Jose Mourinho

[-Afri-Coy-]

Do you really see it like that? Look at Jose’s spending at United, with that backing he failed miserably, look at the played who Jose bought? He bought none of the 3 you mention. For every Smalling,Valencia and Fellini, there is a Sanchez, Lukaku, Matic, Mkhitaryan, Dalot,

Signings aside, do you think that the United team that won the EL had more quality in each position than we have now? Assuming every players is having the game of their lives. I think maybe two of those players make it into our squad under those circumstances.

They just bought into the idea, even though it was for very little time, they bought into it and won two cups.

 

[Donki]

I would give you Valencia at a push but -

Smalling or Toby?
Fellani or Lamela?

I know which options I’d pick if we were choosing them all based off a really good performance. The point is we have the quality there, but for some reason all the players seem to be giving up or not putting in the effort.

lol ur comparing Lamela to Fellani? Seriously? Totally different positions and styles.

Smalling and Toby? Is close, but Smalling is a good player, who is dominating in Italy and Toby, sadly is a shell of the player 2 years ago.

 

[wrd]

I also look at Craig Dawson at the back for them - no I don't think Jose or the board would have considered him any more than us as fans would have wanted him but he has been the glue along with a couple of really sound signings (full back etc) have pulled the rearguard of that squad together. We always all point toward VVD and Liverpool - can't over look what Moyes has done there - something we failed to do in the summer.

If he doesn't stopped with this unforced rotation at the back when he can then we're most likely going to keep repeating the shit we're seeing back there combined with the brain farts that come from the same players on a regular basis - he should be finding that settled back four and getting them to do more. I agree there are facets where he really, truly, isn't getting the best out of some.

When PEH stops running around, then I'll know the players have stopped playing for him.

I'll tell you what I find interesting about the summer, first of all I'll give you credit because a lot of us were excited about the summer window (myself included), you were not happy that we got the business done and kudos to you for being correct on that assertion, I also remember people giving you shit in a thread for a post made after the everton loss and people attacking it weeks later (I defended you there so kudos to me )

However, one of the things that Poch got a lot of shit for was being absolutely adamant he didn't want to settle for any old shit, he got a lot of flack for being stubborn, conversely Jose was given credit for being flexible and open to more signings and being more adaptable. However that hasn't really worked has it, because we're now seeing a situation where only 2 of the signings have objectively worked out; Hojbjerg and Reguilon, Doherty has been terrible and Bale, Rodon and Vinicius all seem to struggle to get many minutes whatsoever (though Bale is turning the corner). I guess it's one of those where we need to be careful what we wish for because we were happy that a manager was finally making signings but now it simply has not worked out thus far.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Do you really see it like that? Look at Jose’s spending at United, with that backing he failed miserably, look at the played who Jose bought? He bought none of the 3 you mention. For every Smalling,Valencia and Fellini, there is a Sanchez, Lukaku, Matic, Mkhitaryan, Dalot,

That wasn't my point, was it?

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

lol ur comparing Lamela to Fellani? Seriously? Totally different positions and styles.

Smalling and Toby? Is close, but Smalling is a good player, who is dominating in Italy and Toby, sadly is a shell of the player 2 years ago.

I think my second reply to your other post gets my point across better

 

[kishman]

Jose still has a chance of winning two trophies. Until we're out of both, Levy won't sack Jose. He idolises the guy.

 

[anydange]

Jesus Christ...

 

[dtxspurs]

West Ham did to us what we did to City earlier in the season - thing is some here couldn't celebrate that at the time and now the low block and hit on the break/when the other team makes a mistake is also a thing of derision on here. Hence why I dig my heels in with some peoples views ...

I don't think there were people who weren't celebrating when we were top of the league. The issue was that we started dropping points feverishly using those same tactics against lesser opponents. No one was complaining with the bus against Liverpool, United, City, Chelsea, Arsenal. It was against bottom half teams where we allowed them to dominate us was when people started getting pissed.

But there also was the case of people realizing that if you continue to play mostly crap football its going to catch up with you eventually. Its just like the Summer of 18. It always catches up to you.

As Ally Gold had said so many times the defend & counter is a great plan B when its needed. But when its your only plan you're in trouble.

 

[Metalhead]

I'll tell you what I find interesting about the summer, first of all I'll give you credit because a lot of us were excited about the summer window (myself included), you were not happy that we got the business done and kudos to you for being correct on that assertion, I also remember people giving you shit in a thread for a post made after the everton loss and people attacking it weeks later (I defended you there so kudos to me )

However, one of the things that Poch got a lot of shit for was being absolutely adamant he didn't want to settle for any old shit, he got a lot of flack for being stubborn, conversely Jose was given credit for being flexible and open to more signings and being more adaptable. However that hasn't really worked has it, because we're now seeing a situation where only 2 of the signings have objectively worked out; Hojbjerg and Reguilon, Doherty has been terrible and Bale, Rodon and Vinicius all seem to struggle to get many minutes whatsoever (though Bale is turning the corner). I guess it's one of those where we need to be careful what we wish for because we were happy that a manager was finally making signings but now it simply has not worked out thus far.

Tricky one because if Jose had started complaining about signings I'm pretty sure that plenty of people would have said' "here we go, Jose's moaning already..."

 

[spursfan77]

Taken one for the team and taken Kane out my fantasy team. I can’t precisely remember but our awful downturn in form could of coincided with me putting him in. Let’s see if it helps going forward. If it does, you can thank me.

 

[Donki]

Signings aside, do you think that the United team that won the EL had more quality in each position than we have now? Assuming every players is having the game of their lives. I think maybe two of those players make it into our squad under those circumstances.

They just bought into the idea, even though it has was for very little time, they bought into it and won two cups.

They bought it it he idea? Where did they end up in the league? Jose Sacrificed the league for the EL CUP. Do you recal the draw they had from QF to Final?

 

[double0]

Let's get it right Mourinho is a top manager his done it globally. LEVY sacked Poch for a man who knows how to win but hasn't given him tools. Poch got the maximum out of limited players who unfortunately are still around. Levy clearly gambled with Mourinho thinking he could get a turn from the squad but this was always going to happen... Mourinho is used to managing better quality and buying the best and let's be real once again LEVY wants things on the cheap [stadium training ground aside]

 

[wrd]

Tricky one because if Jose had started complaining about signings I'm pretty sure that plenty of people would have said' "here we go, Jose's moaning already..."

Exactly, it's not black and white and I hope my post doesn't come across as saying there's a right and wrong way or blaming anyone, I'm just looking at the situation and thinking we shouldn't rush to judgement.

 

[Donki]

That wasn't my point, was it?

then I dint know what was.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Jose now has the lowest league win % of any Spurs manager since Juande Ramos.

 

[DiVaio]

Lloris - not in top 6 keepers in the league imo

Aurier - not a title winning defender, not even close

Lloris is still one of the best shot stopper in the league.

About Aurier - look at fullbacks winning the league since Leicester. Trent, Robertson, Walker are much better, but players like Moses, Alonso, Zinchenko and Leicester fullbacks aren't.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

I'll tell you what I find interesting about the summer, first of all I'll give you credit because a lot of us were excited about the summer window (myself included), you were not happy that we got the business done and kudos to you for being correct on that assertion, I also remember people giving you shit in a thread for a post made after the everton loss and people attacking it weeks later (I defended you there so kudos to me )

However, one of the things that Poch got a lot of shit for was being absolutely adamant he didn't want to settle for any old shit, he got a lot of flack for being stubborn, conversely Jose was given credit for being flexible and open to more signings and being more adaptable. However that hasn't really worked has it, because we're now seeing a situation where only 2 of the signings have objectively worked out; Hojbjerg and Reguilon, Doherty has been terrible and Bale, Rodon and Vinicius all seem to struggle to get many minutes whatsoever (though Bale is turning the corner). I guess it's one of those where we need to be careful what we wish for because we were happy that a manager was finally making signings but now it simply has not worked out thus far.

On that first para - Check us out, eh?

On the second part, and this may also allude to what Donki is on about - on when managers spend or request players (with the caveat of being flexible in some situations) then it's feasable to have doubts. As you say only two of our summer signings look much cop and the rest have either looked really poor, or not been offered enough chance to impact on the squad as a whole.

Again I think in this instance you could proportion blame on all involved. As this is Mourinho's thread, his lack of trust in some of the newer players is another of his pitfalls.

At the same time people might say to me we'll never know the full story because we're not privy to all that goes on (purely as a matter of balance)

 

[lami]

Come on ITK, tell us that there's been an emergency meeting set up by the board and Jose is on his way out!!!

Even if you just pretend, it will lift my spirits ?

 

[Donki]

Jose now has the lowest league win % of any Spurs manager since Juande Ramos.

Nailed on League Cup for us!

 

[Deleted member 27995]

then I dint know what was.

You clearly did as ever you've weighed in on a subject and automatically twisted the point away from the one I made which was turd players buying into what the manager wants.

You've then turned it into the money he spent on players (in some cases those players performed - at least two in your list) ....

Think before you type, eh, there's a good Donki.