ENIC...

[SecretLemonadeDrinker]

My surname is Levy too... Let that one sink in for a sec

You’re not a bastard?

 

[BringBack_leGin]

My surname is Levy too... Let that one sink in for a sec

That’s why you’re going rogue. You’re not a bastard, you’re his actual son. You’re trying to destroy us bastards out of jealousy of our illegitimacy!

 

[Shadydan]

Does it burn you when pappy is criticised or something?

There hasn't been a post in this thread for several days before we signed anyone and not one criticising him for longer than that but less than 24 hours after we do you're in here shovelling that shit?

haha, quality.

Relax, you lot can have your time when we fail to sign Cavani as Kane backup on the last day of the TW.

 

[dudu]

That’s why you’re going rogue. You’re not a bastard, you’re his actual son. You’re trying to destroy us bastards out of jealousy of our illegitimacy!

Keep up the good work. Father won't forget your support.

 

[rossdapep]

The true judgement of Levy backing Jose will come at the end of the window not after a signing that ultimately was not the most problematic and one which we had a sweetener to throw in.

Last summer when we got Ndombele my optimism grew and I believed that Levy was finally going all in to get each player before preseason. I guess reaching the CL final, gaining record profits combined with the stadium's forecasted profits clouded my judgement and he was still going to wrangle for the best deal despite always suffering because players need time to bed in.

This summer I don't expect any different, we'll still have deals to do after the season has started which could cost us points. The problem with ENIC is that we never have a fully satisfactory window, there's always a gaping hole that isn't resolved.

The past two years it's been the DM role as well as an additional striker for Kane. Before that it was a Dembele replacement. Last year it was Eriksens replacement. We just never seem to have an all round window where you can say we've covered all bases.

When Liverpool signed Robertson, VVD, Allison and Fabinho they effectively filled every question mark in their squad, they then bought Shaqiri for back up - although didn't really need to rely on him.

We don't ever seem to do that and that's why I won't get carried away on the back of one signing.

 

[Steffen]

The true judgement of Levy backing Jose will come at the end of the window not after a signing that ultimately was not the most problematic and one which we had a sweetener to throw in.

Last summer when we got Ndombele my optimism grew and I believed that Levy was finally going all in to get each player before preseason. I guess reaching the CL final, gaining record profits combined with the stadium's forecasted profits clouded my judgement and he was still going to wrangle for the best deal despite always suffering because players need time to bed in.

This summer I don't expect any different, we'll still have deals to do after the season has started which could cost us points. The problem with ENIC is that we never have a fully satisfactory window, there's always a gaping hole that isn't resolved.

The past two years it's been the DM role as well as an additional striker for Kane. Before that it was a Dembele replacement. Last year it was Eriksens replacement. We just never seem to have an all round window where you can say we've covered all bases.

When Liverpool signed Robertson, VVD, Allison and Fabinho they effectively filled every question mark in their squad, they then bought Shaqiri for back up - although didn't really need to rely on him.

We don't ever seem to do that and that's why I won't get carried away on the back of one signing.

Sess was injured and Lo Celso was om holiday following Copa America if I remember correctly, so we wouldn’t have them available for preseason anyway, so that’s not criticism I agree with.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

The true judgement of Levy backing Jose will come at the end of the window not after a signing that ultimately was not the most problematic and one which we had a sweetener to throw in.

Last summer when we got Ndombele my optimism grew and I believed that Levy was finally going all in to get each player before preseason. I guess reaching the CL final, gaining record profits combined with the stadium's forecasted profits clouded my judgement and he was still going to wrangle for the best deal despite always suffering because players need time to bed in.

This summer I don't expect any different, we'll still have deals to do after the season has started which could cost us points. The problem with ENIC is that we never have a fully satisfactory window, there's always a gaping hole that isn't resolved.

The past two years it's been the DM role as well as an additional striker for Kane. Before that it was a Dembele replacement. Last year it was Eriksens replacement. We just never seem to have an all round window where you can say we've covered all bases.

When Liverpool signed Robertson, VVD, Allison and Fabinho they effectively filled every question mark in their squad, they then bought Shaqiri for back up - although didn't really need to rely on him.

We don't ever seem to do that and that's why I won't get carried away on the back of one signing.

TBH I think any judgement really ought to wait until some sort of normality returns to football and transfer windows.

We also don't know to what extent the effect of the Covid situation will have on it all either. It may well mean that generally, deals do get done a little earlier given that the new season isn't that far away.

Also, it's one transfer. I feel really bad that I didn't come in here to congratulate the oompah loompah for doing one deal early. And TBH I wouldn't be surprised if we do another couple quickly too but that doesn't mean Levy isn't Levy. Not yet.

But yeah, we done one deal early. Well done Levy. Proud of you and your lofty magnificence.
*whoop! Does cartwheels and pogoes around the room.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Hmm history doesn't teach some, does it?

I'm warm enough at the moment, I can do without being burnt again

 

[wrd]

I think that this summer has the potential to the window where we somewhat recover from the 2018 window. We've been suffering the ramifications of that window ever since.

I do think Levy has done a great job on this transfer, It was the managers target, it was done early and he managed to get the fee down. No matter what way you shake it he's done a good job on this deal. I also think Jose deserves some of the credit because it appears that he's been handed some parameters with which he has to work within during this summer and he's done so diligently making it a lot easier for Levy to get things done.

I also think that Levy has improved to an extent in the recent windows. Ndombele was in for pre-season. Lo Celso probably should have been done earlier, he had an international tournament but he probably could have been done a couple of weeks sooner which might have improved how things went for him early on, might have avoided that international injury. Sessegnon was injured already so last day was fine.

Then Gedson and Bergwijn both in during the January window which was more good business and now another early deal.

The business last season didn't fully recover us from the squad hangover we were suffering but it was a start and it looks like with Jose and his pragmatism with transfers we could well come out of this summer feeling suitably refreshed squad wise. I think there's evidence over the past 2 window to support the idea that Levy is trying to right some wrongs and I think he's going to do a good job overall this summer.

 

[danielneeds]

I think that this summer has the potential to the window where we somewhat recover from the 2018 window. We've been suffering the ramifications of that window ever since.

I do think Levy has done a great job on this transfer, It was the managers target, it was done early and he managed to get the fee down. No matter what way you shake it he's done a good job on this deal. I also think Jose deserves some of the credit because it appears that he's been handed some parameters with which he has to work within during this summer and he's done so diligently making it a lot easier for Levy to get things done.

I also think that Levy has improved to an extent in the recent windows. Ndombele was in for pre-season. Lo Celso probably should have been done earlier, he had an international tournament but he probably could have been done a couple of weeks sooner which might have improved how things went for him early on, might have avoided that international injury. Sessegnon was injured already so last day was fine.

Then Gedson and Bergwijn both in during the January window which was more good business and now another early deal.

The business last season didn't fully recover us from the squad hangover we were suffering but it was a start and it looks like with Jose and his pragmatism with transfers we could well come out of this summer feeling suitably refreshed squad wise. I think there's evidence over the past 2 window to support the idea that Levy is trying to right some wrongs and I think he's going to do a good job overall this summer.

Yeah, it’s good that we’ve done Hojbjerg early, but let’s wait and see what Levy does next. The squad still needs work and training starts next week for a shortened preseason.

What Levy would usually do now is operate a one in, one out policy which will drag all the way to the transfer deadline, bringing uncertainty to the squad and making the manager’s planning difficult. What clubs who want to win something do is get their key targets in, and rebalance the squad by shifting out the dross.

 

[rossdapep]

Sess was injured and Lo Celso was om holiday following Copa America if I remember correctly, so we wouldn’t have them available for preseason anyway, so that’s not criticism I agree with.

Whilst that's very true, it's also not an excuse to be going into the new season with only one confirmed new signing joining the squad. Not too mention the only new player in 18 months.

We still had the following issues;
- Eriksen - we knew he was going and should have had an additional player to take his place.
- Wanyama - we knew he was injured and was not the same player, and despite Dier suffering from illness we did nothing to correct this.
- Llorente - our only back up striker left and we didn't replace. Lo and behold Kane gets a long term injury once again....Not like we weren't warned 6 months prior was it?
- RB - Aurier almost left last summer and to be frank if he wanted out he should have gone. We sold Trippier too. Yet we were planning on going into the season with only Foyth as RB, who then got injured in preseason....so we had to play Sanchez at RB.

Great planning once again.

No one should have been happy with last summer's window as we had so many issues and squad gaps still to fix.

 

[wrd]

Yeah, it’s good that we’ve done Hojbjerg early, but let’s wait and see what Levy does next. The squad still needs work and training starts next week for a shortened preseason.

What Levy would usually do now is operate a one in, one out policy which will drag all the way to the transfer deadline, bringing uncertainty to the squad and making the manager’s planning difficult. What clubs who want to win something do is get their key targets in, and rebalance the squad by shifting out the dross.

I completely agree and I think you can tell by my post I'm certainly not one of those people who's partisan and trying to gloat simply because he got one right. I'm just looking at the recent deals and taking the information from ITK regarding how Jose is operating and I'm feeling hopeful that Levy will have a good overall summer but I'm certainly with you in the "let's wait and see" camp and I believe when Hercules was giving very positive ITK throughout one of the days last week that I posted "Let's keep our feet on the ground until something actually happens".

I think our squad is in a decent situation regarding the 1 in 1 out possibly because we let Wanyama go in the winter and we've replaced with Hojbjerg. We have now let KWP go so we now need to bring a RB in and we have lost Vertonghen so we need to bring a CB in. So as far as his in/out policy goes. We need 2 ins already.

 

[longtimespur]

I might be wrong, yes I'm a Levy fan because of all the good things he's done for my club, but the problem with signing players now seems to be quotas. In that we have a nearly full quota of foreign players and thus need 1 in1 out to manage them.
I'm a fan because our club is now getting back to where we were in the 50/60's. He has propelled us back up to those heights and once things settle down financially after covid I think we will see more money available for transfers and wages. Yes he'll still make transfers longer than necessary as that is business.
He is a business man and as such will always try to get the best deal he can, whether incoming or outgoing, but neither will sign a new player if he has to pay a players wage because he's surplus to requirements.
Just my thoughts on things as they appear to be. Neg as much as you like.

 

[spursfan77]

TBH I think any judgement really ought to wait until some sort of normality returns to football and transfer windows.

We also don't know to what extent the effect of the Covid situation will have on it all either. It may well mean that generally, deals do get done a little earlier given that the new season isn't that far away.

Also, it's one transfer. I feel really bad that I didn't come in here to congratulate the oompah loompah for doing one deal early. And TBH I wouldn't be surprised if we do another couple quickly too but that doesn't mean Levy isn't Levy. Not yet.

But yeah, we done one deal early. Well done Levy. Proud of you and your lofty magnificence.
*whoop! Does cartwheels and pogoes around the room.

But there is always an excuse. COVID is a valid one obviously. My money is on the excuse being we've too many foreign players in the squad and not enough him grown lads. That one hasn't been used yet so is ripe for an excuse.

 

[longtimespur]

But there is always an excuse. COVID is a valid one obviously. My money is on the excuse being we've too many foreign players in the squad and not enough him grown lads. That one hasn't been used yet so is ripe for an excuse.

LOL did you just read my post before writing that

 

[jurgen]

The true judgement of Levy backing Jose will come at the end of the window not after a signing that ultimately was not the most problematic and one which we had a sweetener to throw in.

Last summer when we got Ndombele my optimism grew and I believed that Levy was finally going all in to get each player before preseason. I guess reaching the CL final, gaining record profits combined with the stadium's forecasted profits clouded my judgement and he was still going to wrangle for the best deal despite always suffering because players need time to bed in.

This summer I don't expect any different, we'll still have deals to do after the season has started which could cost us points. The problem with ENIC is that we never have a fully satisfactory window, there's always a gaping hole that isn't resolved.

The past two years it's been the DM role as well as an additional striker for Kane. Before that it was a Dembele replacement. Last year it was Eriksens replacement. We just never seem to have an all round window where you can say we've covered all bases.

When Liverpool signed Robertson, VVD, Allison and Fabinho they effectively filled every question mark in their squad, they then bought Shaqiri for back up - although didn't really need to rely on him.

We don't ever seem to do that and that's why I won't get carried away on the back of one signing.

Exactly. All credit to him for sorting what appears to be an astute buy. DM on an expiring contract with one of our players chucked in the other way, that's exactly his type of deal and they've done alright for us in the past.

Now onto the other gaping holes please. As always the proof will be in getting the deals that aren't so easy done. After hearing about our foreign quote for a decade you'd think someone would have a grasp on that - but it should make narrowing down our targets easier and there are good young obtainable English players out there. So...

 

[spursfan77]

LOL did you just read my post before writing that

No ?

Its true though isn’t it. Always an excuse and it will be the foriegn player one this time despite it being reasonably straight forward to remedy.

 

[T-Bone]

The only thing i would like Levy / Enic to do is bring in a partner to help finance us, if we want to really push on and be one of the super clubs they just dont have deep enough pockets on there own to get us there. This transfer window with all the clubs in difficulty financially over covid would be a great chance to push on if we had more financial power behind us. I know what i am saying is easier said than done but its something I would like to see happen.

 

[spursfan77]

The only thing i would like Levy / Enic to do is bring in a partner to help finance us, if we want to really push on and be one of the super clubs they just dont have deep enough pockets on there own to get us there. This transfer window with all the clubs in difficulty financially over covid would be a great chance to push on if we had more financial power behind us. I know what i am saying is easier said than done but its something I would like to see happen.

Theyve definitely looked at outside investment (taking a % like silverlake did of Man City for some cash) but even at a small % amount I just see levy as too much of a control freak to give that up despite the obvious benefits

 

[davidmatzdorf]

The only thing i would like Levy / Enic to do is bring in a partner to help finance us, if we want to really push on and be one of the super clubs they just dont have deep enough pockets on there own to get us there. This transfer window with all the clubs in difficulty financially over covid would be a great chance to push on if we had more financial power behind us. I know what i am saying is easier said than done but its something I would like to see happen.

It's not so much that I disagree with your post, more that it does not reflect the reality of the club's ownership and how THFC is presently funded.

Now that the stadium is finished, there, there is nothing that could benefit THFC or ENIC, in financial terms, by bringing in an equity partner.

If ENIC wanted to bankroll THFC in the CFC/MCFC manner, they have ample funds to do it themselves, so an equity partner would be irrelevant. But ENIC's business model makes either of those approaches undesirable. Their objective is long-term growth in the value of the THFC asset and "brand" that they own. They cannot increase the value of the club by making unsustainable gifts to improve the club's footballing squad and they cannot increase their own asset value by reducing their ownership stake.