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Jose Mourinho

How do you feel about Mourinho appointment

  • Excited - silverware here we come baby

    Votes: 666 46.7%
  • Meh - will give him a chance and hope he is successful

    Votes: 468 32.8%
  • Horrified - praying for the day he'll fuck off

    Votes: 292 20.5%

  • Total voters
    1,426

shelfboy68

Well-Known Member
Jun 14, 2008
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It's easy to demand success when you have the spending power of a small country. And you SHOULD be demanding it. We are no less ambitious, we simply can't compete financially with 5 other clubs. I am stunned that sections of fans still can't grasp this simple fact. They think money just materializes out of thin air. I guaranty, if we went with their model of spending, we end up going bust, they will be the first in line to critisize the board for listening to the fans.
This old chestnut getting rolled out again oh we are going to do a Leeds or a Portsmouth absolute bollocks, there is so much money knocking around these days that old adage doesn't ring true I'm stunned that some of you can't grasp that.
 

yiddopaul

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Dec 28, 2005
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I don’t think it’s that we can’t it’s that as a club we do not want to. Levy runs the club in a certain way and that will not change regardless of how much we want it to.

Now if Uncle Joe suddenly became insanely benevolent overnight and changed the way we operate then we could compete financially.
Levy runs the club based on how much money we have to spend. Simple. It's how any business should be run. They are not doing anything wrong. To say they are not ambitious is crazy. They have just built the best football stadium on the planet. Best training facilities. To build a club capable of sustained success, the infrastructure needs to be in place. It is now, we still have to pay for this billion pound stadium. At some point, we would have had to do all of the above. We still spent £100m+ In the summer, which is not too shabby considering. What fans like you are saying, is that we should be getting into debt of £400m or so as that is what it will cost to fund a title winning rebuild, because it would be debt. We do not have that money just lying around. Do you really want to put the clubs future at stake?
 
May 17, 2018
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This old chestnut getting rolled out again oh we are going to do a Leeds or a Portsmouth absolute bollocks, there is so much money knocking around these days that old adage doesn't ring true I'm stunned that some of you can't grasp that.

The economy has increased, so it's actually more likely. Players cost proportionally the same (vs prize money) as they did then, but they are proportionally far higher than the 'normal' income of a club (ticket sales/merch).

If the arse fell out of the PL prize money at a moment's notice, we'd be one of the few clubs that'd survive. That also applies to relegation, as per the reason why so many teams drop down like a stone.
 

yiddopaul

Well-Known Member
Dec 28, 2005
3,453
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This old chestnut getting rolled out again oh we are going to do a Leeds or a Portsmouth absolute bollocks, there is so much money knocking around these days that old adage doesn't ring true I'm stunned that some of you can't grasp that.
Yes, there's more money around. And guess what? Every sod wants some of it. Players wages have shot through the roof, average players (even bad players) sell for 10's of millions. That's not counting the type of quality we would need to challenge. We're not just sitting on a pile of cash wondering how we can spend it. It's relative, it's like your house price goes up and you think you have all this extra money, well everyone else's house has gone up at the same rate, so you're no better off. Unless you buy in a cheaper area or downgrade.

*edit* oops, sorry. I forgot this is the Jose thread.
 

John48

Well-Known Member
Aug 31, 2015
2,249
3,143
This is a chicken and egg situation and is never resolved.

Not really, what happens on he pitch determines the atmosphere in the stadium. No one pays their money to see turgid boring football & currently it would be great to see them play some football. When we have it's been in isolation, i.e. Dele's winner against Brighton, but we played very little football against either Norwich or Southampton.

As for Poch, the players might have been getting bored with training etc., one of the ways around this is to keep refreshing the squad which is something we didn't really do under Poch, so there were very few new faces to push those in the 1st team or create competition in training.
 

Metalhead

But that's a debate for another thread.....
Nov 24, 2013
25,425
38,457
Failure to have CL for next season, would not sit well with Levy.
I think that he knows that it's not going to be a quick fix. I know that there are a section of fans that don't want Jose there but I really think that he'll get at least two seasons.
 

RichieS

Well-Known Member
Dec 23, 2004
11,916
16,436
Levy runs the club based on how much money we have to spend. Simple. It's how any business should be run. They are not doing anything wrong. To say they are not ambitious is crazy. They have just built the best football stadium on the planet. Best training facilities. To build a club capable of sustained success, the infrastructure needs to be in place. It is now, we still have to pay for this billion pound stadium. At some point, we would have had to do all of the above. We still spent £100m+ In the summer, which is not too shabby considering. What fans like you are saying, is that we should be getting into debt of £400m or so as that is what it will cost to fund a title winning rebuild, because it would be debt. We do not have that money just lying around. Do you really want to put the clubs future at stake?
I'm not sure anyone's quite saying that, but I do think some people are not recognising the enormous pressure the stadium build must have put the club under, financially speaking. Long term re-financing was sorted in the summer so I now expect the club to continue increasing the amount of money it spends on transfers and wages (i.e. outgoings now known and fixed + income increased = more available for use in day to day business).
 

VancouverSpur

Well-Known Member
Aug 26, 2010
1,387
4,093
Levy runs the club based on how much money we have to spend. Simple. It's how any business should be run. They are not doing anything wrong. To say they are not ambitious is crazy. They have just built the best football stadium on the planet. Best training facilities. To build a club capable of sustained success, the infrastructure needs to be in place. It is now, we still have to pay for this billion pound stadium. At some point, we would have had to do all of the above. We still spent £100m+ In the summer, which is not too shabby considering. What fans like you are saying, is that we should be getting into debt of £400m or so as that is what it will cost to fund a title winning rebuild, because it would be debt. We do not have that money just lying around. Do you really want to put the clubs future at stake?
You miss my point entirely.I also did not say we are not ambitious . I am not saying Levy has not done a good job with the infrastructure of the club. I am saying just as Man City or Chelsea have owners who are prepared to pay insane amounts of money for players we do not operate that way. Should Joe Lewis decide to act that way he could and it would not be to the financial detriment of the club as he can afford to do it.

Now he won’t do that as we don’t operate that way and I am ok with that as he owns the club and can operate as he sees fit.My post was merely stating he could change the way he operates should he choose to and I would be cool with that also
 

riggi

Well-Known Member
Jun 24, 2008
48,565
104,991
Not really, what happens on he pitch determines the atmosphere in the stadium. No one pays their money to see turgid boring football & currently it would be great to see them play some football. When we have it's been in isolation, i.e. Dele's winner against Brighton, but we played very little football against either Norwich or Southampton.

As for Poch, the players might have been getting bored with training etc., one of the ways around this is to keep refreshing the squad which is something we didn't really do under Poch, so there were very few new faces to push those in the 1st team or create competition in training.

Or the whole ground rocking gets the players more motivated and part of going to football is for us to have a good time.

Atleast when we were properly shit we could have a laugh. Now it’s just dead.
 

Ronwol196061

Well-Known Member
Apr 9, 2018
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3,646
At the very least we should have been organized for this last one and ready. I mean did it look like we had any kind of plan? I'm willing to give JM a go but saw nothing but excuses from his post game presser and very little coherence on the field.
Increments of positivity gives you hope. But this game there was none
 

SugarRay

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Jul 6, 2011
7,984
11,110
You know he’d like nothing more than to dig in, let Liverpool have the ball, sit back and pinch it.

Problem is, he doesn’t have the players who could produce such a performance. This lot, being solid defensively? Means we might have to try and outscore them...:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Gonna get spanked.

I’m just bored of watching a boring team. Domestically, we have been so boring to watch for 12 months, generally speaking. Fuck the lot of them off give or take a handful. Getting sick of seeing them.
 

dagraham

Well-Known Member
Sep 20, 2005
19,146
46,140
It's easy to demand success when you have the spending power of a small country. And you SHOULD be demanding it. We are no less ambitious, we simply can't compete financially with 5 other clubs. I am stunned that sections of fans still can't grasp this simple fact. They think money just materializes out of thin air. I guaranty, if we went with their model of spending, we end up going bust, they will be the first in line to critisize the board for listening to the fans.

Well for me it’s not just about absolute numbers and total spend. Like a lot of things in life, timing is key. And imo our timing often stinks.

Basically, when it comes to the football side of things, we invest only when we have to, not when we should do.
 

spursfan77

Well-Known Member
Aug 13, 2005
46,684
104,964
To be fair though, we are playing the worst football since the 90's. We are absolutely diabolical on the pitch, I would say it's worse than the 90's. It's hardly suprising the crowd's not electric. I don't think it has anything to do with tourists. There are some, but there's not 10's of thousands. No team on planet earth would have a great atmosphere playing like us. No one. People praise 'Pools atmos, wasn't that long ago it was awful.

You’re right they aren’t all tourists usually but the seats all round me were sold to other fans by season ticket holders and these new fans didn’t sing at all. They obviously bought tickets there because it was the cheapest on Boxing Day but didn’t think they had to bother participating in any singing. Saying that, the usual ticket holders don’t make much more noise and just sit there like gullible sheep.

It’s true though, for 12 months the performances have dwindled away to what we have now. New players are the key. We all know it.
 

Wheeler Dealer

Well-Known Member
Jul 29, 2011
6,933
12,443
Hardly Jose's fault, when you consider the shower he walked into halfway through the season. There's 6, possibly even 7 teams that can realistically get top 4. We are never going to do it every year. Impossible.
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You miss my point entirely.I also did not say we are not ambitious . I am not saying Levy has not done a good job with the infrastructure of the club. I am saying just as Man City or Chelsea have owners who are prepared to pay insane amounts of money for players we do not operate that way. Should Joe Lewis decide to act that way he could and it would not be to the financial detriment of the club as he can afford to do it.

Now he won’t do that as we don’t operate that way and I am ok with that as he owns the club and can operate as he sees fit.My post was merely stating he could change the way he operates should he choose to and I would be cool with that also
I think it is highly unlikely that Levy and Lewis invest their own money into this club. They purchased it as an investment, not a money laundering vehicle that we see at City and Chelski.
 

Ronwol196061

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Apr 9, 2018
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You know he’d like nothing more than to dig in, let Liverpool have the ball, sit back and pinch it.

Problem is, he doesn’t have the players who could produce such a performance. This lot, being solid defensively? Means we might have to try and outscore them...:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Gonna get spanked.

I’m just bored of watching a boring team. Domestically, we have been so boring to watch for 12 months, generally speaking. Fuck the lot of them off give or take a handful. Getting sick of seeing them.

Poch didnt have a huge creative aspect to our game.Just a game of pressure.
We lost some of that but badly needed creativity.
We bought some but both Poch and JM have no idea how to get the best out of our creativity.
Ndombele at DM???????
 

SugarRay

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Jul 6, 2011
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11,110
I think it is highly unlikely that Levy and Lewis invest their own money into this club. They purchased it as an investment, not a money laundering vehicle that we see at City and Chelski.

Other than time, expertise and connections, they’ve actually invested very little in the club ( relatively speaking )
Turned £80m into over £2bn in twenty years. Not a bad investment. It’s what they do, being an investment group of course!
 

Ronwol196061

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Apr 9, 2018
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Other than time, expertise and connections, they’ve actually invested very little in the club ( relatively speaking )
Turned £80m into over £2bn in twenty years. Not a bad investment. It’s what they do, being an investment group of course!

They also could have lost their investment.
How many offers were on the table when they bought it?
We as fans could have been lumbered with much worse
Just sayin'
 
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