Challenge to those who think Winter transfer window is a failure because we didn't bring in strikers

[ultimateloner]

Hi all
I'm abit sick of the fickleless of those who complain about our lack of strikers.
I think this is a nice to have, not a must have; and the failure to secure a striker won't be our undoing.

Reason: we are on track to achieving our stated objective of a CL finish with 2 recognized first team strikers in the 1st half of the season; we are going to have them for most of the second half, so i don't get why not adding a third is such a big problem.

Why i think you are fickle: most of us are recognize at the start of the season that with the departure of VdV/Modric this won't be a easy season. AvB has done well to get us 4th now. This is why i can't stand fans who keep shifting the goal posts; first that we aren't playing attractive football, now to not addressing a problem in our squad. It annoys me because I am not easy to appease but even I accept that we are delivering given the context in which we find ourselfs. Don't forget we haven't had the best of years financially too.

 

[Real_madyidd]

What's the challenge?

 

[ultimateloner]

What's the challenge?

Do you think its fickle to demand a third striker (failure to do so = sackable offense)

 

[Real_madyidd]

Do you think its fickle to demand a third striker (failure to do so = sackable offense)

It's not fickle, in the sense that people are not dis-loyal because they demand a striker. We are all loyal to Spurs here, we all want what is best. However, we disagree about what is best for the club. Personally I think we should have a third striker, and I feel let down. I sincerely hope that I am wrong and we make third / fourth, so no, I don't think fickleness has anything to do with it.

 

[ultimateloner]

It's not fickle, in the sense that people are not dis-loyal because they demand a striker. We are all loyal to Spurs here, we all want what is best. However, we disagree about what is best for the club. Personally I think we should have a third striker, and I feel let down. I sincerely hope that I am wrong and we make third / fourth, so no, I don't think fickleness has anything to do with it.

I won't disagree that I would want a 3rd quality striker; one who is on par or better than what we have now. Who doesn't.
However I think it's fickle/unfair to demand a 3rd striker or else, given that we are already delivering against our objectives. I don't understand why you are disappointed....because you don't think we can get 4th without one? But hasn't our 1st half point tally show that we don't need one?

 

[Real_madyidd]

I won't disagree that I would want a 3rd quality striker; one who is on par or better than what we have now. Who doesn't.
However I think it's fickle/unfair to demand a 3rd striker or else, given that we are already delivering against our objectives. I don't understand why you are disappointed....because you don't think we can get 4th without one? But hasn't our 1st half point tally show that we don't need one?

I honestly don't feel that fans can "demand" anything. I don't demand a third striker as I can't say "or else". There are no consequences to the club for me not being happy about not having a third striker!

You don't understand why I am dissappointed? Well, JD is normally good for half a season, and he has just done that. Ade doesn't appear to be trying, and we have nothing else. We have such a good squad that we could be right near the top, competing with the best, but I fear that we will not be, purely for the lack of one player, it's truely frustrating!

You would do well to remember the words of the greatest manager ever.

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/the-bill-nicholson-quotes-thread.8223/


"It is better to fail aiming high than to succeed aiming low. And we of Spurs have set our sights very high, so high in fact that even failure will have in it an echo of glory."


"There's no use being satisfied when things are done wrongly. I want perfection."


"It's magnificent to be in Europe, and this club - a club like Tottenham Hotspur - if we're not in Europe.... we're nothing. we're nothing."


"It's no use just winning, we've got to win well."

"We must always consider our supporters, for without them there would be no professional football. It would be better to have more fans watching football the way they like it played, rather than have a few fans watching football the way we would like it played."


"The public can't be kidded. They know what they want to see, what is good and what is bad and what is just average. At least I believe they do."


"If you don't have to drag yourself off the field exhausted after 90 minutes, you can't claim to have done your best."


"Any player coming to Spurs whether he's a big signing or just a ground staff boy must be dedicated to the game and to the club. He must be prepared to work at his game. He must never be satisfied with his last performance, and he must hate losing."


"Naturally I'm a Tottenham man. So far as football is concerned, it means almost everything, doesn't it really? Because I can reflect back to being a player with, and manager of some of the finest players that have ever been in the game."


"When it is played at its best football remains the greatest game of all. And Tottenham, so close to my heart, is still to me the greatest club."


"I always said that it was an honour to serve Tottenham Hotspur and I feel the same every time I walk back into the stadium."


"Spurs have got to be the best in the land, not the second best."

"It's been my life, Tottenham Hotspur,and I love the club."

Fickle? No!
Demanding? You bet we are.

 

[BillyWhizz]

Chelsea are going with 2 experienced strikers as well, when you only play with one up top this shouldn't be a massive problem.
If Ade wasn't away I doubt there would be as many people moaning about it. He'll be back in 2 weeks(ish) so its not a crisis.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

What a load of nonsense and misrepresentation. The club have now confirmed that we tried to sign Leandro. That means the club acknowledge we need another striker. So to suggest fans are wrong for suggesting the same is plain stupid.

What I think really irks everyone is that if we want a striker lets scout and try obtain players within our means lets stop the farce of chasing players beyond our means in the hope that we get a gift like VdV every window. This transfer window tactic is either dumb or a cynical PR tactic, which at this point is also dumb as we all see through it.

 

[Stavrogin]

Yeah, it's not fickle, but it is problematic, and people don't really take a very strategic view of things.

If we sign a £10m striker, what happens when Defoe and Adebayor are back (within 2-3 weeks?) and we start to play with 1 forward as AVB seems to want?

If we sign a £20m striker, what happens if Adebayor gets dropped, can we sell him easily? Will we end up with a terrible wage burden?

If we sign a £5m striker, will he actually be much more effective than Kane or Dempsey for those few matches?

Things are further complicated when you think how this stopgap will inhibit any moves we make in the summer. If we get Champions league and the opportunity arises for a Llorente type, will we miss out because we've signed a Negredo?

We'd all like an effective third striker but it's not easy. On the other hand, we haven't had an effective striking reserve for a long time.

We were spoiled by having 4 good forwards for so long. But when you think about it, we were always struggling to accommodate them. Bent, Mido, Pavlyuchenko, Keane, Defoe, Kanoute - we're not Man Utd.

 

[Nocando]

How many strikers do liverpool, chelsea and man city have? We have two recognised to fit into 1 position with another four that can play as the am. Plus additional youth strikers.

The club are quite justified to consider this adequate regardless of whether you or I think we need another.

Yeah id love this player and that player but im in no position to question our management as a consequence of not getting who I wanted.

Quoting bill nic has no bearing on this because he didnt always have a perfect squad and achieved many things in spite of this.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Yeah, it's not fickle, but it is problematic, and people don't really take a very strategic view of things.

If we sign a £10m striker, what happens when Defoe and Adebayor are back (within 2-3 weeks?) and we start to play with 1 forward as AVB seems to want?

If we sign a £20m striker, what happens if Adebayor gets dropped, can we sell him easily? Will we end up with a terrible wage burden?

If we sign a £5m striker, will he actually be much more effective than Kane or Dempsey for those few matches?

Things are further complicated when you think how this stopgap will inhibit any moves we make in the summer. If we get Champions league and the opportunity arises for a Llorente type, will we miss out because we've signed a Negredo?

We'd all like an effective third striker but it's not easy. On the other hand, we haven't had an effective striking reserve for a long time.

We were spoiled by having 4 good forwards for so long. But when you think about it, we were always struggling to accommodate them. Bent, Mido, Pavlyuchenko, Keane, Defoe, Kanoute - we're not Man Utd.

This is absolutely spot on I reckon.

If Defoe was actually out injured long term then yes any sort of striker would probably have done, but if we'd signed Leandro, with Defoe being fit and Adebayor being back in a couple of weeks we'd have had three highly paid strikers for what will presumably be one position. Financially I don't know if that's particularly sensible, let alone what it might do to dressing room morale.

On the other hand it is arguable that neither of Defoe or Adebayor are really firing at the moment so we should have been moving heaven and earth to sign a striker and perhaps ship one of them out. If we's signed a player of equal quality then what happens when we want to upgrade in the Summer?

On the freaky third hand, maybe the problem was that we lacked creativity and perhaps our super Anglo-German will sort that out and start giving our strikers more chances and help them go on a roll.

 

[Nocando]

I think this most comes down to a dislike of defoe and ade. Well now be seeing a lot more of them than many had hoped and this irks them. From a business perspective I dont think getting ld would have been the difference between qualifying for the cl or not. I think that would have depended on the quality of our midfield, albeit mouts or possibly holtby now.

Not perfect but were in a good position, even with the injury to sandro (which is a massive factor)

 

[JimmyG2]

If everyone and AVB conclude that we don't need another striker
why the heck are we trying to sign one for close to £20million?
We either need one or we don't.
Obika and Harry Kane are fine by me
but most people seem to be sweating on CL. qualification.

 

[jonnyp]

I didn't really care about striker. I think our biggest problem is lack of creativity in midfield. Ball rentention has become a lot better as the players have gotten to know each other but there has been a distinct lack of clever movement, tempo and creativity in midfield for large parts this season. Fair enough our strikers have been poor in the last month, but we haven't created enough chances either. Dempsey and Sigurdsson are not good enough IMO. If Holtby proves to improve us in this respect then we will have had a decent window.

 

[ItsBoris]

Do you think its fickle to demand a third striker (failure to do so = sackable offense)

No one has said that and no one blames AVB for not adding a striker.

It is a missed opportunity though imo. I do think it will cost us fourth spot in the end. I'm not trying to be 'fickle' I'm just stating my view and I'm not saying it in a way that is hostile, I'm being analytical.

 

[ultimateloner]

I honestly don't feel that fans can "demand" anything. I don't demand a third striker as I can't say "or else". There are no consequences to the club for me not being happy about not having a third striker!

You don't understand why I am dissappointed? Well, JD is normally good for half a season, and he has just done that. Ade doesn't appear to be trying, and we have nothing else. We have such a good squad that we could be right near the top, competing with the best, but I fear that we will not be, purely for the lack of one player, it's truely frustrating!

You would do well to remember the words of the greatest manager ever.

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/the-bill-nicholson-quotes-thread.8223/


"It is better to fail aiming high than to succeed aiming low. And we of Spurs have set our sights very high, so high in fact that even failure will have in it an echo of glory."


"There's no use being satisfied when things are done wrongly. I want perfection."


"It's magnificent to be in Europe, and this club - a club like Tottenham Hotspur - if we're not in Europe.... we're nothing. we're nothing."


"It's no use just winning, we've got to win well."

"We must always consider our supporters, for without them there would be no professional football. It would be better to have more fans watching football the way they like it played, rather than have a few fans watching football the way we would like it played."


"The public can't be kidded. They know what they want to see, what is good and what is bad and what is just average. At least I believe they do."


"If you don't have to drag yourself off the field exhausted after 90 minutes, you can't claim to have done your best."


"Any player coming to Spurs whether he's a big signing or just a ground staff boy must be dedicated to the game and to the club. He must be prepared to work at his game. He must never be satisfied with his last performance, and he must hate losing."


"Naturally I'm a Tottenham man. So far as football is concerned, it means almost everything, doesn't it really? Because I can reflect back to being a player with, and manager of some of the finest players that have ever been in the game."


"When it is played at its best football remains the greatest game of all. And Tottenham, so close to my heart, is still to me the greatest club."


"I always said that it was an honour to serve Tottenham Hotspur and I feel the same every time I walk back into the stadium."


"Spurs have got to be the best in the land, not the second best."

"It's been my life, Tottenham Hotspur,and I love the club."

Fickle? No!
Demanding? You bet we are.

I agree with your fans cant demand point. I see where you are disappointed now; you feel we can do better than 4th with the addition of a new striker. Im not sure the risk/rewards are good. The gains from being third vs 4th isn't all that; not enough to wager on a big player. If there was one around for reasonable costs that get him by all means but don't risk the coffers just to get third.
Or if you are suggesting we are 1 striker short of winning the title then you are wrong; i don't assume thats what you think.

 

[ultimateloner]

What a load of nonsense and misrepresentation. The club have now confirmed that we tried to sign Leandro. That means the club acknowledge we need another striker. So to suggest fans are wrong for suggesting the same is plain stupid.

What I think really irks everyone is that if we want a striker lets scout and try obtain players within our means lets stop the farce of chasing players beyond our means in the hope that we get a gift like VdV every window. This transfer window tactic is either dumb or a cynical PR tactic, which at this point is also dumb as we all see through it.

Read what i say before saying i'm wrong. I said having a third striker is a nice to have, not a must have. I didn't say fans are wrong for wanting a third; who doesn't. I say fans are fickle for damning Levy's failure to land one.

 

[ultimateloner]

No one has said that and no one blames AVB for not adding a striker.

It is a missed opportunity though imo. I do think it will cost us fourth spot in the end. I'm not trying to be 'fickle' I'm just stating my view and I'm not saying it in a way that is hostile, I'm being analytical.

I didn't intend to point at AvB. Im thinking more on the lines that fans are fickle for damning Levy's failure to land a third striker. I think we need to wait for the right one to turn up at the right price and not risk our coffers.

 

[TheGreenLily]

Chelsea are going with 2 experienced strikers as well, when you only play with one up top this shouldn't be a massive problem.
If Ade wasn't away I doubt there would be as many people moaning about it. He'll be back in 2 weeks(ish) so its not a crisis.

We need a 3rd striker and no two ways about it.

Ade could be back, yes, but then he could also get injured, Defoe is already injured and take 30 attempts to be goal (being sarcastic here), then we have what? Some inexperienced kids one of who has just come back from a lengthy injury.

 

[NEVILLEB]

There's a few oddballs on here whose lives don't exist outside of supporting Tottenham Hotspur FC.

They can't handle any criticism of the Club because they have nothing else to fill their time.

They spend all their time on a football forum, desperately trying to convert the rational supporters to their fanatical beliefs. If anyone disagrees they resort to using school yard taunts rather than having a mature debate.

This forum could be so much better without this.