Highest transfer spend in Europe top 20 clubs

[Japhet]

In your car analogy, you can argue that it's something very personal to you, even though you're selling it and want to get the best price, it's still something that you used regularly, possibly enjoyed, spent time, effort and money on, so it means more than just 'some item' - hence the reason you'd get knarked at someone messing you around on price.

However, with regards to Berahino, Peace should've only viewed him as a business asset, one that was in demand at a very good price - at a business level he should've been thinking profit/loss, cash in the bank, increased disposable income, but instead he made it personal, just like @theShiznit said earlier, he just wanted to get one over on Levy and look like the big-man!! In the end he's massaged his own ego but in the long run done himself no favours whatsoever.

Yep, fully on board with what you say but I'd also add that the process of negotiation is never improved by an adversarial stance. If somebody (Peace) has an asset (Berahino) that you want, trying to back him into a corner can make some people very defensive. In that situation a belligerent character like Peace will often come out 'all guns blazing' and sacrifice any deal to maintain their own self respect. Not good business, but it happens. Levy needs to recognise that it does and sometimes be a bit more accommodating. If he was prepared to offer the asking price in cash he should not have left it the last hour when it was of no use to WBA.

 

[aldarion]

People react differently. Some love to haggle, some don't. If I'm selling a car and one person has pissed me off with low ball offers or whatever, I'd sooner let somebody else have it a bit cheaper who is more respectful. In the past I've told people to f*** off even when they've eventually come up to full price because I'm an obstinate git and if I dislike somebody there's no going back. It's easy for Levy to say people shouldn't take things personally because that is how he is. He'd do well to at least acknowledge that not all successful business people are as abrasive as he is.

Agreed, but most are.

 

[Bulletspur]

Berahino might be able to do a webster but that will end any chance of him joining us. If levy signed a webster it would make kane, carroll, pritchard etc... virtually worthless. We would lose £millions off the value of the squad which means it will wipe £millions off the value of the club. With the loss of value of the club being reduced it's doubtful that the banks would be willing to loan us the money for the new stadium.
Not going to happen. We will have to wait till january.

What is a Webster?

 

[Lilbaz]

What is a Webster?

A player who has been at a club for 10 years can buy out their contract and leave the club.
The chairmen of football clubs around europe agreed not to sign anyone using this rule as it could destroy transfer fees. Imagine messi just buying the last couple of his years out and walking for a free? It also leaves it open for various other eu courtcases. Why 10 years? Why not 0? Why would the player have to pay what he was going to recieve to the club etc...
There is a thread on it somewhere.

 

[Bulletspur]

A player who has been at a club for 10 years can buy out their contract and leave the club.
The chairmen of football clubs around europe agreed not to sign anyone using this rule as it could destroy transfer fees. Imagine messi just buying the last couple of his years out and walking for a free? It also leaves it open for various other eu courtcases. Why 10 years? Why not 0? Why would the player have to pay what he was going to recieve to the club etc...
There is a thread on it somewhere.

Thanks for explanation @Lilbaz!

 

[ERO]

I hate the whole gross spend statistic, net spend is a much bigger indicator of actual expenditure and would highlight how even West Bromwich spent more of their other funds (TV revenue etc...) than we did.

Yet gross spend is continuously highly correlated with finishing position in the league, whereas net spend is not.

 

[whitestreak]

Not quite right...heres thread
http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/sb-and-that-tweet-webster.121571/

and why it will happen regardless
http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/ind...-there-in-the-real-world.121600/#post-4779000

 

[whitestreak]

Net spend is generally a nonsense
eg take Chelsea and Man City, and any of the other top 6 clubs
they have spent 100 of m and in some cases £b .
They can still recoup some huge money, whereas Norwich for example could spend at the extreme 100m
would not mean they were better placed
Plus as we found out you have to spend it wisely
Just look at what RM, Barca, spent Gross this season, never mind the Goons and even Chelsea
The less money you spent before the more you need to spend now
BUT
check this out
http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/ind...-there-in-the-real-world.121600/#post-4779000

 

[SirNiNyHotspur]

gross spend means little, if you're constantly selling your best assets and buying players you don't need (player trading in Levys words) to keep net spend down it's little wonder we've had 1 cup and little else in 15 years...

 

[brendanb50]

I wanted an attractive attacking balanced squad ...... funny how fans want different things from transfer windows

What have their looks got to do with it??

 

[Lilbaz]

gross spend means little, if you're constantly selling your best assets and buying players you don't need (player trading in Levys words) to keep net spend down it's little wonder we've had 1 cup and little else in 15 years...

Yet when the two biggest clubs in the world come after your players it's incredibly difficult to keep hold of them. Man utd have even sold their best to madrid.

 

[JonnySpurs]

People react differently. Some love to haggle, some don't. If I'm selling a car and one person has pissed me off with low ball offers or whatever, I'd sooner let somebody else have it a bit cheaper who is more respectful. In the past I've told people to f*** off even when they've eventually come up to full price because I'm an obstinate git and if I dislike somebody there's no going back. It's easy for Levy to say people shouldn't take things personally because that is how he is. He'd do well to at least acknowledge that not all successful business people are as abrasive as he is.

I do agree and i was going to say in my post that the flip of this is that Levy has to be more flexible and open to the fact that not everyone does business the way he does. I do think though that Peace needs to wake up and smell the coffee and recognise he needs to change as much as Levy does, hopefully they'll meet in the middle in January and be able to do a deal.

Doubt it tho

 

[whitestreak]

Lillbaz in our debate in the other thread, you could say that no one wants a high profile situation pulling down the whole house of cards...so the clubs let em go! rather than risking the fight

 

[SirNiNyHotspur]

Yet when the two biggest clubs in the world come after your players it's incredibly difficult to keep hold of them. Man utd have even sold their best to madrid.

My points were 1 of two things often happens:

1. We only spend when we sell our best players instead of actually net spending and building on what we have when we do have gems.
2. Levy stockpiles players for positions we often don't need as he sees as value to pay for the next windows transfers, it's why we're always having to shift about 10 deadwood before we can buy...

Net spend very much has to do with our lack of success.

 

[Lilbaz]

My points were 1 of two things often happens:

1. We only spend when we sell our best players instead of actually net spending and building on what we have when we do have gems.
2. Levy stockpiles players for positions we often don't need as he sees as value to pay for the next windows transfers, it's why we're always having to shift about 10 deadwood before we can buy...

Net spend very much has to do with our lack of success.

Yet we are financially tied until the stadium is built. Where is the net spend going to come from? Or is it you think that joe should put his had in his pocket? How much should he give us? Chelsea and city spent £1bn on players to get where they are. Doubt joe could afford that without selling off his other businesses not that ffp would allow. So how much net spend should we manage?

 

[SirNiNyHotspur]

Yet we are financially tied until the stadium is built. Where is the net spend going to come from? Or is it you think that joe should put his had in his pocket? How much should he give us? Chelsea and city spent £1bn on players to get where they are. Doubt joe could afford that without selling off his other businesses not that ffp would allow. So how much net spend should we manage?

So how many years do ENIC get to use the stadium as an excuse for lack of success? they've been around 15 years... There have been a few seasons where a little investment may have been the difference between 3rd/4th/5th or even better, wouldn't have meant going bankrupt, wouldn't have seen the end of these endless stadium plans... There is a lot more tv money going into premier league clubs, little clubs are buying bigger than us, Spurs is one of the most expensive to watch, yet ENIC seem happy to let fans go by with little success whilst they build their investment, and yes that may not be mutually exclusive but it has been so far, and at the rate ENIC are going it may be my grand-kids, not me that get to see otherwise, or maybe we'll just never get to that bright future as there'll be another excuse then...

 

[Dillspur]

ENIC will sell once the stadium is built, our value will never be higher, brand new stadium, state of the art training facility, rejuvenation of the area, middle of a massive deal with Sky, just need a little investment in the team and boom you got yourself a title challenging team

 

[DCSPUR]

two identical resumes - one says net spend is a nonsense/ a fiction/ means nothing.....the other understands the concept.
Which person do you hire for your business? Me I'm going for the one who understands the concept.
Long way of saying that our position on this list doesn't mean much - maybe means nothing

 

[Lilbaz]

Bale, bought for £6m, sold for £84m net spend - £78m.

Is that bad business?

 

[Ironskullll]

Shows how important it is for us to get good value for the players we are selling. Every penny recouped does seem to go on outgoings. To have a big window in either January or next summer we will be running out of "deadwood" to sell and will probably see someone like Lloris or Eriksen go to fund any big deals we want to do.

So.... we need more deadwood!!!