Wenger is the same from what I can tell. Harry probably picks out key things from scouting reports and backs them up with his own knowlege and speaks to individual players and asks them to perform certain roles. This was highlighted against Chelsea when he told Sandro to keep the position in front of the defence.

 

[sloth]

What exactly do you mean by "his favourites"? Are you suggesting that his decisions are based on his feelings towards certain players (i.e. emotion)? Or does he use a scientific approach?

My opinion, based on nothing other than the endless and often confusing interviews he gives, is that 'Arry is not so interested in using statistics and analysis to select teams or transfer targets. He seems to be much more old-fashioned relying on experience, instinct/intuition and his charisma.

There was a very interesting article in the Weekend FT a few weeks back by Simon Kuper called "A football revolution" about how the "nerds" are increasingly being used to make key decisions by coaches, trainers, scouts and football directors in general. Our very own Comolli is very much one of these nerds. I am sure Levy's next choice of manager will come from this school of so-called nerds.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/9471db52-97bb-11e0-9c37-00144feab49a.html#axzz1QkMHMduF

Great article mate, thanks for posting. I might try and start a thread with it.

 

[There's always next year]

Haha, just trying to imagine Harry's reaction if a scout plonked that on his desk.

There's no room on his desk due to the endless copies of Auto Trader and Exchange and Mart scattered among his uncompleted tax return forms.

 

[Stoof]

Giving each player a clear defined role should make a difference, telling Pav to run around a little is pointless.

Scored the winner by making a [good run]/[being in the right place following a run] against Liverpool. (Which is what game that quote is taken from).

Football isn't as complicated as people make out.

I'm not suggesting I could do the job, I'm just suggesting that you can't digest that level of report and tell it to a footballer whose just shot someone with an air rifle and refused to apologise.

Yes, I'm all for educating people and people being clever. Footballers simply aren't. They run, they kick. Sometimes even both together.

 

[gregga]

There's no room on his desk due to the endless copies of Auto Trader and Exchange and Mart scattered among his uncompleted tax return forms.

:rofl:

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

Why does Redknapp need dossiers like this prepared when Hansen and Shearer explain everything he needs to know every Saturday night?

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Why does Redknapp need dossiers like this prepared when Hansen and Shearer explain everything he needs to know every Saturday night?

Harry was lucky really. Ramos probably left him his blueprint.

 

[There's always next year]

Harry was lucky really. Ramos probably left him his blueprint.

You're brave with comment, as the Pro Harry brigade will be gunning for you believing Ramos and Comolli's signings have had anything to do with Harry's success.