James Maddison

[vegassd]

I mean, I'll take both your word for it, but it seems strange that said agreement isn't just "subject to current information and on the basis that a greater bid is not otherwise accepted before the end of the transfer window"

If that were the case then all transfers would happen on deadline day. Every club would be waiting to see if a higher offer came in.

Im sure there will be some examples of deals that have collapsed or quickly switched at the eleventh hour, but in general I think once an agreement is made it will tend to stick.

 

[crazyguitarman]

I always thought of it like this, where either club can pull out of the deal up until step 3 is completed:

1. Buying club makes bid to selling club (with deadline to respond)
2. Buying club offers personal terms (with deadline to respond)
3. Deal finalised within X days of agreeing personal terms (point of no return)

Obviously there is some good faith required, i.e. if the selling club just lets it expire after agreeing personal terms then the whole process has to start again, and there's a chance of the buying club doesn't come back in. If a fee is agreed in the first place then it's in the interest of the selling club to sell, so it doesn't make sense for them to let it get to that point and have it expire just in the hope that another club will come in with a greater bid.

 

[Yid121]

Especially when you consider apart from LCB we've hit everyone of our preferred targets.

Credit to paratici and levy, we've got it done in very good time and this was the summer to nail it with conte at the helm

 

[Chris2403]

I always thought of it like this, where either club can pull out of the deal up until step 3 is completed:

1. Buying club makes bid to selling club (with deadline to respond)
2. Buying club offers personal terms (with deadline to respond)
3. Deal finalised within X days of agreeing personal terms (point of no return)

Obviously there is some good faith required, i.e. if the selling club just lets it expire after agreeing personal terms then the whole process has to start again, and there's a chance of the buying club doesn't come back in. If a fee is agreed in the first place then it's in the interest of the selling club to sell, so it doesn't make sense for them to let it get to that point and have it expire just in the hope that another club will come in with a greater bid.

Why would a club come in and make a higher bid though? They already know that they don’t have to do that, because a price as been accepted! All they would be doing by making a higher bid is reducing the players options, which the player probably wouldn’t be very happy about!

 

[crazyguitarman]

Why would a club come in and make a higher bid though? They already know that they don’t have to do that, because a price as been accepted! All they would be doing by making a higher bid is reducing the players options, which the player probably wouldn’t be very happy about!

So that the selling club then reject the offer from the other buying club? If you can't compete on personal terms (for example because of CL, etc.), then compete on financial terms, if you have the financial power to do so?

I think it's just usually the case that those with European football can also out-compete on financial terms, which I would suggest is why it more frequently tends to come down to the contract being offered.

Trying to be objective about it- I don't have the impression that Maddison is the kind of player to really give a shit about whether he plays for Spurs or Newcastle. It's basically a coin flip whether any given player prefers more money vs CL football and he's not stated any kind of preference about playing for Spurs.

 

[archiewasking]

Wasn’t it a fact that when we signed Crouch, another team offered more than us, but he was only interested in Spurs. So the selling club had to accept the lower price and let him come to us? I imagine that could happen again if the selling club is desperate for the money. Not that that matters a jot, as the ITKs reckon our interest in Maddison has cooled.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Guys, there are 3 parties to a player transfer - the two clubs and the player.

Look at the Kounde deal - Chelsea offered more money than Barça, but the player wanted Barça, and reduced the leverage of Sevilla to accept the higher bid.

 

[crazyguitarman]

Yes, I am agreeing with everyone who is saying the player has a say in who he will or will not sign for. My point is that also the selling club has a say. It's not a given that a player will refuse to sign for anybody other than us, and the selling club is going to steer him towards the club who bids the most money. Maddison has given no indication of a preference one way or the other.

 

[archiewasking]

Yes, I am agreeing with everyone who is saying the player has a say in who he will or will not sign for. My point is that also the selling club has a say. It's not a given that a player will refuse to sign for anybody other than us, and the selling club is going to steer him towards the club who bids the most money. Maddison has given no indication of a preference one way or the other.

Thought we had ITK that he wanted to talk to us??

 

[werty]

If he has footballing ambitions, he chooses to play in the champions league with the England captain.

Or he'll go to a team where he'll be a guaranteed starter and try and force his way into the England squad for the World Cup.

 

[AJW]

With Chelsea looking to pay big for Fofana I would predict this would be dead afterwards (assuming it was ever alive)

 

[JW72]

Or he'll go to a team where he'll be a guaranteed starter and try and force his way into the England squad for the World Cup.

A team like Leicester maybe…

 

[werty]

A team like Leicester maybe…

Maybe. But I imagine Newcastle are more attractive club to play for now than Leicester, unless he has a conscience.

 

[JW72]

Maybe. But I imagine Newcastle are more attractive club to play for now than Leicester, unless he has a conscience.

Comment made in jest originally but thinking about it, if regular starting and the WC are his priority, then staying put - where he is a prized asset, knows teammates, coaches and his role - would seem the best option.

 

[Scouseyid]

Maybe. But I imagine Newcastle are more attractive club to play for now than Leicester, unless he has a conscience.

He's a footballer, of course he doesn't!

 

[worcestersauce]

With Chelsea looking to pay big for Fofana I would predict this would be dead afterwards (assuming it was ever alive)

I think Leicester would prefer to sell Maddison rather than Fofana. Fofana is on a long contract and seen as part of their future whereas Maddison has two years and seems to have made it clear he's not renewing.
Whether that's of any interest to us though is another matter.

 

[sundanceyid10]

A couple of things, what you are suggesting simply wouldn't and doesn't happen in football. Newcastle would not up their bid further to try and get the player. They may offer higher wages than us in that scenario but if they have a bid accepted, Leicester would most likely accept our bid at the similar value, and the two teams would fight over the player based off personal terms and the project they present as a club.

I also know that people think Newcastle are going to be spending crazy amounts with their money. Thus far, they have been very deliberate about not overpaying substantially for players as they don't want to set that type of standard straight away to where they are expected to pay over the odds going forward. The fact they bid 30 million for Maddison as their first bid gives you an idea of the price range they would be willing to go with.

Newcastle will keep going like that until they get frustrated at not progressing fast enough and then just spend like crazy and buy success.

 

[Beefyboy]

This seems absolutely dead in the water?

Other than a few bits 2 weeks ago saying we liked him.....there's been absolutely nothing.

 

[tiger666]

No way this happens imo

 

[AJW]

No way this happens imo

I think the fact it’s a World Cup year also doesn’t help at all. He would not be a guaranteed starter which is what he needs to push to be in the England squad