I think it fair enough that we make Kane decide to either stay or move abroad if he wants to play CL football. I really do appreciate his position, he is too good to waste his career playing in the Europa Conference, he should be on the biggest occasions. However, it is crazy to sell to a direct rival that will make us achieving our objectives that much harder. Kane can only blame himself and his advisors for putting himself in that position but that was the purpose of us renewing his contract yearly. I think a move abroad is a fair compromise, even if it is for a lower fee.
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sundanceyid10
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This thread is full of what Harry Kane wants and deserves, while I understand that, he has done a lot for the club no denying it. But I am a Spurs fan first of all, Kane has been paid handsomely for being a Spurs player, no one forced him to sign a lucrative contract. It is about what’s best for SPURS not Harry Kane, harsh as that sounds, that’s crux of it.
All this he deserves this and that, it’s like our weak mentality at getting over the line in finals is starting to seep into the fans. If the club decide he has to stay it is the clubs decision and he will have to get on with it. He should stay the 3 years and go for free at the end, more valuable than any money IMO. It would also end once and for all others taking our players. With now one of the best stadiums in the world, which for years we have talked about being a game changer, to then let a player like Kane go to another Premier League team would be a disaster for the team, a disaster to how we are trying to change as a club, a poor message to send to the fans. All noise from press, other clubs, pundits former players should be ignored and what is best for SPURS and Spurs alone should be the priority!
All this he deserves this and that, it’s like our weak mentality at getting over the line in finals is starting to seep into the fans. If the club decide he has to stay it is the clubs decision and he will have to get on with it. He should stay the 3 years and go for free at the end, more valuable than any money IMO. It would also end once and for all others taking our players. With now one of the best stadiums in the world, which for years we have talked about being a game changer, to then let a player like Kane go to another Premier League team would be a disaster for the team, a disaster to how we are trying to change as a club, a poor message to send to the fans. All noise from press, other clubs, pundits former players should be ignored and what is best for SPURS and Spurs alone should be the priority!
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GMI
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I think this has be going on behind the scenes for some time and has been impacting the team to a degree. You're spot on though. Whilst Harry will never down tools motivation is not always a conscious thing and we've already had the 'what's the f&*king point' comment under the breath this week.
Tucker
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My thoughts exactly. I love what Harry has done in a Spurs shirt, but it’s the Spurs shirt that matters at the end of the day.
SuperSpurs69
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Danny boy needs to announce the new manager ASAP in the hope they do have the clout to persuade him to stay.
We've got a couple of weeks to get things sorted otherwise we are going to be jeopardising next season the longer it drags on.
We've got a couple of weeks to get things sorted otherwise we are going to be jeopardising next season the longer it drags on.
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Bale's NY promo wasn't the club, it was the network showing the games
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A good read...
www.independent.co.uk
Harry Kane: The factors that will decide Tottenham transfer saga
There are fair questions and uncomfortable truths that go beyond just an asking price for England’s captain
Miguel Delaney
Chief Football Writer
@MiguelDelaney
To get a sense of the kind of stance Harry Kane is facing, it is worth knowing Daniel Levy’s approach to one of the first major deals he was responsible for. It was, of course, a sale.
Michael Carrick was in a similar position to Kane in the summer of 2006 and felt that he needed to leave Tottenham Hotspur to fulfil his talent. In the end, the midfielder became so frustrated with Levy’s obstructive responses to Manchester United that he decided to call the Spurs chairman himself. The repeated message back was simple. “Well, they need to pay the money,” Levy said.
“It was all about the money for Daniel, just driving the price up and up,” Carrick wrote in his autobiography. “Arguing with Daniel was pointless. I would have got more joy talking to a brick wall.”
Carrick appealed again, and got the same response again. “Well, they need to pay the money.”
With Kane, it is now believed around the club that money “starts with a two”. Numerous sources say Levy would want at least £200m to even consider selling. That’s how important Kane is to the club. That’s the value of his goals, right down to how much they improve chances of regular Champions League qualification. It is way beyond even Gareth Bale in 2013. It is almost simple maths. But it isn’t that simple a situation.
Levy’s stance isn’t as sure-footed as it was in any of his previous big sales. Tottenham are still paying off a £1.2bn stadium, having also taken out a government loan. Some financial figures around the game feel the club are in a much more stretched economic position than is perceived, “the worst of the big six”.
They still don’t have a manager. The squad is in need of a refresh. That was true when Mauricio Pochettino left, and one reason for his final-season downturn. The tough reality to consider is that a significant sale could instantly solve a few problems - even if it comes with other costs of its own.
A squad without Kane may even affect that manager search. Some figures at the club are now seriously suggesting it could be worth returning to Pochettino. There is a feeling that he has found the nature of Paris Saint-Germain more of a headache to manage than expected, and may be open to it. Levy also feels the need for an exciting appointment, as a gesture to unhappy supporters as much as anything.
It says something, however, that not even Pochettino’s appointment would change Kane’s thinking. He now desperately wants to go. One of the juncture points in this entire saga, however, is how desperately any potential buyer wants him.
All would love him in the team, of course. That goes without saying. Chelsea are said to be the most willing buyers, but are aware of the political problems with any deal. Manchester City are preparing a proposal. United are monitoring the situation.
A problem, unlike pretty much all previous big Spurs sales, is that it’s not like the buyers are behaving like David Gill with Carrick in 2006 and telling Kane “we’re not going to run away”. They’re perfectly prepared to walk away.
The current United don’t have the same need for a striker since Edison Cavani re-signed, and will prioritise other positions. Chelsea and City are both prioritising Erling Haaland. Kane is not first choice for either, because of his age, against that six-year contract.
The uncomfortable truth for the striker is that it just doesn’t make that much sense in the modern market to pay that much for a player about to turn 28. They’d love him in their team, but not at that price, at that age. The market has significantly changed. There’s still too much of a huge gap between what any buyer would pay and what Levy would want.
It is why it remains remarkable that Kane signed that six-year deal. Many football representatives believe it is even more remarkable - and actually “staggering” - that he has not appointed one of the “super agents” to get this over the line. Using a figure with real leverage, who Spurs could greatly benefit from being owed favours from, could make an immense difference to the deal. It would certainly go further than fanciful notions about gentlemen’s agreements.
Spurs also know that Kane isn’t a “natural rebel”. He would be highly unlikely to invoke the Webster ruling, which could make things very messy. “If Spurs say no,” one source wonders, “what is he going to do? They know he’ll do nothing, other than stay and score 25 goals again next season.”
As appealing - and almost inevitable - as that sounds for Spurs, it is somewhat undercut by the same logic that may ultimately see buyers walk away.
Even before you get to the specific financial situation at White Hart Lane, there is at least a fair argument that selling Kane is the intelligent move - one that even makes more business sense for Levy. There is an inherent risk to a club anchoring so much of their medium-term future to a player in their late 20s.
They could drop off form. They could get injured. They might very quickly lose value. Some coaches have privately noted how Kane’s scoring has dropped off after the hour-mark of games this season, although that may have as much to do with the questions over Spurs’ conditioning under Jose Mourinho. That situation alone shows how quickly things can change.
This may be a rare chance to bring the funding that allows an overhaul, that can see Spurs become the fluid and smart club that it had looked for so long at the start of Pochettino’s time.
In the modern market, the most logical move of all may be to sell Kane for over £100m, and bring in a series of players under the age of 24 - that also allow a more fluid game. A fair counter-argument to that is what happened in 2013, and questions over the club’s recruitment.
Then again, they have brought in some good young players, and had earmarked Ruben Dias before he went to City. Some around the game feel the only realistic possibility for a sale is a buyer offering £100m and a “significant” player in return.
There are fair questions about what City or Chelsea player, say, would want to go to Spurs right now. That alone is why Levy’s stance isn’t as strong as usual. There are, for once, bigger factors in this whole saga than just paying the money.
The factors that will decide Harry Kane’s Tottenham future
There are fair questions and uncomfortable truths that go beyond just an asking price for England’s captain
www.independent.co.uk
Harry Kane: The factors that will decide Tottenham transfer saga
There are fair questions and uncomfortable truths that go beyond just an asking price for England’s captain
Miguel Delaney
Chief Football Writer
@MiguelDelaney
To get a sense of the kind of stance Harry Kane is facing, it is worth knowing Daniel Levy’s approach to one of the first major deals he was responsible for. It was, of course, a sale.
Michael Carrick was in a similar position to Kane in the summer of 2006 and felt that he needed to leave Tottenham Hotspur to fulfil his talent. In the end, the midfielder became so frustrated with Levy’s obstructive responses to Manchester United that he decided to call the Spurs chairman himself. The repeated message back was simple. “Well, they need to pay the money,” Levy said.
“It was all about the money for Daniel, just driving the price up and up,” Carrick wrote in his autobiography. “Arguing with Daniel was pointless. I would have got more joy talking to a brick wall.”
Carrick appealed again, and got the same response again. “Well, they need to pay the money.”
With Kane, it is now believed around the club that money “starts with a two”. Numerous sources say Levy would want at least £200m to even consider selling. That’s how important Kane is to the club. That’s the value of his goals, right down to how much they improve chances of regular Champions League qualification. It is way beyond even Gareth Bale in 2013. It is almost simple maths. But it isn’t that simple a situation.
Levy’s stance isn’t as sure-footed as it was in any of his previous big sales. Tottenham are still paying off a £1.2bn stadium, having also taken out a government loan. Some financial figures around the game feel the club are in a much more stretched economic position than is perceived, “the worst of the big six”.
They still don’t have a manager. The squad is in need of a refresh. That was true when Mauricio Pochettino left, and one reason for his final-season downturn. The tough reality to consider is that a significant sale could instantly solve a few problems - even if it comes with other costs of its own.
A squad without Kane may even affect that manager search. Some figures at the club are now seriously suggesting it could be worth returning to Pochettino. There is a feeling that he has found the nature of Paris Saint-Germain more of a headache to manage than expected, and may be open to it. Levy also feels the need for an exciting appointment, as a gesture to unhappy supporters as much as anything.
It says something, however, that not even Pochettino’s appointment would change Kane’s thinking. He now desperately wants to go. One of the juncture points in this entire saga, however, is how desperately any potential buyer wants him.
All would love him in the team, of course. That goes without saying. Chelsea are said to be the most willing buyers, but are aware of the political problems with any deal. Manchester City are preparing a proposal. United are monitoring the situation.
A problem, unlike pretty much all previous big Spurs sales, is that it’s not like the buyers are behaving like David Gill with Carrick in 2006 and telling Kane “we’re not going to run away”. They’re perfectly prepared to walk away.
The current United don’t have the same need for a striker since Edison Cavani re-signed, and will prioritise other positions. Chelsea and City are both prioritising Erling Haaland. Kane is not first choice for either, because of his age, against that six-year contract.
The uncomfortable truth for the striker is that it just doesn’t make that much sense in the modern market to pay that much for a player about to turn 28. They’d love him in their team, but not at that price, at that age. The market has significantly changed. There’s still too much of a huge gap between what any buyer would pay and what Levy would want.
It is why it remains remarkable that Kane signed that six-year deal. Many football representatives believe it is even more remarkable - and actually “staggering” - that he has not appointed one of the “super agents” to get this over the line. Using a figure with real leverage, who Spurs could greatly benefit from being owed favours from, could make an immense difference to the deal. It would certainly go further than fanciful notions about gentlemen’s agreements.
Spurs also know that Kane isn’t a “natural rebel”. He would be highly unlikely to invoke the Webster ruling, which could make things very messy. “If Spurs say no,” one source wonders, “what is he going to do? They know he’ll do nothing, other than stay and score 25 goals again next season.”
As appealing - and almost inevitable - as that sounds for Spurs, it is somewhat undercut by the same logic that may ultimately see buyers walk away.
Even before you get to the specific financial situation at White Hart Lane, there is at least a fair argument that selling Kane is the intelligent move - one that even makes more business sense for Levy. There is an inherent risk to a club anchoring so much of their medium-term future to a player in their late 20s.
They could drop off form. They could get injured. They might very quickly lose value. Some coaches have privately noted how Kane’s scoring has dropped off after the hour-mark of games this season, although that may have as much to do with the questions over Spurs’ conditioning under Jose Mourinho. That situation alone shows how quickly things can change.
This may be a rare chance to bring the funding that allows an overhaul, that can see Spurs become the fluid and smart club that it had looked for so long at the start of Pochettino’s time.
In the modern market, the most logical move of all may be to sell Kane for over £100m, and bring in a series of players under the age of 24 - that also allow a more fluid game. A fair counter-argument to that is what happened in 2013, and questions over the club’s recruitment.
Then again, they have brought in some good young players, and had earmarked Ruben Dias before he went to City. Some around the game feel the only realistic possibility for a sale is a buyer offering £100m and a “significant” player in return.
There are fair questions about what City or Chelsea player, say, would want to go to Spurs right now. That alone is why Levy’s stance isn’t as strong as usual. There are, for once, bigger factors in this whole saga than just paying the money.
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dimiSpur
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It's all very much still in the air. I quite appreciated Neville stating the obvious fact no news outlet has mentioned, that Harry did not say he wanted to leave but that he's at a crossroads in his career. This is absolutely true.
I think the best way of describing it is that Harry is minded to leave. He wants that discussion with Levy, to clarify the same things we want to clarify. Where the fuck is this Club going?
Hence why Harry said he needs an honest discussion - do we have the funds to go and buy those 2 or 3 class players that would transform us into contenders? Is the new manager really Graham Potter (or of a similar mediocre calibre)? If the answers to these questions do not satisfy Harry, then he's every right to say "well Danny boy I'm 27, I need to move on, I can't wait another 4 years for another project".
If that is the scenario under which he leaves, then I wish him all the best. If, however, the scenario is that he's hellbent on leaving no matter what, then it's rather different. City won the league yesterday, don't know if anyone watched the celebrations. It was all a little blaze. Yes Pep started crying over Aguero, but it had the sense of "another one". How special would one be with Spurs? The question is how realistic that it is and how long it might take for it to become a realistic prospect.
I think the best way of describing it is that Harry is minded to leave. He wants that discussion with Levy, to clarify the same things we want to clarify. Where the fuck is this Club going?
Hence why Harry said he needs an honest discussion - do we have the funds to go and buy those 2 or 3 class players that would transform us into contenders? Is the new manager really Graham Potter (or of a similar mediocre calibre)? If the answers to these questions do not satisfy Harry, then he's every right to say "well Danny boy I'm 27, I need to move on, I can't wait another 4 years for another project".
If that is the scenario under which he leaves, then I wish him all the best. If, however, the scenario is that he's hellbent on leaving no matter what, then it's rather different. City won the league yesterday, don't know if anyone watched the celebrations. It was all a little blaze. Yes Pep started crying over Aguero, but it had the sense of "another one". How special would one be with Spurs? The question is how realistic that it is and how long it might take for it to become a realistic prospect.
dimiSpur
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Absolutely this. And given the fact that Harry wants all personal records, we wouldn't see lesser performances you might see if you forced another player to stay.
Japhet
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Moving to an EPL rival will make it even less likely that we'll win anything, and Kane will be well aware of that. It would be a bitter blow to the club he says he loves and a slap in the face to the fans that adore him. Go abroad by all means, but joining City or, even worse Chelsea, would be a massive shit stain on his legacy at the club. Does he want to swap his legacy for (maybe) some silverware? The choice is his.
Spartanspurs
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Offer him a new contract, bump up his salary a bit and have a buy out clause that can be activated if we don't make the Champions League.
dimiSpur
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I agree with this, but the legacy has to be more than the UEFA Conference League. I assume he wants to know where we are heading as a club in the immediate future and that's not only fair but rather beneficial. The fact that we have a player capable of dragging us up to his world class level is fantastic.
So if Levy tells him we will recruit a "project manager", someone who will nurture young talent and in 2 or 3 years be in a position to challenge seriously again, then I don't he'd find that to be an enticing prospect.
There are a series of issues in a deal such as this, in times such as these. Can we afford not to sell? Can any club afford to buy? Do we have the financial capability to show we are serious about matching Kane's ambition and thus realistically entice him to want to stay? So many questions, so many variables we don't know the answer to.
Nebby
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I'm sure every player at the club is thinking the same way as Harry: what the hell is going on here?
It's quite remarkable that in such a short space of time we've gone from the final of the CL to finishing out the season with no recognised manager in charge.
It's quite remarkable that in such a short space of time we've gone from the final of the CL to finishing out the season with no recognised manager in charge.
EastLondonYid
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Harry gave his shirt to Scarlett yesterday..
Maybe I'm clutching here , but would Harry give away his last ever shirt playing for us?
I find that hard to believe......would he ?
Maybe I'm clutching here , but would Harry give away his last ever shirt playing for us?
I find that hard to believe......would he ?
Maybe Dane has shown great foresight and sought him out knowing he might not be there
theShiznit
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I agree with what you are saying but you just know the body language experts will say he's "passing on the mantle"
I've not really seen much of Scarlett but really like what I've seen of Parrott (well other than the company he keeps...
)Looking forward to seeing how both develop.
thebenjamin
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A good read...
The factors that will decide Harry Kane’s Tottenham future
There are fair questions and uncomfortable truths that go beyond just an asking price for England’s captain
yeah good article from Delaney. Biggest takeaways being that Levy will ask for £200M, and that Tottenham are financially a bit fucked.
