Injury Updates

[Kiedis]

We've hardly had muscular injuries under Poch before, so seeing so many players struggling was a bit worrying.

 

[DanielT]

Walker was sprinting full pace after he seemed to pick up his injury so I am guessing it was just a touch of cramp

 

[TommyGee]

We've hardly had muscular injuries under Poch before, so seeing so many players struggling was a bit worrying.

Wouldn't be surprised if Poch absolutely ran the legs off the squad in training following the Monaco loss tbh.

They'll be right.

 

[EQP]

Just so im clear, you think the club spends Gazzilions on players, training facilities, monitors Heart-rate zones, power stats, red and white blood-cell counts, individual fitness thresholds (plus a whole host of metrics that weve probably never even heard of and wouldnt know what they meant anyway) but has forgotten (or failed) to monitor fatigue levels?
Id humbly suggest that you might be underestimating them on this.

I made a thread highlighting how the physios/medical staff are rarely to blame for injuries.

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/ind...s-medical-staff-athletic-improvements.106855/

 

[onthetwo]

A lot of footballers are ruined by the time they retire because of the pressure to play despite injuries. Steroid injections destroy their joints and cause arthritis.

The club cares about making money for their shareholders and that means their best players out on the pitch week in, week out.

Also may players will play on because of they worry about losing their place.

Kane was inevitable because he's been over worked.

to your point about making money for shareholders etc, players purchased are capitalised as assets on the balance sheet meaning that if they are flogged on the field, reducing their useful lives as players, then there will be a -ve effect on finances as the value of the player/asset gets written down . Id suggest thats another reason why the club have a very good sense of how tired players are from one match to another.

 

[EQP]

Think it is the training, married with low recovery periods, which only suits very few anatomies, so you must rely much more on elite nutrition/recovery techniques, or higher 60minute sub rotation. No doubt there is a strong focus, but feel this side (Nutrition/Recovery) is not sufficient, either that must improve or training scaled back is all I'm implying really.

Again, as it seems folks can't believe I might have some (offbeat) expertise here, Klopp referred to Poch's methods as one which 'Kills players'.

The slow starts and ends of the season are there for all to see.

Plenty of reasons for injuries, I made a thread covering the most of them.

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/ind...s-medical-staff-athletic-improvements.106855/

 

[Spurslove]

We've hardly had muscular injuries under Poch before, so seeing so many players struggling was a bit worrying.

I'm particularly worried about Kane. That looked like a nasty one. Looking at the slow-mo of his attempted tackle, it looked like he could have torn the ligaments in his ankle, or even broken it.

 

[thinktank]

Think it is the training, married with low recovery periods, which only suits very few anatomies, so you must rely much more on elite nutrition/recovery techniques, or higher 60minute sub rotation. No doubt there is a strong focus, but feel this side (Nutrition/Recovery) is not sufficient, either that must improve or training scaled back is all I'm implying really.

Again, as it seems folks can't believe I might have some (offbeat) expertise here, Klopp referred to Poch's methods as one which 'Kills players'.

The slow starts and ends of the season are there for all to see.

Nah.

 

[Lemon]

Nah.

Sorry but it is. Simply put, there are too many miles in their legs, relative to the techniques being employed to recover them.

 

[Jack]

Think it is the training, married with low recovery periods, which only suits very few anatomies, so you must rely much more on elite nutrition/recovery techniques, or higher 60minute sub rotation. No doubt there is a strong focus, but feel this side (Nutrition/Recovery) is not sufficient, either that must improve or training scaled back is all I'm implying really.

Again, as it seems folks can't believe I might have some (offbeat) expertise here, Klopp referred to Poch's methods as one which 'Kills players'.

The slow starts and ends of the season are there for all to see.

Our slow starts and end of season collapses have been around far longer than Poch has been.

 

[mattie g]

Rub some dirt on it and get back out there.

 

[Lemon]

Plenty of reasons for injuries, I made a thread covering the most of them.

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/ind...s-medical-staff-athletic-improvements.106855/

What does your piece say about having 4 in one game? Early in the season.

 

[eddiev14]

You forgot Walker, yep all just coincidental, after I've been openly critical of those away with England not getting either the recovery, or dietary assistance. Then we see three of them with issues (Rose, Walker, Dier) and a fourth with an ankle injury.

Interestingly, to me anyway, is the more athletic middle distance build Dele is Ok but not right at it. Eriksen never really sprints, but is out of sorts...

I was going to @ you about this one actually, because - as you say - you've written some interesting posts about this stuff, and not just related to the lack of lemons in their diet.

I think you're right.

It cannot just be a coincidence, especially if you consider the three that did grab their hamstrings all went to the Euros at the summer and were rarely rested last season.

I'm actually rather worried about what might be around the corner, injuries-wise, especially given that Poch is already so publically blaming international football.

 

[thinktank]

Sorry but it is. Simply put, there are too many miles in their legs, relative to the techniques being employed to recover them.

Poch is meticulous in this regard and they are very closely monitored. We've only just started the season, so any talk of tiredness and lack of recovery can only be levied at the Euros having a lingering effect on some of the lads.

 

[EQP]

What does your piece say about having 4 in one game? Early in the season.

Could be a training workload issue. Its funny that the hamstring tightness incidents happened in the game right after Poch came out and said that we need to be more aggressive and have passion. Maybe he threw in a double session post Monaco game to get the players re-focused or maybe the player took it upon themselves to show that they are dedicated to the team and did some added training . Remember Poch and his staff are with the players for a max 6 hours a day, the other 18 hours are vital to how it all comes together.

 

[philip]

We've hardly had muscular injuries under Poch before, so seeing so many players struggling was a bit worrying.

Must be to do with the Wembley pitch.

Somewhere in the back of my mind I thin I remember arsenal having that issue when they played there

 

[agrdavidsfan]

I think poch hammered them in training after the monanco game and it very nearly backfired

 

[thinktank]

I think poch hammered them in training after the monanco game and it very nearly backfired

Doubt that, mate. He may have given them an ear-blasting - and should have - but I doubt he ran them ragged with another game happening 4 days later. He doesn't make emotional decisions like that and lash out in that respect.

He would have remained methodical but impressed on them that the intensity in training - which I believe is consistently high - needs to translate to match-days.

 

[agrdavidsfan]

Doubt that, mate. He may have given them an ear-blasting - and should have - but I doubt he ran them ragged with another game happening 4 days later. He doesn't make emotional decisions like that and lash out in that respect.

He would have remained methodical but impressed on them that the intensity in training - which I believe is consistently high - needs to translate to match-days.

It was just strange to see so many with hamstrings,

Maybe it was just the way we chased the game vs Monaco on the bigger pitch a little bit of fatigue.

Be Spurs is luck though hardly any injuries under poch then loads in one game

 

[FreddieYid]

Must be to do with the Wembley pitch.

Somewhere in the back of my mind I thin I remember arsenal having that issue when they played there

they can't still be blaming the Wembley pitch for their huge injury list 17 years later.