City’s ‘Big Six’ rivals are ‘pushing hardest for them to be punished.’

[mawspurs]

Sky Sports News have today reported that City’s ‘Big Six’ rivals, Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham, are ‘pushing hardest for them to be punished.’

Though it could take years to conclude the investigation, it is reported that the ‘Big Six’ clubs believe stripping City of their titles would be ‘meaningless’ and that imposing a fine would not be an adequate punishment.

Source: Give Me Sport

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Chelsea !!!

 

[Trix]

Chelsea !!!

Just media guesswork going on. They'll have to find a new angle on this everyday to keep that ticker moving. I doubt any of the clubs have made their positions known as yet. It just suits Sky to say they are to whip up more of a frenzy.

 

[Joe Bjorn Hotspur]

To be honest out of the apparent 5 coming out against City, Spurs and Liverpool have a backbone in such an argument.

Come on Chelsea, you don’t even need to waste words on them. Arsenal (I must admit I’ve been guilty of putting out the nonsense of a fairy tale narrative for them). Up to 2021/22 Arsenal's total loss of £213m across those three years was among the highest in the Premier League, while their £218m on transfers was also one of the division's top figures. Man U net spend 2018-2022 = £540.23m.

I would not consider myself to be a cheerleader for ENIC / Levy but with the other 5 and throw in Newcastle, to be competing with that is remarkable really.

Find it very amusing Sky Sports of all people have a certain tone on this City story when they’re the mascots for transfers, IDK and deadline day: putting the emphasis on record amounts spent with a tone of glee.
At the same time I can see where the City fans are coming from (non plastic, there before the oil money) as they gate crashed first of all and broke the usual Man U, Chelsea & Arsenal dominance of the 2000s.

I still don’t have any sympathy for City as in this period it can most certainly be argued that we would’ve won a few trophies along the way.

I remember when Crouchy scored the winner at City in 2010 for top 4 and felt make hay, temporarily, when the sun shines on us: even more remarkable in the grand scheme of things is how we’ve been the nearly team in this past decade.

The past few days have woken me up a bit: puts a lot into perspective and it would be even sweeter to win the FA Cup and the CL. We can hold our heads up high as a club: we’ve been in as many CL finals as City and with the unlimited funds they have as well.

 

[Metalhead]

Just media guesswork going on. They'll have to find a new angle on this everyday to keep that ticker moving. I doubt any of the clubs have made their positions known as yet. It just suits Sky to say they are to whip up more of a frenzy.

No doubt it'll be taken literally by a lot of Man City fans.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

Man U net spend 2018-2022 = £540.23m.

Net transfer spend =/= overall net spend (i.e. loss)

I have no idea where Man Utd stands in terms of overall profit/loss in recent years, but their annual revenue is approx. £200m higher than ours. This means they can have a much higher net spend on transfers than us, without making an overall loss and without breaching FFP.

 

[Trix]

No doubt it'll be taken literally by a lot of Man City fans.

And son would large sections of every fan base imo. Siege mentality innit.

 

[Joe Bjorn Hotspur]

Net transfer spend =/= overall net spend (i.e. loss)

I have no idea where Man Utd stands in terms of overall profit/loss in recent years, but their annual revenue is approx. £200m higher than ours. This means they can have a much higher net spend on transfers than us, without making an overall loss and without breaching FFP.

Same here, don’t know Man Utd’s overall figures exactly but was just getting at the gross amounts of money that can be spent which obviously they can get around with their revenue. There just needs to be genuine FFP but we will never get that.

 

[Japhet]

Of course they'll be pushing hardest. They're the clubs that have been robbed of tens (possibly hundreds) of millions by Man City's continual cheating. Chelsea can obviously go fuck themselves.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

Same here, don’t know Man Utd’s overall figures exactly but was just getting at the gross amounts of money that can be spent which obviously they can get around with their revenue. There just needs to be genuine FFP but we will never get that.

If a club is more successful in generating revenue, why shouldn't they be allowed to invest that extra revenue?

 

[Rocksuperstar]

While I agree, this 100% media stab in the dark over an obvious situation could've been written by an AI, but I hope it's not the case. I hope that the club stay out of the entire thing, make no comment and go about our business while the FA and... I dunno, whoever gets to decide on this sort of thing, do what they have to do.

It's none of our business and this idea that there are representatives of any other clubs waving imaginary red-cards at an imaginary ref - Give Me Sport? Give Me something else to read cos this is dumb filler.

 

[Metalhead]

And son would large sections of every fan base imo. Siege mentality innit.

Definitely. I reckon that a lot of them will probably enjoy the situation because it feeds into the tribalism.

 

[whitesocks]

If a club is more successful in generating revenue, why shouldn't they be allowed to invest that extra revenue?

because they dont play the game on their own. It's a 'match'. The teams are meant to be matched in some way.
One of the reasons the prem is so popular around the world and so generates so much money is because the tv payments are distributed fairly reasonably much to the disgust of the likes of klopp. So there are no easy games.
Maybe few tune in to see wolves play, but they'll tune in to see them play liverpool when there is genuine peril for both sides.

 

[Trotter]

Before the CAS hearing, 9 Premier League clubs wrote to both UEFA and CAS asking for Manchester City to be banned from Europe with immediate effect. This was documented within the CAS hearing.
Those 9 clubs were the usual suspects Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham but also Wolves, Leicester, Newcastle and Burnley (who were all had a chance of finishing in European places that season at the time hearing took place, end of Jan 2020)

 

[Joe Bjorn Hotspur]

If a club is more successful in generating revenue, why shouldn't they be allowed to invest that extra revenue?

They do and have been for years. My point, which will not happen, is genuine FFP right across the board in football: a romantic view of the game which is only going to happen in a parallel universe to be fair. A more democratised model rather than a financially doped one but we cannot even get that in the society in which we live in. Just more depressing I guess as elite football just mirrors the BS rigged system in which we live in.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

because they dont play the game on their own. It's a 'match'. The teams are meant to be matched in some way.
One of the reasons the prem is so popular around the world and so generates so much money is because the tv payments are distributed fairly reasonably much to the disgust of the likes of klopp. So there are no easy games.
Maybe few tune in to see wolves play, but they'll tune in to see them play liverpool when there is genuine peril for both sides.

Should prize money be scrapped then, to ensure all teams are evenly matched? Or are you proposing that all teams are given a fixed monetary spending cap (rather than percentage of revenue)? Would club owners be obligated to spend that fixed amount of money to ensure their team is "matched" to their opponents, rather than some clubs lining their shareholder's pockets while others invest every penny they can into the playing squad?

How would this work for domestic cup games between teams of different divisions? How would it work for matching teams vying for promotion to those battling to avoid relegation? Surely all teams throughout the football pyramid would need to be "matched", otherwise the current mismatch is just being shifted down that pyramid by 10-15 clubs (from the "big" PL clubs to the Championship), rather than eradicated.

How would this work for continental cup games between teams from different countries where there's a huge disparity in wealth? Does an English or German club's spending needing to be capped at what a club from somewhere like Moldova or Georgia can afford?

I'm all for equal opportunity, but not for everyone being limited by the lowest common denominator. I think the intended financial balance is almost where it should be, with clubs allowed to spend more if they earn more, but not if a billionaire chooses to throw money into a club. The main issues are the ease at which clubs can navigate unintended loopholes and the inability of the leagues / associations to enforce well-meaning regulations. Man City and Chelsea shouldn't have been able to buy success in the way they have. West Ham shouldn't have been able to get away with their narrow escape from relegation after signing Tevez & Mascherano (they should have been relegated, not fined a poxy £5.5m). Leicester and Bournemouth shouldn't have been allowed their promotions into the PL despite breaching FFP.

 

[TonyS]

If a club is more successful in generating revenue, why shouldn't they be allowed to invest that extra revenue?

Yes, but the FA dont believe the revenue that Man City have shown, is accurate and that it is inflated. Also, that some of their sponsorship money (revenue) is coming from companies owned by the owners themselves. There is no way MC could suddenly have way more revenue that MU or Real Madrid in the short space of them they have been successful.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

Yes, but the FA dont believe the revenue that Man City have shown, is accurate and that it is inflated. Also, that some of their sponsorship money (revenue) is coming from companies owned by the owners themselves. There is no way MC could suddenly have way more revenue that MU or Real Madrid in the short space of them they have been successful.

I was replying to a post about Man United being able to get away with a high net spend on transfers due to their high revenue...