Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[YB123]

We are literally running out of World Class managers here, how many do we need to get through for people to see it’s the players and recruitment that are the issue.

We are still in the champions league remember, THAT is the result of a world class manager. But it is not sustainable under ANY management to constantly pull rabbits out of the hat. The team sucks and we are miles behind on brining it up to speed now.

It's absolutely infuriating!

 

[YB123]

Unpopular opinion, and I’m fully here for the neg ratings, BUT…

If AC does go (or is pushed), I’m all here for any manager who could set us up to play fast, attacking football.

A manager who might not have the win % of a Mourinho or Conte, but does know how to set up a team to attack and dominate the ball.

Football is the entertainment business and so far this season, entertainment has been sparse. Results have only been marginally better than the performances. To summarise earlier on in the season, the results papered over some very obvious cracks. Our football (especially at home to inferior teams) has been and is wank to watch.

And fans will still moan about that style if we leak goals or cant break teams down (ie Harry and Poch teams)

 

[PeeEyeEmPee]

It's not revisionism, it's analysing the position we're in now.

If you’re claiming that the players we brought in during the summer weren’t brought in to improve the first team, then I really can’t think of a better word to describe it than revisionism

 

[wrd]

I want Conte to stay and be backed but it doesn't seem like the club are prepared to do that so it makes no sense to keep going.

I agree unfortunately, if we aren’t willing to back the manager then it’s a complete waste but I don’t see how suddenly the next manager is the one we’ll back. Unless this really is all about Levy realising he should have allowed Poch a down season and regretting ever since but I just don’t know if I can believe that suddenly Levy is going to back the next guy. I can think of many reasons to try and convince myself but when a chairmen doesn’t back Conte after bringing him in at great expense, I think I’d rather not bother trying to spin it on here this time.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Thinking anything however small that is good is down to Conte, and all the significant things that are wrong is nothing to do with him.

You are part of the problem

Actually, the problem is this sort of deflection.

What the manager is or isn't really makes no difference.

The problem is Levy, all the rest means nothing. Until Levy goes it doesn't matter who's the manager, it doesn't matter what a manager did or didn't do, it doesn't mean a thing what he's not being blamed for and it doesn't matter to what degree.

So saying anyone or anything is 'part of the problem', in this context, isn't actually right.

There is only one problem.

IMO of course.

 

[Spurzinho]

DL is not trigger happy. The only manager I can remember getting sacked without the crowd turning was Jol. Every other manager only got the boot when the atmosphere was completely rancid. Sadly, I think we've got this for another five months. There's zero chance Conte re-signs. There's naff all chance we push the boat out and bring in the amount of players Conte feels he needs. There's zero chance DL sacks Conte. We're just playing out the season with a squad of players, half of whom we don't want and the half we do are ready for the knackers yard or a club where they can win trophies.

 

[Gb160]

Quotes?

was obviously a load of old bollocks that @agrdavidsfan bottom fed from twitter.

 

[chrissivad]

Oh yep get that. Its infuriating because in some games you just think switch to a 4 and go for it (wont blame him for today as we had zero alternatives)

But its a tried and tested system. Look at second half of last season.

Why should an elite coach with a proven formula have to adapt and change his idea for players who cant do it or are not good enough.

Because it's up to the manager/coach to get the best out of the players he has available.

We can all agree he needs better players, but you don't send a team out knowing they can't play in that formation or tactics.

 

[gibbospurs]

Its man management. I get it. You want to get the golden boot winner firing on all cylinders. It did not work - but I think that was an acceptable choice by a manager.

(I would absolutely bench Son for Richarlison, as soon as Richi is healthy - but this is a different stage of the season)

I’m not sure dropping our best player from the season before and putting richi on the right was a great bit of man management at all. It was an awful idea. And in hindsight maybe kulu wouldn’t be picking up injuries if he had been starting. But…. If sonny had burst into life?? Hindsight. Your definitely right about dropping sonny now tho. Richarlasons injury is such bad timing.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

BTW - for everyone claiming Conte should just switch to a back-4, I don't think it's that simple.

That is a tactical change that impacts the positioning and interplay of the entire back line. That takes training time - and for the entire first half of the year, we were playing twice a week. There was no time to make such a switch - it was a constant rotation of player recovery, followed by tactics for the upcoming match. No time to completely switch things up.

And, even in the WC break - the two players most critical to making that switch were probably Cuti and Dier - neither were around.

And for the Villa game - I am sure Conte thought he was preparing to have Bentancur back, and Kulusevski available - both of whom would have made this conversation moot.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

If Conte, a manager who has always won the title when backed doesn’t get backed, why on earth would any other manager we bring in suddenly get backed??

Conte leaving = admittance from ENIC they don’t want to spend what it will take to challenge, no matter the manager. They are comfortable spending less than our rivals and achieving European qualification, hoping we can pull off a Poch miracle and maybe challenge for an odd season.

Conte leaving = realising you’re supporting the man in the 100 metres final who only has one leg.

Conte leaving = absolutely no point in getting your hopes up re. this club progressing and challenging until Levy/ENIC leave as we aren’t willing to compete and so will always fall short.

If Conte leaves that has to be it for Levy. I love Poch but there will literally be no point in getting any hopes up for what we could achieve as he won’t ever be backed.

Conte leaving we might get to see Spurs team play with a little bravery flamboyance and heart that is what the club is supposed to be about

 

[floydiohead]

I'd love it if someone far cleverer than me can have a stab at how much we've paid in manager compensation after a sacking in ENIC's tenure.

 

[Nebby]

If Conte, a manager who has always won the title when backed doesn’t get backed, why on earth would any other manager we bring in suddenly get backed??

Conte leaving = admittance from ENIC they don’t want to spend what it will take to challenge, no matter the manager. They are comfortable spending less than our rivals and achieving European qualification, hoping we can pull off a Poch miracle and maybe challenge for an odd season.

Conte leaving = realising you’re supporting the man in the 100 metres final who only has one leg.

Conte leaving = absolutely no point in getting your hopes up re. this club progressing and challenging until Levy/ENIC leave as we aren’t willing to compete and so will always fall short.

ENIC could chuck every last penny they have at transfers. Still wouldn’t be enough.

 

[Impspur1]

And fans will still moan about that style if we leak goals or cant break teams down (ie Harry and Poch teams)

Winning football creates confidence which creates good football

 

[TPdYID]

A side note to all of this…

Is anybody else a bit fucking fed-up of the narrative that Conte is doing Spurs a favour, by being the manager.

As a working class man, who pays to see his team home and away, I’m a bit sick of hearing how lucky Spurs are to have hired Conte in the first place. (the highest paid manager in the world, working in arguably the most elite environment in the world)

He’s not volunteering at the weatherspoons.

 

[Trees]

DL is not trigger happy. The only manager I can remember getting sacked without the crowd turning was Jol. Every other manager only got the boot when the atmosphere was completely rancid. Sadly, I think we've got this for another five months. There's zero chance Conte re-signs. There's naff all chance we push the boat out and bring in the amount of players Conte feels he needs. There's zero chance DL sacks Conte. We're just playing out the season with a squad of players, half of whom we don't want and the half we do are ready for the knackers yard or a club where they can win trophies.

In the age of instant gratification I just don’t think that 5 months of limbo will happen. It will just become more and more toxic. Something will break.

 

[TPdYID]

And fans will still moan about that style if we leak goals or cant break teams down (ie Harry and Poch teams)

But isn’t that what we’re doing now with our world class (lucky to have him) manager?

We’re leaking goals and struggling to break teams down, only difference is…we’re doing so, without any flair or creativity in possession.

Our performances at home this season have been utterly disgraceful. It’s like bibs vs attack, with us camped in, defending deep, hoping for the odd counter attack.

 

[dagraham]

It really is time now to either shit or get off the pot. And that applies to both parties. We can't back a manager that won't be here in 6 months, equally I can see why Conte won't commit unless he is given assurances of backing. It seems like they both need to have an open and honest conversation.

Mate, we’ve been on the pot for so long the whole family have kicked the toilet door in.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

BTW - for everyone claiming Conte should just switch to a back-4, I don't think it's that simple.

That is a tactical change that impacts the positioning and interplay of the entire back line. That takes training time - and for the entire first half of the year, we were playing twice a week. There was no time to make such a switch - it was a contestant rotation of player recovery, followed by tactics for the upcoming match. No time to completely switch things up.

And, even in the WC break - the two players most critical to making that switch were probably Cuti and Dier - neither were around.

And for the Villa game - I am sure Conte thought he was preparing to have Bentancur back, and Kulusevski available - both of whom would have made this conversation moot.

to organise a side with a back 4 is relatively easy you work in banks of 4 its not rocket science at all - the system he uses isn't working its confused players do not know there jobs the lack of width or penetration is down to the system its so easy to play against - we could still be there now and not have scored yet he had 3 centre halfs marking a loan striker the man is supposed to be a world class coach and we can''t change a system - same mistakes week after week and no confidence in the side at all comes from the manager

 

[FinnYid]

who knows how to lead a project club, not a top-4 club.

Those aren't mutually exclusive, some might even argue that with club like Spurs they ought to go hand in hand.