ENIC...

[Nebby]

Not investing in players guarantees what we are seeing now.

We have invested. Turns out we largely purchased crap. Blame the scouts, not the board.

 

[SpursSince1980]

I think there is a reason Jose keeps harping on about the summer. Yes, he obviously wants a full preseason with his team. But I also think he knows we are going to back him, and hopefully bring in three or four key signings, prior to the start of the season. He may be aware of the budget evolving over the summer, due to changes behind the scenes. Regardless, like most of us, he seems desperate for this fuck knuckle of a season to come to an end. I guess the biggest priority now, is not getting our asses relegated!!!

 

[RichieS]

We have invested. Turns out we largely purchased crap. Blame the scouts, not the board.

Say what?!

 

[Nebby]

Say what?!

Sanchez, Sissoko, Ndombele, Bergwijn, Moura, Soldado, Lamela, Sessegnon and Aurier. Each cost more to sign than Son (£22m). Our ability to scout and identify quality / value needs looking at. We were good at this for a while. Dier, Dele, Toby, Jan, Eriksen, Lloris, Dembele (the most expensive at £15m). There were a lot of misses, but the outlay was much lower. Now we spend more on fees but the quality isn’t there.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Not buying a single player for 3 consecutive windows was negligent

Not buying a replacement for Llorente was negligent

Not buying a striker when Kane got injured was negligent

Taking their eye off the ball in regards to contracts whilst we were concentrating on building our shiny new stadium was negligent

Once again failed to back their manager

Absolute fucking clusterfuck.

 

[riggi]

Indeed Paul..

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Indeed Paul..

Might not cost more but it won’t cost any less

Levy just didn’t see it. Didn’t agree or trust Poch. Had to get pretty much the best manager in the business in to confirm what he previous manager was saying all along

Levy has royally fucked us again!

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Haha

People are arguing so many different angles now. Once upon a time it was wages and fees now it's contract management and scouting ...

It'll be ticket prices to boxing matches, concerts and the NFL next - maybe the merch prices and the cost a beer or two ...

That Cheese room really fucked some up.

 

[Shadydan]

Sanchez, Sissoko, Ndombele, Bergwijn, Moura, Soldado, Lamela, Sessegnon and Aurier. Each cost more to sign than Son (£22m). Our ability to scout and identify quality / value needs looking at. We were good at this for a while. Dier, Dele, Toby, Jan, Eriksen, Lloris, Dembele (the most expensive at £15m). There were a lot of misses, but the outlay was much lower. Now we spend more on fees but the quality isn’t there.

Notice how you've listed these players but they were purchased in two different periods respectively (2012-2015) and (2016-2020), that just tells me transfer fees are increasing across the board. Tell me some other Premier League teams who have unearthed gems for little cost over the last few years in the latter period?

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

I know it's a little different in Germany as I believe that with a few exceptions that clubs are 51% owned by their fans but do the fans of Borussia Dortmund constantly criticise the transfer policy of Dortmund for not spending enough money in the transfer market .

In the last 10 years according to transfermarket.com , Dortmund have not spent more than £27.45 million on any player, the most was for Hummels when he came back from Munich, yet they have uncovered some absolute gems at bargain prices.

Wonder what the reaction would be here if Levy had purchased Ousmane Dembélé for £13.5 mil. and then the next season as Dortmund did sold him for £112.5 mil. , would Levy be praised or slaughtered for no ambition.

 

[coys200]

If I said to anyone a team got top 4 for 4 seasons then got to a CL final and the next season spent £175m. You would never dream they’d be in this mess. We bought In 6 players and only 1 has had any sort of impact on our season in Lo Celso and that wasn’t till halfway through and in fact for however good he looks he still doesn’t have a single goal or assist in the PL. I like all our signings but we probably won’t see the benefit of them till next year. Ndombele is the one that’s really screwed us we needed him to be an instant impact and he simply hasn’t. So you can’t really blame ENIC intent it’s just hasn’t worked out. £100m on Ndombele Sessegnon Clarke for zero impact.

 

[daryl hannah]

Notice how you've listed these players but they were purchased in two different periods respectively (2012-2015) and (2016-2020), that just tells me transfer fees are increasing across the board. Tell me some other Premier League teams who have unearthed gems for little cost over the last few years in the latter period?

I think the relative success of Sanchez, Sissoko, Ndombele, Bergwijn, Moura, Soldado, Lamela, Sessegnon and Aurier is subjective. One or two are still proving themselves.

Janssen Nkoudou Njie Llorente Holtby Fazio Stambouli Yedlin Trippier Davies Vorm

These are the signings that I worry about the board making. As we've heard from the ITKs on here, it's not the scouts that are the problem.

 

[daryl hannah]

I know it's a little different in Germany as I believe that with a few exceptions that clubs are 51% owned by their fans but do the fans of Borussia Dortmund constantly criticise the transfer policy of Dortmund for not spending enough money in the transfer market .

In the last 10 years according to transfermarket.com , Dortmund have not spent more than £27.45 million on any player, the most was for Hummels when he came back from Munich, yet they have uncovered some absolute gems at bargain prices.

Wonder what the reaction would be here if Levy had purchased Ousmane Dembélé for £13.5 mil. and then the next season as Dortmund did sold him for £112.5 mil. , would Levy be praised or slaughtered for no ambition.

You're forgetting the premier league tax.

Also, the average Dortmund spend on players is now around £20m mark

 

[daryl hannah]

If I said to anyone a team got top 4 for 4 seasons then got to a CL final and the next season spent £175m. You would never dream they’d be in this mess. We bought In 6 players and only 1 has had any sort of impact on our season in Lo Celso and that wasn’t till halfway through and in fact for however good he looks he still doesn’t have a single goal or assist in the PL. I like all our signings but we probably won’t see the benefit of them till next year. Ndombele is the one that’s really screwed us we needed him to be an instant impact and he simply hasn’t. So you can’t really blame ENIC intent it’s just hasn’t worked out. £100m on Ndombele Sessegnon Clarke for zero impact.

Yeh - I really don't understand the Sess and Clarke purchases.

 

[Nebby]

Indeed Paul..

He makes it sound oh so simple. And Poch’s supposed comment about taking a hit on transfer fees seems incredibly naive; spoken by someone that really doesn’t understand how to keep a club afloat.

 

[vegassd]

I think in terms of the prices we're talking about relatively. Our cheapest ticket relatively speaking is among the highest if not the highest of all cheapest tickets in europe along with the more expensive season tickets.

The ticket pricing stuff is a really interesting one I think. There's definitely a financial balancing act in there relating to fan loyalty but also supply and demand. I personally don't think enough was done in terms of rewarding those ST holders who made the trek to Wembley so often, but I can also appreciate that the whole "stadium plan" is to increase revenues so we need to get that rolling.

What annoys me about this particular argument (most expensive in Europe) and about a lot of general shit we hear on the news these days actually is that it's sensationalised to try and make a point. We have bloody expensive regular tickets and season tickets no doubt, but you can still pay more to see a PL match in a different ground so really the point doesn't stand up.

Also, what's the whole "Europe" thing about? It's like saying that in the UK we have the most expensive petrol in Europe but our cars don't go any faster. It's essentially a criticism of the strength of the PL money machine and the UK economy in general.

It doesn't take a lot of Googling to find some good articles that actually investigate ticket pricing. It becomes very clear that the PL is far above the other European leagues in terms of average pricing, but the disparity between the top and bottom prices is lower. There are also some good articles which focus on ticket prices on the resale market which is a common way many of us fans would get to see a game - and Spurs do not top that list.

So whilst we can prove that "highest ticket prices in Europe" is a bullshit thing to say it's an unfortunate truth that many people (hopefully not yourself any more) will use it as a weapon.

I think if people didn't just dismiss those with gripes as entitled or anti-enic then we'd be able to have a reasonable debate. It works both ways and people should acknowledge what ENIC have done for us which is what I tried to do within my post.

Totally agree with you on this. Unfortunately these threads all too often follow a pattern where people throw a load of shit, then a few people make some reasonable points, then it all goes quiet because the shit-throwers can't get to grips with the reasoning. Then we lose a game of football and out comes the shit again!

In general that's fine. This is an Internet forum and it's a great place for people to blow off some steam - far better than putting a fist through a wall or anything like that. Unfortunately it means that when we do want to criticise ENIC for some of the crap they pull it all gets lost in amongst the clowns calling "negligence" and "no sporting ambition".

 

[daryl hannah]

The ticket pricing stuff is a really interesting one I think. There's definitely a financial balancing act in there relating to fan loyalty but also supply and demand. I personally don't think enough was done in terms of rewarding those ST holders who made the trek to Wembley so often, but I can also appreciate that the whole "stadium plan" is to increase revenues so we need to get that rolling.

What annoys me about this particular argument (most expensive in Europe) and about a lot of general shit we hear on the news these days actually is that it's sensationalised to try and make a point. We have bloody expensive regular tickets and season tickets no doubt, but you can still pay more to see a PL match in a different ground so really the point doesn't stand up.

Also, what's the whole "Europe" thing about? It's like saying that in the UK we have the most expensive petrol in Europe but our cars don't go any faster. It's essentially a criticism of the strength of the PL money machine and the UK economy in general.

It doesn't take a lot of Googling to find some good articles that actually investigate ticket pricing. It becomes very clear that the PL is far above the other European leagues in terms of average pricing, but the disparity between the top and bottom prices is lower. There are also some good articles which focus on ticket prices on the resale market which is a common way many of us fans would get to see a game - and Spurs do not top that list.

So whilst we can prove that "highest ticket prices in Europe" is a bullshit thing to say it's an unfortunate truth that many people (hopefully not yourself any more) will use it as a weapon.


Totally agree with you on this. Unfortunately these threads all too often follow a pattern where people throw a load of shit, then a few people make some reasonable points, then it all goes quiet because the shit-throwers can't get to grips with the reasoning. Then we lose a game of football and out comes the shit again!

In general that's fine. This is an Internet forum and it's a great place for people to blow off some steam - far better than putting a fist through a wall or anything like that. Unfortunately it means that when we do want to criticise ENIC for some of the crap they pull it all gets lost in amongst the clowns calling "negligence" and "no sporting ambition".

Absolute horseshit.

 

[Nebby]

I think the relative success of Sanchez, Sissoko, Ndombele, Bergwijn, Moura, Soldado, Lamela, Sessegnon and Aurier is subjective. One or two are still proving themselves.

Janssen Nkoudou Njie Llorente Holtby Fazio Stambouli Yedlin Trippier Davies Vorm

These are the signings that I worry about the board making. As we've heard from the ITKs on here, it's not the scouts that are the problem.

It‘s one thing to speculate on an unproven player that might “train on”, especially if the outlay is relatively low and you have an opportunity to recoup your losses / break even. What worries me right now is that we seem to be scouting from a pool of players that can best be described as surplus to requirements or out of favour at other clubs. Hardly a strategy for success.

 

[daryl hannah]

It‘s one thing to speculate on an unproven player that might “train on”, especially if the outlay is relatively low and you have an opportunity to recoup your losses / break even. What worries me right now is that we seem to be scouting from a pool of players that can best be described as surplus to requirements or out of favour at other clubs. Hardly a strategy for success.

I totally agree - it's the moneyball strategy

 

[Gb160]

He makes it sound oh so simple. And Poch’s supposed comment about taking a hit on transfer fees seems incredibly naive; spoken by someone that really doesn’t understand how to keep a club afloat.

He interestingly also skips past the fact that the players all downed tools in the end. Like a couple of signings would've made that problem just go away.
I like Paul Hawksbee, he's a great broadcaster and a funny guy, but he does talk some nonsense at times.