Gift Orban

[funkycoldmedina]

I don't mind Levy but this is an area that pisses me off. Udogie, Sarr and Spence were all club signings in the same window. No problem with that or the 2/3 hit rate as it's ok to have a £15m young signing not work if all 3 had come from the scouting team.
But it's not good if we are getting these punts and forcing them on the club because an agent/Pleat or whatever has highlighted them.
The best thing is for Levy to refer Spence type on to the scouts and then leave the final decision to them

 

[homer hotspur]

Something of the Clinton N' jie signing to me. Who knows?

 

[homer hotspur]

I don't mind Levy but this is an area that pisses me off. Udogie, Sarr and Spence were all club signings in the same window. No problem with that or the 2/3 hit rate as it's ok to have a £15m young signing not work if all 3 had come from the scouting team.
But it's not good if we are getting these punts and forcing them on the club because an agent/Pleat or whatever has highlighted them.
The best thing is for Levy to refer Spence type on to the scouts and then leave the final decision to them

He probably does .

 

[rossdapep]

I must say I’m starting to get to a point where I may be preferring Marcos Leonardo to Orban. Having watched a number recent games and reading a few, all be it western, scout reports I’m really impressed by what he’s been doing in a pretty poor Santos team. At only 20 he has been leading that line with maturity. Considering he’s supposedly available for only €20 mil including add ons, as far as younger gambles on exciting prospects go I actually think for our system he might be the better move. Could be completely wrong of course but im impressed and ether way im going to be watching when he does move to Europe which will probably be soon.

Hopefully Gabbanini is paying attention

 

[King of the Lane]

I may be wrong but from what Ive seen he isnt a good footballer. His all round play is really lacking but he is an absolute killer when it comes to finishing. Im not sure he will be premier league standard tbh as he wont get space/poor defending like he is used to.

 

[ukdy]

Doesn't matter what the majority in here think though does it. It matters what the coaching and scouting teams think.

Let's be honest if some one gets linked more and more supporters jump on the band wagon as the momentum builds. They watch highlights reals and convince themselves whoever it is is going to be the second coming.

Classic confirmation bias

 

[spurslenny]

Doesn't matter what the majority in here think though does it. It matters what the coaching and scouting teams think.

Let's be honest if some one gets linked more and more supporters jump on the band wagon as the momentum builds. They watch highlights reals and convince themselves whoever it is is going to be the second coming.

I agree. I was more pointing out that fans have a selective opinion about whether its a club signing or manager signing

 

[GetSpurredOn]

I must say I’m starting to get to a point where I may be preferring Marcos Leonardo to Orban. Having watched a number recent games and reading a few, all be it western, scout reports I’m really impressed by what he’s been doing in a pretty poor Santos team. At only 20 he has been leading that line with maturity. Considering he’s supposedly available for only €20 mil including add ons, as far as younger gambles on exciting prospects go I actually think for our system he might be the better move. Could be completely wrong of course but im impressed and ether way im going to be watching when he does move to Europe which will probably be soon.

I’m starting to agree. Leonardo has more technical ability and is appears just as ruthless a finisher. Santos are allegedly asking for less too. And with Emerson and Richarlison here, you’d hope he’d see the merit in coming to us with some fellow Brazilians to help him settle. I did wonder if this was one of the players Hercules was alluding to with his comment about us looking to line up some deals for South American talent. Also on LWOS it was suggested by Ben Jacobs that we are still looking at Tiago Pinto for DoF, and he may well have been behind Roma’s interest.
However, I’ve seen today that United are looking to strike a deal.

 

[DeanoD]

Doesn't matter what the majority in here think though does it. It matters what the coaching and scouting teams think.

Let's be honest if some one gets linked more and more supporters jump on the band wagon as the momentum builds. They watch highlights reals and convince themselves whoever it is is going to be the second coming.

I remember a few years back I had never heard of Patson Daka before. But Spurs Community got me all worked up about him, how many goals he had scored in the Austrian league and how he was nailed on to be the next Erling Haaland. We absolutely had to get him before one of the big boys did.

Next thing I know he’s signing for Leicester and two seasons of scoring very few goals later, he’s now playing in the championship.

That’s why I’m not getting sucked into this Gift Orban stuff. Truth is, very very few strikers can translate their goal scoring from an inferior league to the premier league. The jump in quality is enormous.

 

[KILLA_SIN]

I remember a few years back I had never heard of Patson Daka before. But Spurs Community got me all worked up about him, how many goals he had scored in the Austrian league and how he was nailed on to be the next Erling Haaland. We absolutely had to get him before one of the big boys did.

Next thing I know he’s signing for Leicester and two seasons of scoring very few goals later, he’s now playing in the championship.

That’s why I’m not getting sucked into this Gift Orban stuff. Truth is, very very few strikers can translate their goal scoring from an inferior league to the premier league. The jump in quality is enormous.

An Austrian fan did post on here that PD wasn't great

And the jump in Orbans case would be a Tier 3 league to Tier 1

 

[arunspurs]

I remember a few years back I had never heard of Patson Daka before. But Spurs Community got me all worked up about him, how many goals he had scored in the Austrian league and how he was nailed on to be the next Erling Haaland. We absolutely had to get him before one of the big boys did.

Next thing I know he’s signing for Leicester and two seasons of scoring very few goals later, he’s now playing in the championship.

That’s why I’m not getting sucked into this Gift Orban stuff. Truth is, very very few strikers can translate their goal scoring from an inferior league to the premier league. The jump in quality is enormous.

Only, you have actually not looked at Daka numbers but looking at Leicester as a team


All competition 2022/23 - 4 goals 4 assist in 1179 minutes (all are in PL)
All competition 2021/22 - 11 goals 4 assist in 1981 minutes (5 goals in 13 PL starts, 6 goals in Europe)

So, thats 15 goals 8 assist for Daka in 3160 minutes across 2 seasons which is a goal or assist per 137 minutes.

This is not a flop player.

Ofcourse, no one expected Daka to score 1 every game. There is a settling time required. In his case, he did settle well, he did contribute well but overall team performance were not good.

If we sign Orban and he gives similar number as Daka for a functioning team like us, I would be more than happy.

 

[Wick3d]

That's not how it works it's usually agents or selling clubs pushing 'great deals' our way. Spence I believe was a little different and Levy had been really impressed by his fa cup run and the media hype that surrounded it.

Club signings are fine when they are pushed by the scouting team. They are not good when they are pushed by the financial bods.

You see the equivalent of this in every industry, and the bean counters act all surprised in a few years when they then have to pay double to fix the problem they caused in the first place. It is good to listen to the subject matter experts; it is what they are paid for.

 

[KILLA_SIN]

I watched the PSG -Lens game after the Milan -Torino game. Wahi came on in the 58th minute. I prob tuned in around the 70 min mark. Lens lost 4-1.

Didn't have much involvement, forced a save from Donnarumma from a mistake. But you can clearly tell even the brief time I watched him he was far more polished than Orban. Just the positions he took, runs he made. The French do have a great coaching setup and it shows.

Anyway he was 30m from Montpellier.

 

[TheVoiceofReason]

Part of the overhyping is coming from a lack of exciting alternatives. When the plan B is seemingly Brennan Johnson, Gift Orban seems like the more inspiring choice.

Reality is Levy should be looking at far more accomplished players for this role. Hopefully that’s happening behind the scenes but highly doubt it.

 

[tototoner]

You see the equivalent of this in every industry, and the bean counters act all surprised in a few years when they then have to pay double to fix the problem they caused in the first place. It is good to listen to the subject matter experts; it is what they are paid for.

Yeah my company is doing this right now, prioritising getting investors onboard over customer reliability and it will come back to bite them in a year or so

 

[piedpiper]

I’ve been at this point from the start. Marcos Leonardo looks a far more talented player technically. You might be able to get away with your striker having no technical ability at lower levels but in the PL teams know how to isolate the striker and that’s when they have to have something about them to hold the ball up and link the play. Orban shows a really poor level in this regard, there’s no way he’s anywhere near good enough to be near our first team. We need someone better than Richarlison, or at least with better technique because that’s what is really lacking from his game. Orban isn’t going to improve that area for us at all

Then we need to stump up the fee on a proven established player and not waste money on a punt....

 

[muppetman]

I agree. I was more pointing out that fans have a selective opinion about whether its a club signing or manager signing

Surely by now everyone knows that if a signing works out it’s due to data led scouting. If a signing doesn’t work out it’s down to Levy.

 

[Joely]

Part of the overhyping is coming from a lack of exciting alternatives. When the plan B is seemingly Brennan Johnson, Gift Orban seems like the more inspiring choice.

Yep. I'm looking around and I'm struggling to come up with realistic options at the moment. Now even more difficult with under a week left. Orban, David...Orban is a young guy and would be making a huge jump up so feel would have to manage expectations on that one. Not particularly sold on David.

Muani...dont know where PSG are with that one but seems he wants to go there. Vlahovic...appeared Juve were open to selling but don't know if that has changed. Would he even want to leave and come to us and Chelsea also have/had some interest and then there are some apparent injury concerns there as well.

Kind of leads me to think they may decide to go for a wide player as options for strikers maybe limited.

If a striker were to arrive, think Orban is probably most likely provided the numbers work for the club and they feel they are not risking too much for a player who is making a big jump up. Again, will probably need patience and realising we would be signing a work in progress type player and that it would be bit of a gamble.

 

[chas vs dave]

Yeah my company is doing this right now, prioritising getting investors onboard over customer reliability and it will come back to bite them in a year or so

I work for a 20bn business. We have a product line worth 50m a year. Finance took engineers off the project to stop overspend, and save 500k. Its now cost us 3m fixing ongoing issues in the field.

 

[sundanceyid10]

We’re looking at Brennan Johnson for even more money and he’s only 12 months older than Orban.

Playing in the premier league though.