Eric Dier

[Japhet]

Honestly think Jose turns him into a world beater.
The Dier we had a couple years ago with a bit more

I don't think he has the pace now that he had then and that's a huge obstacle to recovering that form. I hope he can turn it around but that's the type of management call Jose is being paid 15m a year to make.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

His short passing was ok yesterday, mid to longer stuff still not the best.

Having said that I still think we moved it quicker without Sissoko in there.

 

[Primativ]

Pundits are so fucking stupid. It was sad hearing Redknapp say the reason we won was because West Ham were so shit.


We haven’t won away since January when we scraped a win against One of the worst teams in PL history. Jose turns up and we win and apparently it’s because West Ham are shit. Fuck of

The selection and tactics made us much more solid. We’ve been routinely seeing us give up chances galore against teams week in week out for months. Yesterday in the first 60 minutes we didn’t give them a sniff. Then we tired etc

I liked the feel of the side. Just felt and looked much more solid. More protection for the defence. Something we’ve been crying out for.

If Jose can get Dier back to 2016 levels in DM we will be really good to do. Big ask but if Dier isn’t up to it I’m sure Jose will sign a replacement.

 

[spurs mental]

Amazing that people continue to write this guy off after all the injury hell he's gone through. Hes had over a year of crap to deal. Considering he was once the main man alongside Dembele we should be prepared to give him some time to get back up to speed and rediscover that form. We do for the likes of Dele and Kane.

I didn't see a whole lot of the game yesterday but from what I did see was Dier doing a job we know he can do and do well.

Hes been in and out of the Poch merrygoround selection process this season. A run of games under a manager who we know has courted him for a long time will do him the world of good.

Give him a couple of months. If he hasn't improved by January he wont be in the team anyway.

 

[dontcallme]

Amazing that people continue to write this guy off after all the injury hell he's gone through. Hes had over a year of crap to deal. Considering he was once the main man alongside Dembele we should be prepared to give him some time to get back up to speed and rediscover that form. We do for the likes of Dele and Kane.

I didn't see a whole lot of the game yesterday but from what I did see was Dier doing a job we know he can do and do well.

Hes been in and out of the Poch merrygoround selection process this season. A run of games under a manager who we know has courted him for a long time will do him the world of good.

Give him a couple of months. If he hasn't improved by January he wont be in the team anyway.

There was a time we had the best defensive record in the league. This was in part due to having Vertonghen and Alderweireld centre back but Dier sitting in front was massively beneficial.

Dier has been an asset in the past and hoping he can be again.

Dier back to form could really help Ndombele and Lo Celso get forward.

 

[Japhet]

There was a time we had the best defensive record in the league. This was in part due to having Vertonghen and Alderweireld centre back but Dier sitting in front was massively beneficial.

Dier has been an asset in the past and hoping he can be again.

Dier back to form could really help Ndombele and Lo Celso get forward.

I think Dier would benefit from a 433 in certain games setup where could stay more central instead of tracking the width of the pitch. Him with a combination of Ndombele, Lo Celso, Winks, Sissoko on each side would be pretty solid. Ndombele and Lo Celso are both quite capable of breaking forward as well. If we're dominant in possession he's OK in a pivot but things took a turn yesterdat when Antonio came on and they got hold of the ball more.

 

[Flobadob]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.. he isn’t good enough. He’s poor on the ball and his agility is shocking. I see him switch off several times every match, so I really don’t understand the whole “he’s intelligent” debate. We can do so much better than him and we need to if we want to close the gap on the teams above us

 

[Windwarden]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.. he isn’t good enough. He’s poor on the ball and his agility is shocking. I see him switch off several times every match, so I really don’t understand the whole “he’s intelligent” debate. We can do so much better than him and we need to if we want to close the gap on the teams above us

this, there’s a reason the only comment you ever see isgive him a chance, hope he gets back to his best Etc. It’s because never plays well, or even has an average game. The reason for that is not complicated. His stats are also appalling for the last three years, he doesn’t tackle and he doesn’t make interceptions, the game just completely passes him by and he rarely gets anywhere near theball.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Dier will be back. A few words to note. He has played next to no PL footie all season so far (it's already late November), so a couple of matches to get going is allowed for any player.
He is still young, which means that you don't "lose" pace in the age he is in. Yesterday he showed primarily great positional awareness, and he must have had the match's record for successful arial interventions. Dier will be fully back in a few weeks, maybe sooner, and I would absolutely suggest backing him.

 

[allatsea]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.. he isn’t good enough. He’s poor on the ball and his agility is shocking. I see him switch off several times every match, so I really don’t understand the whole “he’s intelligent” debate. We can do so much better than him and we need to if we want to close the gap on the teams above us

Yet that nutter Mourinho wanted to buy him for Man United. I wonder what he knows that you don’t ?

 

[Flobadob]

Yet that nutter Mourinho wanted to buy him for Man United. I wonder what he knows that you don’t ?

How long ago are we going to go back to suit our argument then buddy?

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Dier played the most passes of any Spurs player yesterday (61) and had the most touches (73) with 2 losses of possession in total.

 

[spurs mental]

this, there’s a reason the only comment you ever see isgive him a chance, hope he gets back to his best Etc. It’s because never plays well, or even has an average game. The reason for that is not complicated. His stats are also appalling for the last three years, he doesn’t tackle and he doesn’t make interceptions, the game just completely passes him by and he rarely gets anywhere near theball.

Do you watch football or just read about it on Twitter? And do you know how many games he missed through injury in the last 2 seasons?

 

[dontcallme]

In 2015/16 Dier played 37 league games and we had the best defensive record in the league.

2016/17 he played 36 and we had the best defensive record in the league.

2017/18 he played 34 and we had the 3rd best record in the league.

2018/19 he played 20 and we had the 3rd best record but were much further away from our competition.

So people making out he has never been good is OTT from grown men who don’t understand there is a grey area between great and shit.

The real question is if he can get back to his previous level or if there is an available option out there much better than Dier.

 

[Windwarden]

this, there’s a reason the only comment you ever see isgive him a chance, hope he gets back to his best Etc. It’s because never plays well, or even has an average game. The reason for that is not complicated. His stats are also appalling for the last three years, he doesn’t tackle and he doesn’t make interceptions, the game just completely passes him by and he rarely gets anywhere near theball.

Do you watch football or just read about it on Twitter? And do you know how many games he missed through injury in the last 2 seasons?

I’ve watched every single one of our games bar a handful for the last five years, thank you for asking. If you had any kind of intelligent opinion you wouldn’t feel the need to react like a three year old to an opposing one, and might be able to address specific points. Nah, didn’t think so. I don’t immediately start attacking people who rate Dier, I just give the reasons that I don’t. It is possible, when you’re not threatened by different points of view, to discuss them and your own, without unnecessary hostility. It’s like questioning the musical ability of a deranged teenage girl’s favourite BTS member on here.

 

[spurs mental]

I’ve watched every single one of our games bar a handful for the last five years, thank you for asking. If you had any kind of intelligent opinion you wouldn’t feel the need to react like a three year old to an opposing one, and might be able to address specific points. Nah, didn’t think so. I don’t immediately start attacking people who rate Dier, I just give the reasons that I don’t. It is possible, when you’re not threatened by different points of view, to discuss them and your own, without unnecessary hostility. It’s like questioning the musical ability of a deranged teenage girl’s favourite BTS member on here.

So then how have his stats been so bad every game for the last three years when hes missed the bulk of 2 them? Returning from injury is not easy. He cant hit the ground running.

 

[allatsea]

How long ago are we going to go back to suit our argument then buddy?

You said and I quote "I've said it before and I’ll say it again.. he isn’t good enough. He’s poor on the ball and his agility is shocking". I assumed you felt he had always been like that and hadn't suddenly become not good enough, poor on the ball and with shocking agility.

 

[spurs mental]

This thread is going to be like the Poch thread in a matter of days.

 

[Windwarden]

So then how have his stats been so bad every game for the last three years when hes missed the bulk of 2 them? Returning from injury is not easy. He cant hit the ground running.

check the history of his defensive stats. Every year he has exceedingly low tackles and interceptions (at least for his position and what is expected). Even if you look game by game, he just doesn’t make them, prior to his injury. I only started looking it up because I’d watched him firsthand and thought he was becoming a really poor player. I started out making excuses for him, like we have a lot of possession which explains it, but kante’s defensive stats didn’t drop when he moved to Chelsea (or if they did it was marginal), and the other big tackling intercepting players in high possession teams rack up tackles and interceptions. stats aren’t everything but I don’t think it’s a coincidence the better players in his position have so much better tackles/interceptions even when playing for teams with much more possession than us like city.

When he had a long uninterrupted run at defensive mid the general opinion became that he was poor in this position and there began a clamoring for him to be a centre back, with a lot claiming this was the position in which he excelled. Butwhen he was playing there more, after having to cover at right back when he first came to us, he was getting absolutely slaughtered for his continual lapses in concentration that resulted in goals.

The only time since first joining and getting appearances, when he was getting a lot of positive comments was when was first moved to defensive midfielder and in particular that Everton game, in the context that I think most of us had very low expectations as he was a centre back. I was firmly in his camp that first season he was played there. But like when he first joined us, it was always with te idea that he was young and will iron out the mistakes and develop into a very good player.

unfortunately, the opposite happened, not due to injury or illness but long before that. He lost the agility he had as a youngster, and started becoming a lumbering defensive mid, who can’t get close to te ball often as is easily out maneuvered in important areas of the pitch. He actually started to kick players up in the air a lot as he couldn’t make the tackle, which I didn’t like, and became frustrated, while continuing to have the same lapses in concentration. He takes up good starting positions but it doesn’t translate to any turnover of possession. I get that he can be of tactical value or change passing lanes but I don’t think this in any way makes up for his deficiencies in all other areas of the game.

in the end, I actually felt that his strongest attribute was the odd bitnof passing ability but only when he has absolutely ages to make the pass. He does win headers in central midfield, and make a few clearances though.

i have nothing against him as a person, and would love to be proven wrong, but it’s been a long long time now since he’s played well, and even then, it was more performances of promise.

probably the most depressing debate in football for me has been the Dier vs Henderson one for England. Jesus Christ, it’s like choosing between cardboard or nothing for lunch

 

[Vincent30]

I guess the issue with Dier is people can clearly see he is quite slow on the turn and sometimes gives some shocking passes away, part of this for me is because he is very rusty with being out for so long.

But people tend to miss his leadership, strength in the air, positioning. He's not a crap player by any means.

Does he suit us, maybe, maybe not. I do prefer a much quicker and intense DM who is fantastic at pressing and can give simple passes to our more creative players. But let's not ignore some of his qualities and just say he is poor which isn't true.