Financial Fair Play (general thread)

[newbie]

Works both ways when we try and sell our loan rangers. Hoping Leeds get promoted so they should be able to buy Rodon. We only paid 11m so 15m would be ok.
Man United are going to have to take a huge hit on Sancho

esp as his wages are insane

we have the same prob with ND, we need to keep signing young players on low wages, two bad signings are you are …

Arsenal had ozil and the striker how do you spelt it who where both on insabe wages it crippled there transfer windows

we will loose / have lost off our wage bill Dier, Kane, loris, IP soon to go that’s prob 4 of our top 8 wage earners gone it frees a lot of money

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Here are some pretty mind blowing figures on finances , question is are some clubs charging their fans enough in comparison to what they are paying players , little wonder there is no lee way on FFP.

These figures all taken from the most recent published financial accounts up untill 2022

Spurs matchday income £106.1 million that includes 8,000 hospitality seats so not directly comparable to others. It's not clear from those clubs accounts if that is purely from ticket sales or also includes food purchased etc. Pretty sure our figure excludes sales in the Spurs shop.

matchday receipts
Everton £15.6 million
Villa £16.1 million
Newcastle £27.5 million

 

[superted4]

Here are some pretty mind blowing figures on finances , question is are some clubs charging their fans enough in comparison to what they are paying players , little wonder there is no lee way on FFP.

These figures all taken from the most recent published financial accounts up untill 2022

Spurs matchday income £106.1 million that includes 8,000 hospitality seats so not directly comparable to others. It's not clear from those clubs accounts if that is purely from ticket sales or also includes food purchased etc. Pretty sure our figure excludes sales in the Spurs shop.

matchday receipts
Everton £15.6 million
Villa £16.1 million
Newcastle £27.5 million

Those figures can’t be right for Everton, Villa and Newcastle?

can they?

edit: checked the Deloitte report on the previous page

Everton showing €18m
Newcastle €33m

Villa not available, so those figures are nigh on right. Jeez

 

[BorjeSpurs]

Totally agree even though we as fans are footing a lot of the bill with ticket prices but if Everton fans paid those sort of prices they wouldn't have FFP problems.

I think we all agree that modern football PL ticket prices are too high but it is more nuanced than above.

Everything is more expensive in London compared to the rest of the country. Even clubs like Fulham and West Ham have similar pricing for most expensive ticket.

Everton themselves have a flat pricing structure which means you can't get into Goodison against any opposition in the league for less than £55. Cheapest tickets list below. Not sure that is something to admire.

Counting average cost is tricky due to difference in stadium attendances, different categories etc. However, Spurs is one of the biggest clubs in the league, with the best stadium and we're located in London. The unfortunate reality is that it wouldn't make sense for Spurs to be anywhere else than near the top of the list.

*Screenshots taken from Athletic article from August 2023.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Those figures can’t be right for Everton, Villa and Newcastle?

can they?

edit: checked the Deloitte report on the previous page

Everton showing €18m
Newcastle €33m

Villa not available, so those figures are nigh on right. Jeez

Don't forget Deloitte figures are in euros, link to Everton's last accounts. The gate receipts are on page 8 and the figures are for 19 PL matches and 2 cup games

https://resources.evertonfc.com/evertonfc/document/2023/03/31/895fc94b-f5a7-4c72-8d3b-57abf7929dff/Annual-Report-2-And-Accounts-2022.pdf?_gl=1*7xxl9j*_ga*MTMxNDEzMjA1NC4xNzA1NDA0MjA1*_ga_4H186ENHQ4*MTcwNTQxOTgxNi4yLjAuMTcwNTQxOTgxNi42MC4wLjA.

PS there will be new accounts out soon, those are the ones the PL say breach FFP again.

 

[rossdapep]

In Chelsea's case, Man City, Man United and Arsenal didn't have to bail them out by paying £200m total for Kovacic, Mount and Havertz. They would've been in much greater FFP trouble had the other clubs held firm against Chelsea's valuations.

Yes they've done a lot of dodgy shit but blame the other big clubs for paying those sums for those players.

Absolutely.

That did annoy me because all 3 of those players were not really worth that and all 3 clubs could have found better value elsewhere, and it wasn't as if these players had competition for their signatures.

Was weird that they all did that.

The upside for these clubs was so slim, yet here they are really helping out a rival they could have easily let fall to pieces.

Will never understand that.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

I think we all agree that modern football PL ticket prices are too high but it is more nuanced than above.

True prices are too high but why , could it be players wage packets , agents , transfer fees etc.

 

[RuskyM]

Football has eaten itself.

 

[Marty]

Absolutely.

That did annoy me because all 3 of those players were not really worth that and all 3 clubs could have found better value elsewhere, and it wasn't as if these players had competition for their signatures.

Was weird that they all did that.

The upside for these clubs was so slim, yet here they are really helping out a rival they could have easily let fall to pieces.

Will never understand that.

And that's my main concern with Gallagher tbh. I think he's a good player, and better than he's shown at Chelsea recently, but I don't want Spurs to give them any money!

 

[Marty]

Football has eaten itself.

I assume they're suing him for breach of contract over his overtly pro-Palestine posts? (and no we cannot discuss the content here)

Whichever way this goes it will set an interesting precedence.

 

[elfy]

How have you managed to not notice the hoo-haa that's surrounded them being docked points?
Have all those pink leaflets, booing the PL anthem and crying on every radio phone in been for nothing?!

Amatuers! They didn't make a flag. They should have made a flag. Liverpool would have made a flag....

 

[GMI]

City hearing date agreed…

Manchester City hearing date set but Everton takeover decision delayed | Football | The Guardian

Richard Masters has confirmed that a date has been agreed to hear the 115 charges brought against Manchester City and acknowledged a delay in assessing 777 Partners’ offer to buy Everton

amp.theguardian.com

 

[Col_M]

Football has eaten itself.

Interesting. I don’t think this will stick unless the contract is very explicit. It’s an impingement on his human rights.

 

[Col_M]

City hearing date agreed…

Manchester City hearing date set but Everton takeover decision delayed | Football | The Guardian

Richard Masters has confirmed that a date has been agreed to hear the 115 charges brought against Manchester City and acknowledged a delay in assessing 777 Partners’ offer to buy Everton

amp.theguardian.com

the date will be AFTER they’ve won the league no doubt.

 

[Yid-ol]

the date will be AFTER they’ve won the league no doubt.

Isn't there a cut of point where points can be deducted from a season?

And when it's all sorted I guess points will all be taken off in one season...... Hope the bottom clubs next year pick up a few more points than this year!

 

[philip]

the date will be AFTER they’ve won the league no doubt.

With Spurs luck, it'll hand the title to arsenal

 

[McFlash]

I assume they're suing him for breach of contract over his overtly pro-Palestine posts? (and no we cannot discuss the content here)

Whichever way this goes it will set an interesting precedence.

Without going into what was said, was that why they sacked him? For his political views?
Or were they laced with anti-Semitism?

 

[Dr Know]

the date will be AFTER they’ve won the league no doubt.

and it will be one date of many over the next 10 years.

I want to see Everton gone but fair is fair. City and Chelsea have the finances to tie up proceeding for the next 8-10 years whilst Everton do not. I though the whole point of FFP was to level the playing field? Clearly this is not the case where City and Chelsea were charge before Everton but Everton have already received a punishment and facing a second round of punishments.
If this does not highlight the corruption in the PL then I don't know what will!

 

[easley91]

and it will be one date of many over the next 10 years.

I want to see Everton gone but fair is fair. Everton does not have the finances to tie up proceeding for the next 8-10 years whilst Everton do not. I though the whole point of FFP was to level the playing field? Clearly this is not the case where City and Chelsea were charge before Everton but Everton have already received a punishment and facing a second round of punishments.
If this does not highlight the corruption in the PL then I don't know what will!

City have denied 115 charges. Everton have significantly less charges for which they have accepted, just did not like the subsequent punishment nor the timing and is a much simpler case.

Wish people would stop asking why City haven't been punished yet. It's a much more complicated and long winded case. That's it.

Everton and Nottingham Forest charged Q&A: Time-frame? Points deduction? What about Man City?

Everton and Nottingham Forest have been charged with breaching Premier League Profitability and Sustainability Rules; both clubs can appeal and can face anything from fines to a points deduction; Man City have also faced charges, while Chelsea are under investigation

www.skysports.com

 

[Dr Know]

Wish people would stop asking why City haven't been punished yet. It's a much more complicated and long winded case. That's it.

Everton and Nottingham Forest charged Q&A: Time-frame? Points deduction? What about Man City?

Everton and Nottingham Forest have been charged with breaching Premier League Profitability and Sustainability Rules; both clubs can appeal and can face anything from fines to a points deduction; Man City have also faced charges, while Chelsea are under investigation

www.skysports.com

Unless my hearing is bad (which it may well be) this dude on the TV (Richard Masters) just said that they expedited the Everton charge. Now I know nothing about the legal aspect but logic tells me that the one with more complications should be the one expedited.

I bet my house on it that Man City and Chelsea don't get settled within the next 4 years