ShelfWatcher
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No, one Lge title 1951, we won second division in 1950, great team but not a major trophy
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Karol
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We were football league champions in season 50/51
We have won 2 league titles
Your post I quoted stated we had won one league title between 1941 - 1960
ShelfWatcher
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We did, the other Lge title was in 1961
BringBack_leGin
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It’s all going a bit Pete Tong really.
Funny thing is, I look at the squad and I think should be good. Not great, but good. I see 2 players for each position apart from a Kane backup, I see a good blend of youth and experience, I see fast players, strong players, players who are comfortable in the ball. If this were a football manager save I’m really not sure there’s many holes to pick in it.
Reality is that a few too many signings have gone wrong. You can blame the board for not having a good enough player identification structure or managers for not getting the best out of those players, but ultimately too many extensively acquired players are underperforming. When you’ve got Lo Celso, Ndombele, Reguilón, Sanchez (at least until very recently), Bergwijn and Lucas all flattering to deceive more often than not, all players who should be coming into their primes (or already there), and you look at the the £200m+ spent on those players (and that’s being conservative) it just stinks how much has been got wrong.
The hope is that a manager can succeed where others have failed, and there might be green shoots with a couple of these players, but there’s a very real danger that we’re going to end up with a collection of players with unfulfilled potential on high salaries that we struggle to shift.
Whether in appointing the wrong managers or I’m being unable to attract the right players, Enic have really left the playing side in there mire and almost definitely underestimated City’s resolve in not stumping up for Kane, which sadly was probably the get out of jail free card we needed.
I don’t blame the board for standing form given what is reported City offered but I do wish there was an element of strategic thinking at any point in putting together the combined playing and management staff over the past 5 years so that we could have an environment that saw everyone swimming in the same direction.
Funny thing is, I look at the squad and I think should be good. Not great, but good. I see 2 players for each position apart from a Kane backup, I see a good blend of youth and experience, I see fast players, strong players, players who are comfortable in the ball. If this were a football manager save I’m really not sure there’s many holes to pick in it.
Reality is that a few too many signings have gone wrong. You can blame the board for not having a good enough player identification structure or managers for not getting the best out of those players, but ultimately too many extensively acquired players are underperforming. When you’ve got Lo Celso, Ndombele, Reguilón, Sanchez (at least until very recently), Bergwijn and Lucas all flattering to deceive more often than not, all players who should be coming into their primes (or already there), and you look at the the £200m+ spent on those players (and that’s being conservative) it just stinks how much has been got wrong.
The hope is that a manager can succeed where others have failed, and there might be green shoots with a couple of these players, but there’s a very real danger that we’re going to end up with a collection of players with unfulfilled potential on high salaries that we struggle to shift.
Whether in appointing the wrong managers or I’m being unable to attract the right players, Enic have really left the playing side in there mire and almost definitely underestimated City’s resolve in not stumping up for Kane, which sadly was probably the get out of jail free card we needed.
I don’t blame the board for standing form given what is reported City offered but I do wish there was an element of strategic thinking at any point in putting together the combined playing and management staff over the past 5 years so that we could have an environment that saw everyone swimming in the same direction.
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No problem ??Ooops, my bad
JUSTINSIGNAL
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As you say our best chance of success if for a perfect story to happen - good recruitment, young talents maturing, good manager etc... all come together at the same time. This will always only be fleeting success though because if we finish abover teams with unlimited funds, or who have bigger budgets than us, they will just keep spending until they eventually finish above us.
Liverpool are a good example of a model that we should follow, and that is sustainable for us. Their club is run similar to us, in that the owners don't just bank roll them, but through smart recruitment and good management they have had success. They will fall away at some point soon as their front 3 get older and they can't replace with similar quality but the overall strategy is good. They will never match the spending of Chelsea, Man City or Man Utd, which means they will fall below them for a period until they can rebuild again.
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just like when supporter opinion did zilch to stop the super league breakaway…..oh hold on…
shelfboy68
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WALOB why fucking build a state of the art stadium to compete or try to every now and then that is not what fans signed up to.
As for Liverpool they have been successful in every decade since I have been alive and win continue to do so thankfully they are nothing like us.
JUSTINSIGNAL
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Because the financial gulf between us and the 5 other top 6 clubs needs to be bridged somehow. Being a self sustaining club it is the best way to generate extra funds to allow us to compete.
Liverpool might have been successful in every decade but how much of that success has been over a sustained period since Chelsea and Man City won the lottery? Chelsea just blew 350m in the last couple seasons to get ahead of them, and Man City blew 100m on one player and attempted to sign one of the best players in the world from us to keep on top. All this when most clubs are financially fucked because of the global pandemic.
it’s difficult for any club in Europe to compete with their riches, let alone us.
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And it has become really boring because of it. If you want elite status you need either the funds of a nation, massive unlimited oil wealth or to be mortgaged to the hilt like Utd are. There is no common ground.
That gap is only going to grow continuously though even with this new shiny building. Why? Because in all his incompetence, mr expert businessman fails(or neglects) to realize one simple fact of business. You have to spend money to make money. Great, we have this new stadium. But unlike field of dreams, this is not a movie where these stars just suddenly show up to play. No. We actually have to buy talented players instead. They dont magically pop up out of thin air like Dearest Leader probably would like to think. Soon enough, the way this garbage continues to go, we’re going to be a dawdling mid table club struggling to fill up the ground. Just like Villa was for years. And when that happens, we wont be bridging any gap.
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See the Glazers
riggi
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Odd book choice ?
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Yeah, on paper our squad looks pretty decent...well, our first XI anyway.
But in reality there's a lack of balance and motivation there.
It's a shame that Poch was still a fairly inexperienced manager when he was with us, because I think a 60 year old Pochettino would have been ruthless with the squad and kept it suitably refreshed.
Not that Levy et al exactly helped him though...
I’m just as bored as everyone of the groundhog situation. But one thing I will say is people do really forget in the 5 years prior to moving a whole help of club profit went into the stadium. It must be £400m + that makes up the shortfall from loans to the £1.2bn. Unfortunately we all know now they won’t spend Like a sugar daddy even though they could. They will spend more as revenue increases. So our recruitment of players and manager will have to be top notch and we may have a chance of punching. It is what it is till they jog off with their £1.5 bn profit.
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stole this from ftl, not sure what thread it should go into.
www.telegraph.co.uk
This is a big weekend for Tottenham Hotspur and chairman Daniel Levy, whose lofty valuations of the club are set to be put to the ultimate test as the North London derby shares top billing with Anthony Joshua.
Some industry experts believe Levy is living in a fantasy land over the £3.5 billion he is said to have recently quoted at least one party that was interested in making a bid for the club.
And the £25 million-a-year naming rights deal Levy had been hoping to secure after Tottenham’s £1bn stadium was opened, late, almost two-and-a-half years ago has so far put off prospective buyers.
Joshua’s world heavyweight title fight against Oleksandr Usyk will put Spurs back on the sporting map at a time when they are very much an undercard attraction in the world of football.
Had Tottenham not fallen out of the Champions League a couple of years ago, the club would almost certainly not have been able to stage the Joshua fight on Saturday night.
Not for the first time during Levy’s stewardship, Spurs fans could question where the club’s priorities lie during a weekend in which three points against Arsenal may not be the be-all and end-all.
Even though Tottenham’s retractable football pitch will be safely stored under the South Stand and will be looked after by robotic mowers and artificial lighting while Joshua goes toe-to-toe with Usyk, there is still a risk that the surface may not be perfect by the time Sloveian club NS Mura visit in the Europa Conference League next Thursday night.
It does not take an economist to calculate that, given the pulling power of NS Mura and Europe’s third-ranked competition, staging the Joshua fight so close to the tie was a gamble worth taking.
Aston Villa will be the next visitors just three days later, next Sunday, but Tottenham made it clear when announcing the Joshua fight in July that this is very much the future.
In a statement, Spurs boasted: “Tottenham Hotspur Stadium is not only the largest football club stadium in London, it is a multi-purpose venue, capable of hosting a range of events, 365 days a year - helping pump circa £300m into the local economy each year. Our stadium will host two back-to-back NFL London Games in October this year, with rugby and concerts scheduled for 2022, alongside Tottenham Hotspur football matches.”
Tottenham have so far used international breaks and the summer to schedule NFL and music concerts, all of which had to be cancelled or rescheduled during the coronavirus lockdown, but more events could be sandwiched into the Premier League fixture list if the Joshua fight passes without problems.
While three points and North London bragging rights are on offer at the Emirates, untold future riches could be at stake if Tottenham can help put on a show for a huge worldwide boxing audience on Saturday night and roll back out a pristine football surface in time for Thursday night.
That may not fill Spurs supporters with excitement, who want the football to be the box office attraction. But it may well represent the club’s best hope of trying to keep up financially with their rivals and encourage somebody wealthy enough to get close to meeting Levy’s valuations.
During the coronavirus shutdown, when supporters were not allowed inside stadiums, the idea of asking Tottenham’s billionaire owner Joe Lewis to invest some of his personal fortune to help balance the books is said to have been briefly considered.
But, unlike Roman Abramovich at Chelsea and Sheikh Mansour at Manchester City, Lewis is not prepared to bankroll Spurs and his self-sufficient business plan relies on investment from banks, supporters, sponsors and growing the club globally.
That is why the Amazon Prime cameras were allowed in to capture the final days of Mauricio Pochettino and why the appointment of Jose Mourinho, the most famous football manager on the planet, as his successor, together with the return of Gareth Bale on loan for a season, represented value off the pitch that perhaps outstripped their value on it.
The latest head coach, Nuno Espirito Santo, does not have the same pull, which was why it was so vital to secure South Korean superstar Heung-min Son to a new contract and hold on to England captain Harry Kane - for so long now the face of Spurs.
Just as his valuations of the club and the naming rights for the stadium have been questioned, Levy has faced scrutiny over his decision to turn down an offer worth £100m for Kane, who had made it clear he wanted to join Manchester City.
But if Kane can get off the mark in the Premier League to secure a victory over Arsenal, so soon after the Joshua fight, then Levy may well feel empowered in his belief that he can still demand top dollar for Tottenham and everything that goes with it.
Daniel Levy's £3.5bn valuation of Tottenham hinges on far more than north London derby bragging rights
Plus: Spurs boss Nuno Espirito Santo risks angering dementia campaigners by admitting he has ignored guidance on heading limits in training
www.telegraph.co.uk
This is a big weekend for Tottenham Hotspur and chairman Daniel Levy, whose lofty valuations of the club are set to be put to the ultimate test as the North London derby shares top billing with Anthony Joshua.
Some industry experts believe Levy is living in a fantasy land over the £3.5 billion he is said to have recently quoted at least one party that was interested in making a bid for the club.
And the £25 million-a-year naming rights deal Levy had been hoping to secure after Tottenham’s £1bn stadium was opened, late, almost two-and-a-half years ago has so far put off prospective buyers.
Joshua’s world heavyweight title fight against Oleksandr Usyk will put Spurs back on the sporting map at a time when they are very much an undercard attraction in the world of football.
Had Tottenham not fallen out of the Champions League a couple of years ago, the club would almost certainly not have been able to stage the Joshua fight on Saturday night.
Not for the first time during Levy’s stewardship, Spurs fans could question where the club’s priorities lie during a weekend in which three points against Arsenal may not be the be-all and end-all.
Even though Tottenham’s retractable football pitch will be safely stored under the South Stand and will be looked after by robotic mowers and artificial lighting while Joshua goes toe-to-toe with Usyk, there is still a risk that the surface may not be perfect by the time Sloveian club NS Mura visit in the Europa Conference League next Thursday night.
It does not take an economist to calculate that, given the pulling power of NS Mura and Europe’s third-ranked competition, staging the Joshua fight so close to the tie was a gamble worth taking.
Aston Villa will be the next visitors just three days later, next Sunday, but Tottenham made it clear when announcing the Joshua fight in July that this is very much the future.
In a statement, Spurs boasted: “Tottenham Hotspur Stadium is not only the largest football club stadium in London, it is a multi-purpose venue, capable of hosting a range of events, 365 days a year - helping pump circa £300m into the local economy each year. Our stadium will host two back-to-back NFL London Games in October this year, with rugby and concerts scheduled for 2022, alongside Tottenham Hotspur football matches.”
Tottenham have so far used international breaks and the summer to schedule NFL and music concerts, all of which had to be cancelled or rescheduled during the coronavirus lockdown, but more events could be sandwiched into the Premier League fixture list if the Joshua fight passes without problems.
While three points and North London bragging rights are on offer at the Emirates, untold future riches could be at stake if Tottenham can help put on a show for a huge worldwide boxing audience on Saturday night and roll back out a pristine football surface in time for Thursday night.
That may not fill Spurs supporters with excitement, who want the football to be the box office attraction. But it may well represent the club’s best hope of trying to keep up financially with their rivals and encourage somebody wealthy enough to get close to meeting Levy’s valuations.
During the coronavirus shutdown, when supporters were not allowed inside stadiums, the idea of asking Tottenham’s billionaire owner Joe Lewis to invest some of his personal fortune to help balance the books is said to have been briefly considered.
But, unlike Roman Abramovich at Chelsea and Sheikh Mansour at Manchester City, Lewis is not prepared to bankroll Spurs and his self-sufficient business plan relies on investment from banks, supporters, sponsors and growing the club globally.
That is why the Amazon Prime cameras were allowed in to capture the final days of Mauricio Pochettino and why the appointment of Jose Mourinho, the most famous football manager on the planet, as his successor, together with the return of Gareth Bale on loan for a season, represented value off the pitch that perhaps outstripped their value on it.
The latest head coach, Nuno Espirito Santo, does not have the same pull, which was why it was so vital to secure South Korean superstar Heung-min Son to a new contract and hold on to England captain Harry Kane - for so long now the face of Spurs.
Just as his valuations of the club and the naming rights for the stadium have been questioned, Levy has faced scrutiny over his decision to turn down an offer worth £100m for Kane, who had made it clear he wanted to join Manchester City.
But if Kane can get off the mark in the Premier League to secure a victory over Arsenal, so soon after the Joshua fight, then Levy may well feel empowered in his belief that he can still demand top dollar for Tottenham and everything that goes with it.
If this article has the correct information and he really wants 3.5 billion , when United are valued at just over 3 billion, then its obvious he has no intention of selling. We must therefore accept that the self financing model will continue ad infinitum. We will be unable to compete with the top four financially for probably another three or four seasons when the increased revenue streams from the stadium will start to mean something after repaying the losses due to Covid.
That presumes that the stadium will be sold out for all the league games .and there's the rub, lack of team investment will inevitably lead to mediocre teams which will lead to smaller crowds, and lower tv revenue. So unless we discover a real golden generation of young players our chances of winning anything in the foreseeable future are remote. But at least we wont go bust.
That presumes that the stadium will be sold out for all the league games .and there's the rub, lack of team investment will inevitably lead to mediocre teams which will lead to smaller crowds, and lower tv revenue. So unless we discover a real golden generation of young players our chances of winning anything in the foreseeable future are remote. But at least we wont go bust.
I think we will stay up this season. But when we lose on Sunday I'm hoping fans start realising what Levy really stands for. Nfl, boxing and entertainment events. And money for Enic.
The smart chairman would have got a decent manager in and given him the Kane funds plus 50m to rebuild. Plus 250m from naming rights. A proper rebuild that could match the slave states and the oligarch teams. All with real money we own. Especially in a close season where Europe was wide open for business.
But we haven't got a smart chairman.
Nepotism never works.
The smart chairman would have got a decent manager in and given him the Kane funds plus 50m to rebuild. Plus 250m from naming rights. A proper rebuild that could match the slave states and the oligarch teams. All with real money we own. Especially in a close season where Europe was wide open for business.
But we haven't got a smart chairman.
Nepotism never works.
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