Diego Maradona RIP

[Ossie85]

Don't know if confirmed but reports Boca Ultras killed the funeral workers that took a pic of Maradona in open coffin, grim

All made up.
Nothing happened.
In fact the funeral worker who got fired turned himself in yesterday even though I don't think he did anything against the law. He was released an hour later

 

[Stedt]

All made up.
Nothing happened.
In fact the funeral worker who got fired turned himself in yesterday even though I don't think he did anything against the law. He was released an hour later

What he did is punishable by the Criminal Code (I'm lawyer). Anyway I think it was Diego's family mistake: they left the body alone in that place, it was obviously it will happen.

This isn't the thread to talk about if Messi is the GOAT or Diego is. But it's not true what someone said here about Messi's career: Diego also played in Barcelona and he never score any goal in the UCL. Diego was an amazing an world class player for five or six years, no doubt; but Messi is that Diego every week since 2008.

For me, Messi is the best player in the whole history. I have no doubts.

 

[Gassin's finest]

What he did is punishable by the Criminal Code (I'm lawyer). Anyway I think it was Diego's family mistake: they left the body alone in that place, it was obviously it will happen.

This isn't the thread to talk about if Messi is the GOAT or Diego is. But it's not true what someone said here about Messi's career: Diego also played in Barcelona and he never score any goal in the UCL. Diego was an amazing an world class player for five or six years, no doubt; but Messi is that Diego every week since 2008.

For me, Messi is the best player in the whole history. I have no doubts.

Again, though, the comparison doesn't really work. The careers are a whole generation apart. Maradona went to Catalonia when he was 22(?) and got the absolute shite kicked out of him (see the horrific Goichaxea(sic?) foul). He was practically hounded out of the club.

Messi went to La Masia at 11, and has benefited from all the protection and sports science that the modern game provides.

Both the best of their generations, but so so different.

 

[Col_M]

credit to Joe Cole. Not the most gifted in the vocabulary stakes but manages to eek out a living when he can’t even pronounce Buttons.

fun bit of analysis that. Watching the ball bobble and those tackles flying in.

 

[Col_M]

What he did is punishable by the Criminal Code (I'm lawyer). Anyway I think it was
Diego's family mistake: they left the body alone in that place, it was obviously it will happen.

This isn't the thread to talk about if Messi is the GOAT or Diego is. But it's not true what someone said here about Messi's career: Diego also played in Barcelona and he never score any goal in the UCL. Diego was an amazing an world class player for five or six years, no doubt; but Messi is that Diego every week since 2008.

For me, Messi is the best player in the whole history. I have no doubts.

There wasn’t a UCL when Diego played. And the team didn’t qualify because in them days you had to finish 1st.

Diego also didn’t win an Olympic Gold because he never had the opportunity, he did however lift the World Cup

You are comparing Pineapples to Bananas. Completely different .

 

[SlotBadger]

credit to Joe Cole. Not the most gifted in the vocabulary stakes but manages to eek out a living when he can’t even pronounce Buttons.

Also, it was nice of him to name-drop his favourite cartoon Gaul.

 

[RickyVilla]

Watching the highlights from 86 on BBC One now. That's the first real World Cup I remember and I think my favourite along with 98. Great times.

 

[Spurs 1961]

Every World Cup winning team had a talisman or two. Most had teammates around them that enabled them to play. Maradona ‘86 was perhaps the exception as his truly seemed like a one man show.
Not saying he is the greatest ... I am a big fan of Pele and George Best and Messi once I saw him live dismantling us ... but have to take into account the views of my many Argentinian friends who hold Maradona in such high regard as a footballer

 

[Col_M]

Persuaded the wife to watch the Diego Maradona film/doc with me. Already regretting. 20mins in and we’ve already paused it 3 times. It’s 2hra long, if I’m lucky we’ll finish it before the Chelsea game kicks off.

 

[SlotBadger]

Watching it now with a coffee.

Final thoughts?

 

[popstar7]

 

[Gassin's finest]

Final thoughts?

Trying to write it eloquently, but there's a lot to unpack. So I'll resort to bullet points:

• The production and camera work is sumptuous. All that vibrant slow motion. The beautiful game indeed.
• The music is atrocious.
• Footballers were a lot rangier and skinnier back then, before the sports science and uber fitness took hold of the game.
• I still can't really watch that quarter final, even now. Yes the second goal is unbelievable. But like that night in Madrid last year, I just can't watch it without wincing.

I actually have 2 things from that World Cup that should have informed a bitterness to Maradona. I was 7 in 1986, and it was my first World Cup. I was allowed to watch the England games with my Dad, and he recorded the highlights for me (on a programmable VHS, can you imagine?) which I'd watch before school. I thought Maradona was amazing. All the lads in the playground were pretending to be him. But then he fucking punched the ball into the net and broke my heart... and like an abuser he then made you love him again with that goal.

In between that 1/4 final and the final, we moved to West Germany... my Dad was RAF and had been posted there. And they're in the WC final, so like a berk I decide to support them, hoping for vengeance against the little rascal. But again he foiled me, by this time being simply fucking excellent.

And that has got to sum up Maradona, and why he's this legend. He could break your heart and make you angry and disappointed. But you feel blessed that you got to see football like that.

 

[popstar7]

Trying to write it eloquently, but there's a lot to unpack. So I'll resort to bullet points:

• The production and camera work is sumptuous. All that vibrant slow motion. The beautiful game indeed.
• The music is atrocious.
• Footballers were a lot rangier and skinnier back then, before the sports science and uber fitness took hold of the game.
• I still can't really watch that quarter final, even now. Yes the second goal is unbelievable. But like that night in Madrid last year, I just can't watch it without wincing.

I actually have 2 things from that World Cup that should have informed a bitterness to Maradona. I was 7 in 1986, and it was my first World Cup. I was allowed to watch the England games with my Dad, and he recorded the highlights for me (on a programmable VHS, can you imagine?) which I'd watch before school. I thought Maradona was amazing. All the lads in the playground were pretending to be him. But then he fucking punched the ball into the net and broke my heart... and like an abuser he then made you love him again with that goal.

In between that 1/4 final and the final, we moved to West Germany... my Dad was RAF and had been posted there. And they're in the WC final, so like a berk I decide to support them, hoping for vengeance against the little rascal. But again he foiled me, by this time being simply fucking excellent.

And that has got to sum up Maradona, and why he's this legend. He could break your heart and make you angry and disappointed. But you feel blessed that you got to see football like that.

Fenwick recounted his memory from facing Maradona, revealing he attempted to impose himself on the former attacking midfielder only to find he was not someone who was easily intimidated.

Fenwick added: “I belted him two or three times. I thought ‘that’s him done’. He was off the pitch for four and a half minutes after I whacked him once.

“And when I turned round and he was warming up to come back on, I was thinking ‘what the hell have I got to do to stop this man?’. He was built like you wouldn’t believe. He was a pit bull and he came back for more all the time.

“The ball was stuck to that left foot, you couldn’t get it off him. I tried to intimidate him but he was always there, ready for more. I didn’t say two words to him but he was chatting to me from start to finish.

“That was the confidence of the man. He knew he was better than the rest. What a player.”

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/te...408000?amp_js_v=0.1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA==

 

[popstar7]

Got to admire the complete lack of self-awareness of a guy saying 'He was off the pitch for four and a half minutes after I whacked him once.' and then being bitter for twenty years about Maradona cheating.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Got to admire the complete lack of self-awareness of a guy saying 'He was off the pitch for four and a half minutes after I whacked him once.' and then being bitter for twenty years about Maradona cheating.

That was just the game back then. Don't think Argentina didn't give just as good as they got. I refer back to Hoddle getting pole-axed just before Maradona's solo goal.

 

[popstar7]

That was just the game back then. Don't think Argentina didn't give just as good as they got. I refer back to Hoddle getting pole-axed just before Maradona's solo goal.

Fair enough. Fenwick was sent out to kick Maradona out of the game and did his very best to do it, by his own admission.

But Maradona's a cheat? And Fenwick isn't?

 

[Gassin's finest]

Fair enough. Fenwick was sent out to kick Maradona out of the game and did his very best to do it, by his own admission.

But Maradona's a cheat? And Fenwick isn't?

By the standards of the game back then, yeah. Look at the first round game between Denmark and Uruguay... Absolute bloody massacre. In the other 1/4 final with France and Brazil, the latter GK practically rugby tackled someone and nothing was given. Not justifying it, just that it was how the game was 35 years ago. Everyone played that way.

The 80s had the likes of Souness, Roberts, Baresi etc... hard bastards who played dirty. The tactic was an expected part of the game for 100 years. Diving, gamesmanship etc became more prevalent as a response to it, and now the game seems to have balanced out.

But yeah, no point being bitter about it anymore. Looooooong time ago.

 

['O Zio]

That was just the game back then. Don't think Argentina didn't give just as good as they got. I refer back to Hoddle getting pole-axed just before Maradona's solo goal.

it's still cheating though IMO. He's basically said "I knew this guy was their main threat so I repeatedly tried to injure him."

I appreciate that's how most defenders were back then but that doesn't mean it isn't a form of cheating. To me it's the same as e.g. South American players seeing diving etc. as just part of the game.

 

[Gassin's finest]

it's still cheating though IMO. He's basically said "I knew this guy was their main threat so I repeatedly tried to injure him."

I appreciate that's how most defenders were back then but that doesn't mean it isn't a form of cheating. To me it's the same as e.g. South American players seeing diving etc. as just part of the game.

Yeah, its the culture of the game, and how its changed. Only they call it "tactical fouling" now.

Interestingly, both of those aspects of the game come from South America. The English introduced the game in Uruguay, and they developed what was "Creole" football, playing with flair and skill... overhead kicks and the like. As it spread through Brazil etc, the football became more cynical and physical, to stop said skillful football. And from there the Argentinians introduced "Viveca Creolle" which is the craftiness and gamesmanship.

You see all of that in the modern game still, now accepted in the tactical handbook as "shithousery" I believe. Both England and Argentina, and everyone else partook of the cynical game, but Maradona introduced a splash of viceca creolle, and literally rose above it. If the ref spots it, then no harm done. He didn't however, so fair play.

For me, it adds to the legend, rather than dilutes it.

 

[michaelden]