Jose Mourinho

[THOWIG]

He might be right and we may need to be pragmatic, the issue I have is with him saying it publicly.

The way he's been talking about us lately is not my idea of leadership - everything is basically saying we are short, we can't do it, it's not our fault. all of which may be true but it will not help to come out and say it to everyone!

It will never ever be his fault. He’s a genius of deflection and self promotion.

 

[muppetman]

Passing the baton?

 

[Gb160]

Or will levy chicken out and let the season end?

So showing a bit of patience is now 'chickening out'?
If you really think he's paying up Joses contract after a few months then you really haven't been paying attention.

 

[synththfc]

It's not mourinho's fault. It wasn't poch's fault. It won't be the next manager's fault. It's down to one person and the company he has part ownership in. Nothing will change.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

So showing a bit of patience is now 'chickening out'?
If you really think he's paying up Joses contract after a a few months then you really haven't been paying attention.

If we lose 7 on the bounce, crashing out of FA Cup and Cl playing terrible football you don't think he'd deserve the sack? This has nothing to do with Poch.

 

[VancouverSpur]

Sitting back and treating Norwich like they were Brazil in the 70’s was mind blowing. As soon as we put any pressure on them on the last 10mins or so we so you could see they were there for the taking .

Mourinhos tactics are from the dark ages right now

 

[mpickard2087]

I'm just going to post what I wrote in the match thread post game:



As I said at the end of 90 minutes, you can argue that it was only 1-1 due to a dodgy bit of goalkeeping but we came out for the second half and didn't even attempt to play any football. It was just negative, sit behind the ball, try and nurse our way to the 1-0 win.

That is just a massive gamble, a dangerous game to play at the best of times, and quite frankly if teams do that with so long left on the clock then they deserve to be bitten on the arse.

I also just don't see how that approach will work with the current group, keep trying it and it will keep failing. To sit and soak up pressure (sometimes to the extreme) you need outstanding pure defenders, a rock solid back four + cm2 plus also probably a couple of decent 'defensive' dependable sacrificial wide players to make two banks of four.

We don't have that, we have Aurier whose instinct is to attack, Sanchez not quite there ye but the best option, Dier trying to remember how to play at centre back, rookie Foyth, rookie Tanganga, decrepit Jan, decrepit Toby, one-paced Davies, rookie Sessegnon, absolutely no central midfielders who can sit and screen a defence really, rookie Skipp being the closest to it, and then people like Moura, Lamela, Son, Alli, Bergwijn who either don't have the temperament, smarts, or physical ability to protect a flank.

If Mourinho wants to play this way long term then no one is going to stop him, but at the moment he is just shoehorning a group of players into tactics they just aren't suited to and he previously employed with high quality, usually ultra experienced, low error count, out and out defensive players and had a rock solid platform. It might be different when he gets to mould the squad in his image but until then this approach will fail more often than not. For the rest of the season we may as well just go for it and take the game to teams, that wont solve all the problems and indeed might not work, as we saw at the weekend, but it's closer to the strengths of what we presently have than trying to sit and soak up pressure.

 

[Gb160]

If we lose 7 on the bounce, crashing out of FA Cup and Cl playing terrible football you don't think he'd deserve the sack? This has nothing to do with Poch.

Nope he shouldn't.
As long as we don't get relegated (which is impossible now?) he should (and I'd bet will) be given the summer window and see where we are come Xmas.
Anything else is just short termism.

 

[Wsussexspur]

If we lose 7 on the bounce, crashing out of FA Cup and Cl playing terrible football you don't think he'd deserve the sack? This has nothing to do with Poch.

I was just thinking that.. I wonder how bad things would have to get for Levy to seriously consider sacking Jose... I mean I look at our next 4/5 fixtures and am struggling to see where a win is going to come from.

but as I said the other day it would an hugely expensive pr disaster to sack him before least giving him backing in the summer and next season to turn this embarrassing shower of shit around

 

[rossdapep]

I'm just going to post what I wrote in the match thread post game:



As I said at the end of 90 minutes, you can argue that it was only 1-1 due to a dodgy bit of goalkeeping but we came out for the second half and didn't even attempt to play any football. It was just negative, sit behind the ball, try and nurse our way to the 1-0 win.

That is just a massive gamble, a dangerous game to play at the best of times, and quite frankly if teams do that with so long left on the clock then they deserve to be bitten on the arse.

I also just don't see how that approach will work with the current group, keep trying it and it will keep failing. To sit and soak up pressure (sometimes to the extreme) you need outstanding pure defenders, a rock solid back four + cm2 plus also probably a couple of decent 'defensive' dependable sacrificial wide players to make two banks of four.

We don't have that, we have Aurier whose instinct is to attack, Sanchez not quite there ye but the best option, Dier trying to remember how to play at centre back, rookie Foyth, rookie Tanganga, decrepit Jan, decrepit Toby, one-paced Davies, rookie Sessegnon, absolutely no central midfielders who can sit and screen a defence really, rookie Skipp being the closest to it, and then people like Moura, Lamela, Son, Alli, Bergwijn who either don't have the temperament, smarts, or physical ability to protect a flank.

If Mourinho wants to play this way long term then no one is going to stop him, but at the moment he is just shoehorning a group of players into tactics they just aren't suited to and he previously employed with high quality, usually ultra experienced, low error count, out and out defensive players and had a rock solid platform. It might be different when he gets to mould the squad in his image but until then this approach will fail more often than not. For the rest of the season we may as well just go for it and take the game to teams, that wont solve all the problems and indeed might not work, as we saw at the weekend, but it's closer to the strengths of what we presently have than trying to sit and soak up pressure.

Now that we're out of the cup I agree. Nothing to lose now and we ain't getting 4th/5th by playing like we did tonight.

Roll the dice.

 

[VancouverSpur]

Nope he shouldn't.
As long as we don't get relegated (which is impossible now?) he should (and I'd bet will) be given the summer window and see where we are come Xmas.
Anything else is just short termism.

Yep...Levy has had a hard on for Mourinho forever and it ain’t going limp anytime soon.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

Nope he shouldn't.
As long as we don't get relegated (which is impossible now?) he should (and I'd bet will) be given the summer window and see where we are come Xmas.
Anything else is just short termism.

The appointment of Mourinho was purely short termism?

He’s not along term builder with progressive ideas.

Why would another bit of short termism be so bad.

 

[Wsussexspur]

Nope he shouldn't.
As long as we don't get relegated (which is impossible now?) he should (and I'd bet will) be given the summer window and see where we are come Xmas.
Anything else is just short termism.

but Isn’t appointing jose the biggest form of shot termism.just look at his record normallythree seasons at a club then he leAves with it in a giant mess

 

[rossdapep]

I was just thinking that.. I wonder how bad things would have to get for Levy to seriously consider sacking Jose... I mean I look at our next 4/5 fixtures and am struggling to see where a win is going to come from.

but as I said the other day it would an hugely expensive pr disaster to sack him before least giving him backing in the summer and next season to turn this embarrassing shower of shit around

Only way I could see it is if we barely picked up another point and some of the players aired views about him to agents/club then Jose started to get whiny.

But I don't think it'll quite get that bad. We'll pick up 10 or so points, miss CL places and it'll be move on to the summer rebuild.

 

[kaz Hirai]

I was just thinking that.. I wonder how bad things would have to get for Levy to seriously consider sacking Jose... I mean I look at our next 4/5 fixtures and am struggling to see where a win is going to come from.

but as I said the other day it would an hugely expensive pr disaster to sack him before least giving him backing in the summer and next season to turn this embarrassing shower of shit around

Zero chance he gets sacked this season. It would make levy look so stupid and the club utterly amateur.
It will get so much worse though, it's gonna be real toxic when we play arsenal

 

[Gb160]

Yep...Levy has had a hard on for Mourinho forever and it ain’t going limp anytime soon.

That, and he'd be fucking stupid to.

I get that fans are pissed off but its just typical fan like emotion..'this aint working after 4 months lets fuck this guy off and get someone else in.'
Levy is much more calculating than your average fan.

 

[riggi]

Yep...Levy has had a hard on for Mourinho forever and it ain’t going limp anytime soon.

It will do soon. Once Jose calls him out on Transfers..

 

[Misfit]

Nope he shouldn't.
As long as we don't get relegated (which is impossible now?) he should (and I'd bet will) be given the summer window and see where we are come Xmas.
Anything else is just short termism.

Yep. DL has to see this out. At least give it a chance. Not balls out backing Poch way back when was the choice and mistake (whatever, I'm not re-litigating anything here) and this is the consequence. There's no avoiding the mistake already made but let's make sure this attempt at addressing it has no upside first before making yet another attempt.

DL has managed to get himself taken off my Xmas card list though, let me tell you that!

 

[Gb160]

but Isn’t appointing jose the biggest form of shot termism.just look at his record normallythree seasons at a club then he leAves with it in a giant mess

People need to stop with all idea that a manager will come in and do a Fergie/Wenger...it just doesn't happen anymore, I might be wrong but 3 years is probably about average for any PL manager to be in a job.
And this stuff about leaving clubs in a mess is pretty daft as well...any examples?

 

[riggi]

It will do soon. Once Jose calls him out on Transfers..

So it begins..