Diving - 3 match ban??

[WalkerboyUK]

Lots of rumours floating around today that a last minute tweak to the PL rules and regulations has been made, handing out a 3 match suspension to any player found guilty of diving.
Like I say, lots of it just appears to be Twitter talk, and having used Google, I'm struggling to find anything official.

Will be interesting to see how many players from Top 4 get found guilty in comparison to those further down!

 

[Spurger King]

Something has to be done about it, but I can see a lot of problems distinguishing between dives and genuine falls.

Bale was definitely a bit of a diver at times when he was with us, but there were occasions where I think he was honestly just trying to avoid flying full speed into someone's leg, so chose to dive over it instead. No contact would be made, but the alternative could be a serious injury.

 

[Lifeson]

So what if you jump out of a nasty tackle? Often times that has resulted in a yellow for "diving". Now that's a 3 match ban?

 

[Danners9]

Good luck proving it. So many you can say are a dive, but then the player will say he was avoiding what looked like a nasty or high challenge and didn't appeal so it wasn't a dive.

There needs to be a criteria.. but can the authorities be trusted to get it right? the first one they get wrong will be a media storm. Might have to accept some broken eggs to make an omelette though. Good in the long run.

 

[ajspurs]

It's not good to see but I think 3 games is a bit excessive.

 

[talkshowhost86]

So what if you jump out of a nasty tackle? Often times that has resulted in a yellow for "diving". Now that's a 3 match ban?

There would presumably be an appeals process but it would then lead to the weird position of people potentially having yellow cards rescinded.

Also would it only be for dives seen by refs, or would someone be looking through every game looking for them?

It's something that needs dealing with. But it's hard to do.

 

[wakefieldyid]

So what if you jump out of a nasty tackle? Often times that has resulted in a yellow for "diving". Now that's a 3 match ban?

... but when was the last time any player went to the referee to explain that he went down to avoiding a potential injury, and that the tackler was not at fault? A bit more honesty from the players would go a long way to getting the referees back on board. (What makes it worse is the pundits claiming that any contact entitles the tackled player to go down.)

 

[nightgoat]

UEFA started doing this with Eduardo then Arsenal complained despite it being a blatantly obvious dive and UEFA's balls shrank to practically non-existence.

 

[DanielCHillier]

Seems a bit of an over reaction, assuming that this will down to the equivalent of the dubious goals panel to decide after the match.

 

[WalkerboyUK]

There would presumably be an appeals process but it would then lead to the weird position of people potentially having yellow cards rescinded.

Also would it only be for dives seen by refs, or would someone be looking through every game looking for them?

It's something that needs dealing with. But it's hard to do.

I presume it would be the really blatant ones, so players like Ashley Young can expect to spend half a season suspended.
I think the ones where it's 50/50 over contact/intent/avoid injury will be left untouched.
Like I said though, all seems to be "talk" at the moment rather than hard evidence it's being introduced.

 

[ShayLaB]

Good,.

Hope this happens.

Far too often it is embaressing watching a match with my son

 

[theShiznit]

I presume it would be the really blatant ones, so players like Ashley Young can expect to spend half a season suspended.
I think the ones where it's 50/50 over contact/intent/avoid injury will be left untouched.
Like I said though, all seems to be "talk" at the moment rather than hard evidence it's being introduced.

What about the ones where there is forced contact from the diver (Ashley Young's favourites) where they move their leg unnaturally across to hit the defender before doing a forward summersault with pike.

 

[Shadydan]

Opening a can of worms with this

 

[WalkerboyUK]

What about the ones where there is forced contact from the diver (Ashley Young's favourites) where they move their leg unnaturally across to hit the defender before doing a forward summersault with pike.

You'd like to think it would be classed as "cheating" so any ban would stand.
However, that would only apply when Lamela does it, not when Cazorla, Young, Sterling or Hazard do it.

 

[fridgemagnet]

I've said it before all they need to do if they want to push a certain rule through is be clear before the season starts what the punishment will be and be strict with it.

Want to stop players diving/crowding and back chatting refs, before first week of season say the punishment is straight red and 3 game ban for ref abuse/crowding show straight red for first offence, if they do that for all the opening fixtures you'll see it pretty much vanish from the game.

Diving i'd a give a yellow for a suspect dive and will be reviewed by a panel of 3 impartial members should you ref uphold his opinion and under review if player makes a crap case for being a diving raging Nancy then you change the yellow for a red and a 3 game ban

 

[aliyid]

Before everyone gets too excited I'm pretty sure this is only for simulation that results in a red card for the opponent...

A lot of grey areas but "may" stop people diving to get GK sent off in pen area

 

[hellava_tough]

 

[yankspurs]

Definitely only going to be for dives that result in red cards which they rarely do unless they are 2nd yellows. I think a 3 match ban for diving might be a bit to excessive for the "1st offense."

My proposal (which effects the entire football pyramid): *ALL dives = a yellow card.
I'd go with a tiered punisment system, so to speak

1st dive resulting in 2nd yellow - 1 match ban
2nd offense - 2 match ban
3rd - 3 match ban + fine of 1 weeks wages
4th - 5 match ban + fine of 2 weeks wages
5th offense - Season/rest of season ban. But the player still must train. If they play friendly's or youth matches, that is fine. But any dive in those friendlys? 1 match ban per dive added on to next season. FIne of 1 months wages

These do not reset after the season, besides for the first offense. 2nd offenses on do not reset.

All diving yellows count toward regular accumulation even with these punishments, and also count with the following new diving accumulation rules:
3 diving yellows - 1 match ban
5 diving yellows - 2 match ban + 1 weeks fine. If all 5 yellows on the regular accumulation are dives? 3 match ban + 1 weeks fine

These new accumulation rules do also count with the regular accumulation rules with an added caveat that the bans do not go to 10 yellows after mid season. So they never reset until after the season.

2 diving yellows in 1 game - 2 match ban + 2nd yellow rule added on. So a total of 3 to 7 match ban.

Everything is up to the referee's discretion, so of course an appelate panel will have to be used. But the referee should be educated every week and tested every month on what constitutes a dive and what does not. If a referee misses 5 blatant dives in a season? In charge of games on the level below for at least 2 weeks or until he/she demonstrates they can spot the dives adaquately in training AND in the video performance review room.

Is my proposal too harsh? Probably, but quite frankly, I dont give a shit. Diving goes against the integrity of the game. It should be rooted out of the game forever.

 

[chinaman]

Another rule to cause controversies and benefit clubs like Chelscum and Manure. Their players never dive and are always awarded penalties when they go down in their opponents' penalty box, whereas our players will reap suspensions when they fall.

 

[WalkerboyUK]

Confirmed that there is the option of retrospective action against any player that feigns injury or contact that results in opponent being sent off.