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[UpTownSpur]

We missed him against City, which I know you disagree with. As for the rest of the games, when we come up against the big teams he is crucial.
What are the similarities with Bentaleb, who is still a Spurs player even if he's on loan?

1) Both used the media to say they wanted new contracts, although Lamela was no where near as crass as Bentaleb.
2) Both started the season poorly, giving away possession that led to game changing goals.
3) Both suffered long term injuries and then players came in and out performed them. There's no way Lamela's getting straight back into the team ahead of the likes of Son, for example.

For all these reasons I think Lamela will follow Bentaleb out of the club in the Summer.

 

[Sweetsman]

1) Both used the media to say they wanted new contracts, although Lamela was no where near as crass as Bentaleb.
2) Both started the season poorly, giving away possession that led to game changing goals.
3) Both suffered long term injuries and then players came in and out performed them. There's no way Lamela's getting straight back into the team ahead of the likes of Son, for example.

For all these reasons I think Lamela will follow Bentaleb out of the club in the Summer.

I'm afraid the basis for your argument is paper-thin.

 

[UpTownSpur]

I'm afraid the basis for your argument is paper-thin.

How do you explain the contract situation then? Lamela's the only player Poch hasn't personally authorised a contract for and he's still on the same one he signed under AVB. Poch uses improved contracts as a sign of faith in a player. He's saying "you're my man and I see you as an integral part of my plans".

How you can rationally explain this other than Lamela is not part of Poch's long term plans?

 

[Sweetsman]

How do you explain the contract situation then? Lamela's the only player Poch hasn't personally authorised a contract for and he's still on the same one he signed under AVB. Poch uses improved contracts as a sign of faith in a player. He's saying "you're my man and I see you as an integral part of my plans".

How you can rationally explain this other than Lamela is not part of Poch's long term plans?

Contract negotiations don't mean a hill of beans apart from money: Lamela may wish to have parity and he is fully deserving of it. Furthermore, the club may have thought it crass to discuss contracts when he had other issues to deal with.

 

[guiltyparty]

Has form for what? Where's this talk of leaving coming from? All this article is, is Poch saying he's coming back and he hopes he'll be getting fit again soon.

You come in make accusations as though he's angling for a move and get rightly negged for it and don't understand why?

Accusations? Where did I do that? I didn't say he was angling for a move either - I said he has form, meaning he went back to Roma before to recover from an injury, it's not a one-off.

The comment in question: "Yeah I was quite defensive of the whole thing to start with, worked before etc. But it's been ages, and it seems Poch is getting slightly more irritated as the time goes on. With the facilities we now have, the only reason he surely needs to go back to Rome is psychological"

1. It has been over three months, with no real updates.
2. Poch, I believe, is getting more and more exasperated.

Poch on Lamela before him heading off: "He needs to change the atmosphere a little bit. He had a small problem in his hip with a tiny muscle and the situation didn't get fixed. Then he had a problem with his family. It stopped the process. He went there, came back and he was still complaining about this situation in the same area. It has taken him so long to get back from a simple injury. And we agreed to send him somewhere else. He decides a good place to go is Rome. A different city, people who he knows."

Poch on Lamela before the scan: "It’s difficult to give a time to say when he will come back. There are still some problems. We need to wait and see, but we are now starting to be concerned. It is nearly three months and we have not moved on."

Poch on Lamela after scan: "We will expect that Lamela will be here. The last scan in Roma showed there was no issue, there is still pain in his hip joint but now it is important to meet us and stay here with the group and push him to keep his fitness and achieve the level of the team and be available as soon as possible."

That sounds very much that, after much understanding about something he considers fairly inconsequential in the first place, a negative scan has shifted Poch's mindset from one of patience to one of proactiveness. I could be completely wrong, but I think that's a fair reading of those quotes, from our manager.

Sorry, this is really weird, I'm a big Lamela fan, and agree me miss him loads at the moment. Had no intention of denigrating the guy, it's just a frustrating situation, and a situation that Poch, to me, seems increasingly frustrated by. I find it baffling that that isn't fairly obvious.

 

[jezz]

How do you explain the contract situation then? Lamela's the only player Poch hasn't personally authorised a contract for and he's still on the same one he signed under AVB. Poch uses improved contracts as a sign of faith in a player. He's saying "you're my man and I see you as an integral part of my plans".

How you can rationally explain this other than Lamela is not part of Poch's long term plans?

Lamelas contract has an option to extend.
Which i think has been triggered.
Anything else?

 

[Cinemattis]

I'd say that for any player in Lamela's position. I just think there's something else going on, the lack of any new contract may have something to do with it. I think we can all agree on two things 1) The goings on with Lamela have been unusual 2) we have not missed him.

There seems a lot of similarities with Bentaleb and I personally think it's very unlikely he'll be here next season. But if he can make a contribution to this one, great.

Sorry to disappoint you, mate, but I´ve really missed him. The Lamela of last season and the beginning of this would´ve helped the team secure more points if he´d stayed healthy this whole season. My opinion - and I guess we disagree.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

How do you explain the contract situation then? Lamela's the only player Poch hasn't personally authorised a contract for and he's still on the same one he signed under AVB. Poch uses improved contracts as a sign of faith in a player. He's saying "you're my man and I see you as an integral part of my plans".

How you can rationally explain this other than Lamela is not part of Poch's long term plans?

My take on this is that it has to do with Lamela's body-type and fitness issues, not his football.

This is at least the second time, perhaps the third, that he has taken months to recover from what was thought to be a short-term injury. There is no evidence in his personality nor his footballing style that he is a malingerer.

Some people take ages to heal and are prone to long-term pain from injuries and scar tissue. Some people take tackle after tackle and bounce right up and, when they do get injured, they heal up in a couple weeks and return, pain-free. If Lamela hasn't got a new contract, that may well be because there are lingering doubts about his physical reliability.

I take the view that this is a far more common reason behind players' unpredictable absences than all of the press-invented contractual games or rumours of discontent.

Football is hard on the body and some bodies are more resilient than others.

Incidentally, I also think this is the reason why Eriksen pulls out of hard tackles and aerial challenges. He knows his physique can't take it. So he's taught himself to press and harry instead.

 

[UpTownSpur]

My take on this is that it has to do with Lamela's body-type and fitness issues, not his football.

This is at least the second time, perhaps the third, that he has taken months to recover from what was thought to be a short-term injury. There is no evidence in his personality nor his footballing style that he is a malingerer.

Some people take ages to heal and are prone to long-term pain from injuries and scar tissue. Some people take tackle after tackle and bounce right up and, when they do get injured, they heal up in a couple weeks and return, pain-free. If Lamela hasn't got a new contract, that may well be because there are lingering doubts about his physical reliability.

I take the view that this is a far more common reason behind players' unpredictable absences than all of the press-invented contractual games or rumours of discontent.

Football is hard on the body and some bodies are more resilient than others.

Incidentally, I also think this is the reason why Eriksen pulls out of hard tackles and aerial challenges. He knows his physique can't take it. So he's taught himself to press and harry instead.

I think that's clutching at straws a bit. The simple truth, in my opinion, is that Poch doesn't rate him as highly as the likes of Kane, Alli, Eriksen and others, who've all been given lengthy new contracts. He also repeatedly gives gushing praise to them, when does he ever do that about Lamela? And many of his recent signings have been in Lamela's position, such as Sissoko. I'm so confident that Lamela will be moved on in the Summer that I'll agree to let the moderators change my username to "I'm an idiot" if he isn't.