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Collina Masterclass - 5th/6th Officials

WalkerboyUK

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Did anyone else watch the Sky Sports special with Pierluigi Collina?
Fascinating stuff as he talked through the responsibilities of the 5th & 6th officials (the ones that stand on the goal line in European games).
A major misconception amongst both fans and clubs is that they are there just to decide on whether the ball has crossed the line. The reality is that they are involved in a hell of a lot more. They really are an extra pair of eyes for the referee and are a necessity in the modern game due to the speed involved.
Some really good examples were shown and the audio of conversations were also used.
First example was from Italy v Croatia a couple of years ago. Referee is in correct position, watching the winger as he moves down the wing and then swings a cross in. While this is happening, there is a tussle in the box between Croation striker and Italy defender, with both going down. As the ball gets into the box the linesman calls for a foul by the defender. Collina pointed out that the linesman's job nowadays is purely to decide on offside. It's impossible for him to watch for physical contact etc. which is where the additional assistant comes into play.
As the linesman calls a foul, the additional assistant says it's a "defensive foul" meaning the striker was the first to commit the foul (replays show this to be the case too).. He repeats this a couple of times in a matter of seconds, to which the referee replies that in that case nothing is going to be given (ball actually ended up going out of play).
Ref had no visibility of the incident but could easily have gone with the linesman's call of penalty.
Worth noting that the ref was Howard Webb and the additional assistant was Clattenburg!

There were some more examples shown, including Bayern v Real in the CL where Muller went looking for a penalty in stoppage time. Ref can't see because of his position but the additional assistant was able to call out "Nothing, nothing, nothing" as he had perfect view as it happened.

Naturally there was also clips of where the system failed (Bayern v Barca) and Collina gave good reason for the failure.

He also used an example of Chelsea v Barca (Collina was the ref) where Terry scored with a header, but Carvalho had grabbed the keeper and pulled him out of the way. Collina couldn't see contact because so many players were in the box. Had there been an additional assistant the goal would have been disallowed.

No doubt in my mind that it should be implemented in the PL as soon as possible.
 

talkshowhost86

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Do we have enough refs in this country to have 5 per game? I'd also be against only implementing it in the PL and not the football league as a whole because then you start to create a divide.

Good to see someone talking through it rationally though as it is an easy thing to just criticise without knowing how it's used.
 

WalkerboyUK

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Do we have enough refs in this country to have 5 per game? I'd also be against only implementing it in the PL and not the football league as a whole because then you start to create a divide.

Good to see someone talking through it rationally though as it is an easy thing to just criticise without knowing how it's used.

Souness also raised the point. Collina said that in other countries it's used just in the top division and it's working fine. He said that with regards to having enough officials, you can bring the lesser experienced ones up from Championship level as the additional assistants for one or two games per week. I think that would work because PL games now are split across 3 days (Sat-Mon) and it means the refs would be given more games to work on.

He also pointed out that having a 5th/6th official would have resolved the Oxlade-Chamberlain/Gibbs incident in seconds as they would have seen:
a) Who did it
b) Was the ball going in (difference between yellow and red card)

He said that on average there are 11 corners per game in the PL and that can mean upto 16 players in the penalty area at that time. A proper referee would know who the danger men are at a corner and would watch them as the focus point (Terry v Barca example). He cannot see all the shirt pulling, elbowing etc. because it's impossible for him to do that and watch what he has to watch. An assistant on the line would have it covered.

Interestingly they also covered the Ukraine v England game when Ukraine had a goal disallowed. The ball crossed the line by 2.2cm! Souness questioned why the 5th official didn't give it and there were two answers.
a) The defender who cleared the ball was wearing white shirt, white shorts, white socks and white boots. The ball was also white. You try and spot a 2.2cm patch of grass in that lot!
b) Although he was perfectly positioned, his head was 6 inches to the left of the goal line (leaning towards the pitch). A study/report showed that if he leaned 6 inches the other way he would possibly have seen it.
 

nailsy

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Sounds interesting. I hope some of the TV football experts out there watched it to learn a thing or two.
 

WalkerboyUK

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Sounds interesting. I hope some of the TV football experts out there watched it to learn a thing or two.

Souness stood there open mouthed at one point, then said it needed to be shown to all the PL clubs.
Said he had no doubt they would adopt it if they knew everything about it.

It's available on Sky On Demand
 

nailsy

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Souness stood there open mouthed at one point, then said it needed to be shown to all the PL clubs.
Said he had no doubt they would adopt it if they knew everything about it.

It's available on Sky On Demand

Cheers mate - although I don't have Sky Sports now:(
 
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