back pass rule.

[theShiznit]

Just seen an over hit back pass in the Southampton vs palace game which the keeper kneed before hoofing. And was wondering... The keeper can pick up the ball if it's come from a knee, chest or header so what about if he knees, heads or chests it? Can he then pick it up?
As you often see keepers knee or chest over hit back passes but they never then pick it up

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

No

 

[mightyspur]

No

If, however, in the opinion of the referee, a player uses a deliberate trick in order to circumvent the amendment to Law 12, the player will be guilty of unsporting behavior and will be punished accordingly in terms of Law 12; that is to say, the player will be cautioned and an indirect free-kick will be awarded to the opposing team from the place where the player committed the offense. Examples of such tricks would include: a player who deliberately flicks the ball with his feet up onto his head in order to head the ball to his goalkeeper; or, a player who kneels down and deliberately pushes the ball to the goalkeeper with his knee, etc. In such circumstances, it is irrelevant whether the goalkeeper subsequently touches the ball with his hands or not. The offense is committed by the player in attempting to circumvent both the text and the spirit of Law 12, and the referee must only be convinced that this was the player’s motive.

 

[theShiznit]

Can't find anything about the keeper kneeing, chesting or heading in the rules.

Just handling after a ball has been kicked from below the knee.

With regards to the trick ruling, when we see keepers knee, chest or head it's nearly always borne of necessity to set up the hoof down field.

 

[mightyspur]

Can't find anything about the keeper kneeing, chesting or heading in the rules.

Just handling after a ball has been kicked from below the knee.

With regards to the trick ruling, when we see keepers knee, chest or head it's nearly always borne of necessity to set up the hoof down field.

A keeper is still a player and if he performs a trick to circumvent law 12 he will be punished for unsporting behaviour.

 

[theShiznit]

Having to knee or chest or head the ball is not a trick, players pass back via those means all the time and the keeper is allowed to pick up the ball.

 

[mightyspur]

Having to knee or chest or head the ball is not a trick, players pass back via those means all the time and the keeper is allowed to pick up the ball.

What are you talking about? In your original question you asked:

The keeper can pick up the ball is it's come from a knee, chest or header so what about if he knees, heads or chests it? Can he then pick it up?

The answer to that is no, because do that is an unsporting action in an attempt to circumvent law 12 by performing a trick, i.e ball was kicked to him from a players foot, he heads it up in the air and catches it.

 

[Amo]

No

Didn't Assou-Ekotto do this once?

 

[wooderz]

So if Ronaldo does a "trick" to get past Messi - is that a free kick for unsporting behavior? Isn't a trick just skill and all part of the game?

 

[theShiznit]

What are you talking about? In your original question you asked:



The answer to that is no, because do that is an unsporting action in an attempt to circumvent law 12 by performing a trick, i.e ball was kicked to him from a players foot, he heads it up in the air and catches it.

Dude, if the ball has come to the keepers head, how can him heading it be considered a "trick"?

He's not laying on the floor to head it.

I'm talking about when keepers have natural cause to knee, chest or head, not flick it up with their feet.

 

[mightyspur]

Didn't Assou-Ekotto do this once?

Not quite. He didn't flick it up from the floor and perform a trick. It came to him in the air and he either chested or used his knee (I can't quite remember) to control it up to his head and then headed it back.

 

[mightyspur]

So if Ronaldo does a "trick" to get past Messi - is that a free kick for unsporting behavior? Isn't a trick just skill and all part of the game?

If he performed the trick to avoid breaking a law within the game, then yes. Just performing a trick to get past someone isn't circumventing a law.

 

[mightyspur]

Dude, if the ball has come to the keepers head, how can him heading it be considered a "trick"?

He's not laying on the floor to head it.

I'm talking about when keepers have natural cause to knee, chest or head, not flick it up with their feet.

Because he's juggling the ball in order to make it appear like the ball hasn't just been picked up direct from another playing kicking it to him. It might be a shit "trick", but juggling is still a trick and could be seen as unsporting in order to circumvent a law.

 

[Ribble]

Just seen an over hit back pass in the Southampton vs palace game which the keeper kneed before hoofing. And was wondering... The keeper can pick up the ball if it's come from a knee, chest or header so what about if he knees, heads or chests it? Can he then pick it up?
As you often see keepers knee or chest over hit back passes but they never then pick it up

The important action isn't what the 'keeper does with it, it's what the player who passes to him does.

 

[theShiznit]

The important action isn't what the 'keeper does with it, it's what the player who passes to him does.

Yeah that would be the only reason but there is no clarity around it.

The trick issue is moot in regards to the keeper.

 

[Spurger King]

Not quite. He didn't flick it up from the floor and perform a trick. It came to him in the air and he either chested or used his knee (I can't quite remember) to control it up to his head and then headed it back.

 

[wooderz]

Bounce, chest, knee, head - definitely a trick in that sense as he could easily have passed that with his foot.

Fuck the police!

 

[Blake Griffin]

So if Ronaldo does a "trick" to get past Messi - is that a free kick for unsporting behavior? Isn't a trick just skill and all part of the game?

because it can be abused by players trying to waste time.

 

[Ribble]

Yeah that would be the only reason but there is no clarity around it.

The trick issue is moot in regards to the keeper.

This is the actual rule:

(From here) "A goalkeeper is not permitted to touch the ball with his hand inside his own
penalty area in the following circumstances:

• if he handles the ball again after it has been released from his possession
and has not touched any other player:
– the goalkeeper is considered to be in control of the ball by touching
it with any part of his hands or arms except if the ball rebounds
accidentally from him, e.g. after he has made a save
– possession of the ball includes the goalkeeper deliberately parrying the
ball

• if he touches the ball with his hands after it has been deliberately kicked to
him by a team-mate

• if he touches the ball with his hands after he has received it directly from a
throw-in taken by a team-mate"

Touches are irrelevant, if a team-mate deliberately kicks it to him then he can't touch it with his hands.

 

[Shanks]

I think what the OP means, that if a player does a backpass to him, can he do a keepy uppy, knee it and then catch it himself, as the ball is coming off the keepers own knee, rather than foot.

Pretty good question to be honest, I doubt it's allowed though - pretty sure there is a rule indicating that the keeper cannot pass to himself or something along those lines.

(I may have completely misunderstood the posts though, that happens a lot)!

Although I could try it on Sunday (hants cup semi final match) and see if I get away with it ;-)