Jose Mourinho

[Deleted member 27995]

Lose against Chelsea and WBA and things would get real tough for Levy.

I genuinely think the Chelsea game will be hard to overlook - it's Chelsea - if he and the team can't garner a reaction after the last two matches (not ignoring the league form before that, obviously) then what hope is there exactly?

 

[idontgetit]

Why is the problem? He is one of the most successful managers in the modern game.

For the same reason it didn't work out for him at Manchester United.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Redknapp did well too.

He was great, and I miss how exciting we were at times with him, but the fall from grace from free flowing title challengers to missing out on CL because Messi and Robben forgot how to take penalties was so unexpected and fast moving that I never had time to ask ‘do I want him in or out’? A bit like Pochettino at the end of 15/16.... our collapse was upsetting but nowhere near enough for me to want him gone and while I can’t say I was shocked by just departure, I certainly didn’t expect it. To my mind there was nothing to turnaround, he was the best manager we’d had in my lifetime playing the best football and I thought he’d be starting the 12/13 season at the helm.

 

[homer hotspur]

Why not?

Too many reasons to bother with. Feel free to come back and gloat if it does and I will happily give you a trophy rating.
I'm not expecting to give you a trophy rating.

 

[rossdapep]

Assuming Levy doesn’t sack Mourinho and gives him until the end of the season irregardless of if we win a trophy or finish in the top 6, we could be facing a summer where:

1. Lloris has one year left on his contract and has had enough. Leaving us with a giant hole in goal. - If he wants to go, sign Pope. It at least cures the issue of HG players and he's a very good GK. Would miss Hugo but he's been here a long time.
2. Reguilon is desperate to return to Real Madrid and they activate his buy back clause. - Don't see this as they have Mendy and are trying to get Alaba. Besides a new coach may enthuse the lad.
3. We need a commanding, genuinely world class centre back with no money to buy one due to a poor league performance and lack of fans in the stadium. - Well the club can't NOT buy anyone because it could get much worse, the club have to believe that we will be back in the stadium,
4. Aurier, whether you love him or hate him, has been our best right back but he’s now desperate to leave but struggles to find suitors because Jose has thrown him under a bus, and: Clubs will want him, French clubs are probably wanting him. The issue is how much does Levy value him at?
5. Doherty struggles to find suitors because he’s dog shit. Leaving us with an unhappy player with a year left and an obscenely poor player completely out of his depth. Can we justifiably buy another right back in this instance? Buy one RB with the sale of Aurier - Aarons if we get a coach whose more about system/youth, Doherty will have to stay as back up for now.
6. Ndombele realises he made a huge mistake and pushes for a move elsewhere - He's on a loooong contract, the club will demand 60m and no-one will pay it. I also think his main issue at this time is Jose not the club. Anyway if we got 60m for him, we could at least speed it across two positions.
7. Gareth Bale returns to Real Madrid with his tail between his legs - At this point, this isn't an issue
8. Dele Alli kicks up a stink and demands a transfer - Depends on if Mourinho stays on doesn't it? He goes and Dele is given a new chance under a new coach.
9. Heung Min Son refuses to sign a new contract due to a complete lack of ambition, and similarly: - The club will have to convince by spending, they don't and he will certainly question it
10. Kane wants to leave to actually win the silverware he deserves whilst also having to deal with the inevitable fact that: - This is a genuine real worry, I agree
11. Vinicius returns to Benfica leaving us in the strikingly familiar situation of needing a striker to back up Kane. - I still don't believe he was the one the club wanted, hence the loan, it was just to keep us ticking over and if he turned out to be golden it would have been a bonus but I'm starting to think Jose wanted him just for cover in cups and had no intention of starting him in league games whilst resting Kane, unless the league is already gone
    
    The future is bright, innit? - Football can change quickly. If Jose goes and the club were to bring in any of Rodgers, Nagelsmann, Rose, Marsch, etc, etc, you would see a shift in personnel. Lucas, Sissoko, Dier, etc would all be cast aside as these coaches prefer technical players and players with energy. Sessegnon, Clarke, Skipp, Parrott, Tanganga, White would all be trusted a hell of a lot more because they would buy into the ethos immediately. It would be a new beginning, one of those situations you don't really see coming, such as it was with Poch.

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

Why is the problem? He is one of the most successful managers in the modern game.

And Bale was one of the best players on the planet a couple of years ago. Like Bale, football has left Mourinho behind.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

So how did he manage to win all those trophies at Porto, Chelsea, Inter, Madrid, United if they were all too scared to perform.

Maybe Jose needs a Fluffer in the dressing room

Jose has to shoulder plenty of blame but the players are weak mentally. Most of them couldn't hold a candle to even the most average players in his top sides.

Isnt he here to coach that into them?

What about the ones HE brought in?

That argument doesn't stack up to me.

 

[mrlilywhite]

The manager is the problem. Or to be more accurate, he's our biggest problem. There are problems with the squad but they are fixable.

Yes, absolutely this. As much as I hate seeing what Jose is giving us, you can't escape the fact that we have issues in the squad too. There is potential for sure, but there are def players we need to move on. This squad has more in it than what Jose can get out of them & that is through stubbornness, arrogance & JM's egotistical nature. The style (if you can call it that) or brand of football he has brought to the club is leaving us with an identity crisis and the players are clearly not buying into it, even Pullis's Stoke showed more flair than we are currently able to muster. Yes there have been games where we have looked bloody awesome, but it's like he pulls the leash in just when we are gaining confidence. He drops the backline, has us sitting behind the ball with no press to speak of and playing on the strengths of Kane & Son. It's like he totally ignores what the rest of the players can actually do. His system makes us look like amateurs having a Sunday league play around.

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

I generally agree with all the points you make. My main point was that, hypothetically, if we are dealing with a summer anything like that, it’ll be a fucking nightmare to manage.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

Too many reasons to bother with. Feel free to come back and gloat if it does and I will happily give you a trophy rating.
I'm not expecting to give you a trophy rating.

Fucking hell

 

[dbspurs]

Isnt he here to coach that into them?

What about the ones HE brought in?

That argument doesn't stack up to me.

The ones he has brought in, Doherty and Gedson, aside, have been performing well.

Are you telling me that Hoijberg, Rodon, Bergwijn and Reguilon haven't been playing alright and showing decent mentality?

 

[rossdapep]

Rodgers would be the ideal appointment but doubt could convince him to leave Leicester

He'd leave Leicester a 1000%. He left Swansea and Celtic without as much as a hesitation and he thinks real highly of himself.

Leicester, as well as they are doing, have a ceiling and there's a good chance they won't get top 4 if Chelsea/Arsenal improve. Their better players will always be picked off by bigger clubs and there's always the risk it goes stale at Leicester and he's no longer hot property for bigger clubs.

Our ceiling is much higher and the stadium, the salary he could earn, the potential to work with players like Kane, Son & Ndombele, whilst being able to sign better players (I know Leicester's recruitment has been better but it's still true) and working for a club with a higher profile will certainly appeal to him.

The problem is I don't really like him!!

 

[sidford]

As much as I want him gone I just can't see anything changing with his position until much closer towards the end of the season.
He is blessed that fans aren't in stadiums as he could be gone by end of this week If they were but this will buy him some more time.

Looks like the start of the inevitable shit show of a long goodbye which is what a lot of us feared when he joined.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

The problem is I don't really like him!!

Nor me particularly but I didn’t like Harry much before he joined us either. But like Harry at the time, the club would benefit from him being here.

 

[King of Otters]

He'd leave Leicester a 1000%. He left Swansea and Celtic without as much as a hesitation and he thinks real highly of himself.

Leicester, as well as they are doing, have a ceiling and there's a good chance they won't get top 4 if Chelsea/Arsenal improve. Their better players will always be picked off by bigger clubs and there's always the risk it goes stale at Leicester and he's no longer hot property for bigger clubs.

Our ceiling is much higher and the stadium, the salary he could earn, the potential to work with players like Kane, Son & Ndombele, whilst being able to sign better players (I know Leicester's recruitment has been better but it's still true) and working for a club with a higher profile will certainly appeal to him.

The problem is I don't really like him!!

Said it before and I’ll say it again, I would rather have the vengeful ghost of Fred West as our manager than that cheesy twat.

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

I thought the same three or four weeks ago but I’m not sure he can do it.

Thing is, when Pochettino first started, he had to route out the problem players. The ones knocking on his door and rebelling against the training methods. He was backed and things went from strength to strength.... to almost winning something.

I get everyones frustrations, I share them. But the team is in a wierd place and whilst another coach might show us some more attractive football, I don't think they could improve the league position with the players that are currently available.

Time is a rare luxury for anyone in the game though. He knows that. I think tactical changes are due.

 

[SUIYHA]

He'd leave Leicester a 1000%. He left Swansea and Celtic without as much as a hesitation and he thinks real highly of himself.

Leicester, as well as they are doing, have a ceiling and there's a good chance they won't get top 4 if Chelsea/Arsenal improve. Their better players will always be picked off by bigger clubs and there's always the risk it goes stale at Leicester and he's no longer hot property for bigger clubs.

Our ceiling is much higher and the stadium, the salary he could earn, the potential to work with players like Kane, Son & Ndombele, whilst being able to sign better players (I know Leicester's recruitment has been better but it's still true) and working for a club with a higher profile will certainly appeal to him.

The problem is I don't really like him!!

Rodgers teams play great football, but tend to have real defensive weaknesses and have a tendency to bottle things at crucial points of the season. So he'd fit in perfectly here then.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Yeah, I really don't see Jose going mid season regardless of what happens. Technically we are already in 1 final, in the Europa League knock out stages and still 6th in the league. Aside from that we wouldn't be able to get anyone of note to come in.

That being said, I am extremely worried, we look completely tactically lost and the players, all the players, look lacking of belief that we can actually achieve anything. I think Kane getting injured was the final nail as unfortunately, much like everyone else, they realise we are completely dependent on long balls up to Kane and Son.

I'm not really going to comment on Jose, my concerns about him have been here from the start and they are, unfortunately, seemingly coming true. I just don't think he was ever the right fit for us and I believe he is at that point in his career where he should be managing at an international level. But that being said I still hope he can change something, because Levy is not going to be sacking him any time soon.

 

[Marcus_spur]

Give Harry Redknapp the likes of Ndombele, Kane, Son, and Dele and we'd be playing much, much better football than the turgid shite we've been served up by Mourinho.

Tbf they would be playing better with no manager , than under Jose... which is basically Harry's managerial style - run about a bit and have fun!

 

[Spurzinho]

Thing is, when Pochettino first started, he had to route out the problem players. The ones knocking on his door and rebelling against the training methods. He was backed and things went from strength to strength.... to almost winning something.

I get everyones frustrations, I share them. But the team is in a wierd place and whilst another coach might show us some more attractive football, I don't think they could improve the league position with the players that are currently available.

Time is a rare luxury for anyone in the game though. He knows that. I think tactical changes are due.

I just don't buy it. Jose is who Jose is. He can't change, even if really wanted to. Its just his DNA. The idea that he's going to suddenly get us playing progressive, confident and imaginative football is beyond credibility.