ENIC...

[jurgen]

I have to say the one concerning thing I saw in that statement was how quickly he wanted to remind everybody that we have infact spent 250 million. That isn't the first time he's been keen to rush out the figure we've spent on transfers. Which for me goes back to this idea that they think simply putting the money up is their job done in terms of how they approach the football side of things, only the final number spent matters with little care given to coherency or how a manager is meant to get that money to fit onto a team onto the pitch. It concerns me how quickly they want to shoehorn the spending figures over the last couple of years into conversation with little thought of why that hasn't translated to success. Seems to me they genuinely think on that front they've done all they can.

Of course it isn’t factually wrong but it’s also in the context of a once-in-a-lifetime windfall from our CL final run that seems highly unlikely to be repeated.. if that money hadn’t gone straight back into the team it would have been an utter disgrace

 

[SecretLemonadeDrinker]

At present they are average players and to say otherwise would be very disingenuous, not shit but on the average side of things. I think it’s time to be honest with ourselves that’s what they are they could get a bit better but I wouldn’t be willing to bet a lot of money on it. They yet another example of expensive players we have bought who have been very very average.

At present....

That was precisely my point.

 

[shelfboy68]

Of course it isn’t factually wrong but it’s also in the context of a once-in-a-lifetime windfall from our CL final run that seems highly unlikely to be repeated.. if that money hadn’t gone straight back into the team it would have been an utter disgrace

It is a once in a lifetime moment but I suppose it was good while it lasted

 

[sundanceyid10]

That was precisely my point. At present.

I don’t think we should be spending record transfer fees on players who turn out to be average. I’m not sure they will improve that much to be honest. This along with a long list of very expensive players shows how bad our analysis of who we are purchasing is. We have become a very average team.

 

[rossdapep]

Daniel Levy, in the FT back in September 2019

“We could have easily spent more money on players”

There's a context to this which is basically that he wants the club to grow 'organically', i'm working from memory here so please forgive the lack of detail but the point here is.......“We could have easily spent more money on players”

So when people put up a whole host of difficulties as to why we didn't you need to remember one thing.

It's bollocks

And it's getting repeated so often that people start to think it's true. For all his faults, Levy has never, ever, had trouble finding money when he's had to or even when he actually wants to. These supposed 'difficulties' are put there by people who just won't, for whatever fuck knows reason, have it that he's either fucked up, only interested in the bank balance or isn't treating the football or playing side of the club as a priority, i've no idea what actually drives it beyond the usual glib guesses. Too much infrastructure and not enough on the pitch. He's also admitted it to a degree with his 'we got it wrong' message the other day.

There's no excuses so stop making them, it's there, twice..........directly from the horses mouth. Well, the pit ponies at least

Look, it'll surprise you all to know i'm not Levy's biggest fan. But i've never expected him to throw absolute silly money at it but the more than occasional lack of will and the negotiating tactics, has, in my view, held us back, it reeks of a lack of ambition. And that's just two things, there's probably more but right now i'm wanting to reach the end of this so I can have my cocoa and watch some Inspector Montalbano.......

There's no guarantees, but there have been times when that extra push would have given us that extra edge that might have made a difference. We don't know for sure, but what it would definitely have done is signalled ambition and intent which would have gone a long way with people. Instead it's been allowed to stagnate and rot and people try to excuse it. No wonder we're not happy and are at each others throats.

Now he finds himself backed into a corner, you watch, how we go about it will change (possibly only until the flack dies down) the money that's been so supposedly difficult to find, will suddenly appear and we'll spend this summer.

And that's it, i'm out again, I just like to dip my toe occasionally these days, the whippersnappers can fight the fight

Thats basically the crux of my issue with him. Not showing the intent and ambition when the position requires it. Its more so that when we've been in strife, the club do all they can to spend.

This can be highlighted by the January window in 2009 when we were staring relegation as a possibility and we then went out and spent a ton on Palacios, Keane, Chimbonda and Defoe.

Which makes a mockery of the "January being histroically difficult to do deals" statement we get. Rather its difficult for those who want to get deals done without compromising on negotaitions.

If the club had have shown the same level of motivation to get deals done when we were sitting pretty, we'd possibly have kicked on.

You only need to see the difference in ITK weve had. Within the space of about 2 months weve gone from "no money to spend" to "the new coach will have money to spend". Some pressure from the fans and money suddenly appears. And whilst I appreciate that may be because of a deal for stadium rights and the likelihood fans will be back next year, surely the club believed that was going to happen eventually anyway? Its not like these aspects were never going to be seen.

 

[rossdapep]

Thats Trippier as a champion now to.

Modric, Berbatov, Walker, Carrick, Eriksen and Bale over the years.

The club have to realise how damaging this is over time as potential targets will always see us as a team who dont win and lack ambition, therefore we will have to pay salaries over the odda just to get them to listen.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Thats Trippier as a champion now to.

Modric, Berbatov, Walker, Carrick, Eriksen and Bale over the years.

The club have to realise how damaging this is over time as potential targets will always see us as a team who dont win and lack ambition, therefore we will have to pay salaries over the odda just to get them to listen.

I take your point but we’re at the start of a new era now with the stadium and the revenues it will generate. Previously it was about building a team to get in to the top four and compete for trophies. Now it’s about trying to win trophies.

If we don’t manage to do that in the next few years as the stadium income starts making a difference I will just as pissed off as the rest of the whingers. But I don’t think you can judge how we operated previously with strategies and objectives moving forward.

 

[soflapaul]

Thats Trippier as a champion now to.

Modric, Berbatov, Walker, Carrick, Eriksen and Bale over the years.

The club have to realise how damaging this is over time as potential targets will always see us as a team who dont win and lack ambition, therefore we will have to pay salaries over the odda just to get them to listen.

I think most players will see Spurs for what they are. Almost men to date but at the cusp of making it to the next step if they invest in players.

it should also be noted that over half of your list had to leave the country to get their champion's rings. Kane doesn't want to leave the country. The other three pretty much went to the reigning superpower at the time although Carrick did catch Man U right as they ascended back to the top.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

Thats Trippier as a champion now to.

Modric, Berbatov, Walker, Carrick, Eriksen and Bale over the years.

The club have to realise how damaging this is over time as potential targets will always see us as a team who dont win and lack ambition, therefore we will have to pay salaries over the odda just to get them to listen.

You’ll be telling me next that Trippier is one of the best full backs in the world. I have watched him for Athletico in la liga and he is no better than he ever was. Athletico have won a sub standard Spanish league. Barca and Madrid are skint. Chelsea beat them comfortably in CL.
How Southgate can have him instead of TAA beats me. He is average at defending .any decent wide player used to walk past him in the prem lge. He went because Poch fell out with him for playing in the 3rd place match in World Cup when injured, and was constantly injured following season.

 

[WinksyBoy]

He went to the game

So did I.

 

[DiVaio]

Thats Trippier as a champion now to.

Modric, Berbatov, Walker, Carrick, Eriksen and Bale over the years.

The club have to realise how damaging this is over time as potential targets will always see us as a team who dont win and lack ambition, therefore we will have to pay salaries over the odda just to get them to listen.

Well all of them came here, improved massively and had a relatively very good time which is probably more important to potential targets.
Berbatov won a trophy with us, apart Carrick the rest of them had even multiple opportunity to win trophies.

And I really don't get using Trippier as an example because he didn't left us as he wanted to get trophies, he was sold because he was the worst regularly starting player for Spurs in 18/19.

 

[The Opinionated Lurker]

You’ll be telling me next that Trippier is one of the best full backs in the world. I have watched him for Athletico in la liga and he is no better than he ever was. Athletico have won a sub standard Spanish league. Barca and Madrid are skint. Chelsea beat them comfortably in CL.
How Southgate can have him instead of TAA beats me. He is average at defending .any decent wide player used to walk past him in the prem lge. He went because Poch fell out with him for playing in the 3rd place match in World Cup when injured, and was constantly injured following season.

Trippier’s entire career has been made off that World Cup free kick. He’s a very average player who I assume Atleti are having to hide when defending (not gonna lie and pretend I watch them). People forget just how trash he was for us. He was a great backup who was shit once given the starting role. Just about any fast winger gave him nightmares. Scored a decent goal for chelsea against us though, very calm finish. Now I know this is an unpopular opinion, so let the neg reps commence

 

[shelfboy68]

Well all of them came here, improved massively and had a relatively very good time which is probably more important to potential targets.
Berbatov won a trophy with us, apart Carrick the rest of them had even multiple opportunity to win trophies.

And I really don't get using Trippier as an example because he didn't left us as he wanted to get trophies, he was sold because he was the worst regularly starting player for Spurs in 18/19.

Yes but it is a funny stat that everyone who leaves spurs win things whereas spurs don't.

 

[rossdapep]

You’ll be telling me next that Trippier is one of the best full backs in the world. I have watched him for Athletico in la liga and he is no better than he ever was. Athletico have won a sub standard Spanish league. Barca and Madrid are skint. Chelsea beat them comfortably in CL.
How Southgate can have him instead of TAA beats me. He is average at defending .any decent wide player used to walk past him in the prem lge. He went because Poch fell out with him for playing in the 3rd place match in World Cup when injured, and was constantly injured following season.

No, I was happy to sell him. The point is we didnt go out and get better

 

[Albertbarich]

Anyone else remember that interview levy gave when he said something along the lines of people get too caught up with thinking you need to spend money to be successful?

I'm not even fully enic out but that wound me up. Highest paid chairman, highest ticket prices and you have the cheek to complain that people think you should actually spend money on the team.

 

[sundanceyid10]

I take your point but we’re at the start of a new era now with the stadium and the revenues it will generate. Previously it was about building a team to get in to the top four and compete for trophies. Now it’s about trying to win trophies.

If we don’t manage to do that in the next few years as the stadium income starts making a difference I will just as pissed off as the rest of the whingers. But I don’t think you can judge how we operated previously with strategies and objectives moving forward.

Unfortunately it’s back to trying to get into the top 4 as we have gone backwards, well we dumped the manager who was consistently achieving that.

 

[Shadydan]

I don’t think we should be spending record transfer fees on players who turn out to be average. I’m not sure they will improve that much to be honest. This along with a long list of very expensive players shows how bad our analysis of who we are purchasing is. We have become a very average team.

This could be our smartest signing in the summer:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Navaris-Crystal-Clear-Glass-Ball/dp/B07G3CZ2NP/ref=sr_1_6?dchild=1&keywords=crystal+ball&qid=1621711986&sr=8-6

 

[Lighty64]

Perhaps ENIC should not be in football if they just see it as an investment company. They obviously don't care about winning anything as long as it makes a profit and swells their investment portfolio. However the fans do but who cares A.

ENIC bought us after being an investment company many years before buying Sugar out and turning us into a competing team on all fronts.

When ENIC buys land around the world they are not doing it with THFC money, they do it with their own company money, otherwise something would show up when Swiss Ramble do their annual breakdown. we also have our own company where what we make goes to that not ENIC.

If they never cared about winning they wouldn't have spent over 100m when on the brink of relegation or re-invested the Bale money. they are not the ones that actually have lost the 5 finals or the 7 or 8 S/F's. Yes true we could have won those with better players, but then there is no guarantee that those players would have definitely got us that far in the 1st place

They invested enough to get us involved in comps, even if apparently in the FT in 2019 as @Archibald&Crooks they could have spent more (unfortunately I've no intention of subscribing to the FT to see his exact words and over what period he was talking about), so will accept A&C's words for it meaning since they took over.

 

[Lighty64]

I don’t think we should be spending record transfer fees on players who turn out to be average. I’m not sure they will improve that much to be honest. This along with a long list of very expensive players shows how bad our analysis of who we are purchasing is. We have become a very average team.

they weren't average players when we bought them, but we didn't buy them off of another PL team. not every good player that has ever come to the PL have made the impact they did in their previous country

 

[sundanceyid10]

This could be our smartest signing in the summer:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Navaris-Crystal-Clear-Glass-Ball/dp/B07G3CZ2NP/ref=sr_1_6?dchild=1&keywords=crystal+ball&qid=1621711986&sr=8-6

I’m not expecting them to get every signing right, neither should all of them be bad, but the expensive ones have been pretty appalling, but hey let’s just keep doing the same thing. Or maybe take a look at things and see if the people evaluating talent are not doing a very good job, unless average results is what we are going for.