Juventus In for Rose

[Cinemattis]

You can't really argue that though Rose's best days are behind him, even the 2nd half of last season he didn't reach the levels of 2015/16 and before he got injured in Jan 2017.

Comparing anyone to Ronaldo is a bit silly, the guy is an absolute freak, most players who rely on their athleticism decline in their latter years.

Anyone would agree that Rose had a fantastic season in 15/16 - it was the perfect fullback/wingback season for Spurs.

I would argue that our team as a whole didn´t function as well last year as we did a few years ago. Bale a side, it is extremely difficult for one single player to have a perfect or optimal performance if the team is just slightly misfiring. It is a team sport after all. The irony is of course that we still reached a CL final and ended up in the top 4 (yet another big thank you to our opponents that foobar´ed the final of the league season more than us).

I cannot guarantee or claim with certainty that Rose has his best seasons ahead of him. But neither can anyone on the opposite: who knows anything about the future for certain? There are so many factors that will decide the outcome.

* The physical part of it: if a player has recovered after injury as close to a 100% that is possible and trains, rests, eats correctly and takes care of his body - I´ve worked with so many top athletes that I know this can be done.​

* The mental part of it: is the athelete up for it (put simply). From a totally outside point of view, to me, it seems Rose had a couple of tough years. At the same time it seems to me that he has turned a corner so to speak. His intensity and fighting spirit was definitely back to old levels - which is highly important. The big question mark is really if last spring was a rejuvinated Rose or his last effort? Is he willing to do the work that is required? Only he has the answer to that.​

* Team tactics, coach plans, etc: no player is an island. Every player is one single part of a larger machinery - Rose and Walker (and Davies and Tripps as the backups) had the perfect wingback season for Spurs a few seasons ago. The team tactics have changed slighly since that. Is that because it is a willed change in tactics, or is it because the players (all four of them) have been unable to reach the same levels? The team´s results are more important than the percieved individual performance: even Harry Kane would (most likely) change one of his golden boots for a league winner´s medal. I´m certain Poch and his coaching team thinks like that.​

I belive Rose can be a top player for several years to come. But: it is up to him. It seems like the club have an open dialogue with him; they are willing to let him look at different options, as well as they are happy to sign hin on a new contract if he decides to stay. Maybe they see that this is the way to treat a person like Rose to get the best from him? Good and sound (and modern) employee handling.

I disagree to the matter-of-factly statement that implies that it´s widely recognised that Danny Rose is finished as a top player and on a decline. If you agree to this statement, then we´ll just have to agree to respectfully disagree.

On a note:
C. Ronaldo is the only one you comment on of the many athletes I mention. It seems to me your missing my point. And though CR is popularily labeled a "freak", his game has changed quite drastically since his days in ManUtd when he was bombing up and down the flanks. A somewhat similar and long lasting career and a model for players taking care of their body (if not their personal lives) was Ryan Giggs.

 

[Shadydan]

Anyone would agree that Rose had a fantastic season in 15/16 - it was the perfect fullback/wingback season for Spurs.

I would argue that our team as a whole didn´t function as well last year as we did a few years ago. Bale a side, it is extremely difficult for one single player to have a perfect or optimal performance if the team is just slightly misfiring. It is a team sport after all. The irony is of course that we still reached a CL final and ended up in the top 4 (yet another big thank you to our opponents that foobar´ed the final of the league season more than us).

I cannot guarantee or claim with certainty that Rose has his best seasons ahead of him. But neither can anyone on the opposite: who knows anything about the future for certain? There are so many factors that will decide the outcome.

* The physical part of it: if a player has recovered after injury as close to a 100% that is possible and trains, rests, eats correctly and takes care of his body - I´ve worked with so many top athletes that I know this can be done.​

* The mental part of it: is the athelete up for it (put simply). From a totally outside point of view, to me, it seems Rose had a couple of tough years. At the same time it seems to me that he has turned a corner so to speak. His intensity and fighting spirit was definitely back to old levels - which is highly important. The big question mark is really if last spring was a rejuvinated Rose or his last effort? Is he willing to do the work that is required? Only he has the answer to that.​

* Team tactics, coach plans, etc: no player is an island. Every player is one single part of a larger machinery - Rose and Walker (and Davies and Tripps as the backups) had the perfect wingback season for Spurs a few seasons ago. The team tactics have changed slighly since that. Is that because it is a willed change in tactics, or is it because the players (all four of them) have been unable to reach the same levels? The team´s results are more important than the percieved individual performance: even Harry Kane would (most likely) change one of his golden boots for a league winner´s medal. I´m certain Poch and his coaching team thinks like that.​

I belive Rose can be a top player for several years to come. But: it is up to him. It seems like the club have an open dialogue with him; they are willing to let him look at different options, as well as they are happy to sign hin on a new contract if he decides to stay. Maybe they see that this is the way to treat a person like Rose to get the best from him? Good and sound (and modern) employee handling.

I disagree to the matter-of-factly statement that implies that it´s widely recognised that Danny Rose is finished as a top player and on a decline. If you agree to this statement, then we´ll just have to agree to respectfully disagree.

On a note:
C. Ronaldo is the only one you comment on of the many athletes I mention. It seems to me your missing my point. And though CR is popularily labeled a "freak", his game has changed quite drastically since his days in ManUtd when he was bombing up and down the flanks. A somewhat similar and long lasting career and a model for players taking care of their body (if not their personal lives) was Ryan Giggs.

Okay dude look I'm not getting into a back a fourth with you over this, it's really not that deep

What I will say is that the club seem to think that his best days are behind him hence why they are allowing them to leave, if that wasn't the case then like Vertonghen they would allow him to stay and upgrade his contract, the author may well agree with the club and think there's little chance of him improving - I'm sure Rose can be if he puts his mind to it and if everything goes for him he can improve but I think there's more chance of a decline.

Also on your point about some superstars improving with age, you can only really count a select few because it's rare, Tom Brady, Roger Federer, I literally can reel of a list of names of athletes who declined with age but I don't need to - this is just down to simple genetics and logic.

 

[Cinemattis]

Okay dude look I'm not getting into a back a fourth with you over this, it's really not that deep

What I will say is that the club seem to think that his best days are behind him hence why they are allowing them to leave, if that wasn't the case then like Vertonghen they would allow him to stay and upgrade his contract, the author may well agree with the club and think there's little chance of him improving - I'm sure Rose can be if he puts his mind to it and if everything goes for him he can improve but I think there's more chance of a decline.

Also on your point about some superstars improving with age, you can only really count a select few because it's rare, Tom Brady, Roger Federer, I literally can reel of a list of names of athletes who declined with age but I don't need to - this is just down to simple genetics and logic.

I think we just see the club´s position and how they´re dealing with the player slightly differently. I got the understanding that the club have offered/will offer a new contract to Rose if he decides to stay. I might have misunderstood the information, and/or the sources might be in the wrong.

Either way: thanks for the discussion. Always interesting to debate with people with differing standpoints in a respectful manner. COYS!

 

[mawspurs]

I get the impression that he'd like to go and Poch has said i won't stand in your way. Rose has said for a while he'd like to move back closer to his family. Which is why Juventus as an option is a surprise.